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voice

This is a male or female voice ? 198.105.116.225 (talk) 22:36, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

It sounds too deep for a female (unless done intentionally), which means that I am quite confident that it is a male voice. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

forest

You hear [ˈfɔɹɪst] or [ˈfɔɹɛst] in Media:En-us-forest.ogg ? 198.105.124.114 (talk) 23:23, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I hear it closer to the former, but I pronounce it as the latter myself. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:39, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

package

You hear [ˈpʰakɪd͡ʒ] or [ˈpʰakɛd͡ʒ] ? 198.105.121.22 (talk) 20:14, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I hear it more so as the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:09, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

ver

You hear [vɛːʁ], [væːʁ] or [vaɛ̯ʁ] ? 198.105.121.22 (talk) 00:52, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as the one in the middle. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

living-room

You hear "living room" or "living hoom" ? 198.105.121.22 (talk) 19:11, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:55, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

feit

You have heard "fate" or "fight" ? 198.105.102.18 (talk) 12:56, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I hear the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 21:18, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Hồ Chí Minh

You hear [ho t͡ɕɪj mɪn] or [ho t͡ɕɪj mən] ? 198.105.108.79 (talk) 23:44, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:12, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

pen

You hear [pɛn] or [pɪn] ? 198.105.101.45 (talk) 20:30, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 22:41, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

May 2013

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Your accent

You pronounce /ˈmaʊnteɪn/ for the word mountain, because your parents pronounce like this ? 198.105.102.214 (talk) 15:20, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes I do and my parents do as well. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

This pronunciation doesn't exist, the right pronunciation is /ˈmaʊntən/. 198.105.102.214 (talk) 10:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:07, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Your parents have mispronounced some English word. Does your teacher pronounces /ˈmaʊntən/ ? 198.105.102.214 (talk) 21:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

You pronounce [fɔɹ] or [fɔ] for the word four ? 198.105.102.214 (talk) 11:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I pronounce it as the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:42, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Why your parents have mispronounced some words ? 198.105.120.22 (talk) 06:23, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Their first language is not English. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:21, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Do you know the word chicken in Cantonese ? 198.105.120.22 (talk) 18:05, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

No, but I believe that it is gai1 (using the Yale transliteration). I had to use Wiktionary. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:59, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

hiver

  • France :
  • Quebec :

What is the difference ? 198.105.114.8 (talk) 11:40, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

The Quebec one rhymes with shiver. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:35, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

tempête

This pronunciation rhymes with wait or right ? 198.105.121.55 (talk) 10:43, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

It rhymes with right. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:16, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I think it rhymes with wait, no ? 198.105.120.38 (talk) 17:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

The linked sound file rhymes with right. The other sound file (not here) is the one you were looking for. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:05, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
  • 1 :
  • 2 :

Do you hear the difference ? 198.105.117.189 (talk) 00:35, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

The first is accented on the first syllable, while the second is accented on the second syllable. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:57, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

The first audio rhymes with right and the second audio rhymes with late, isn't it ? 198.105.117.189 (talk) 01:16, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Actually, both rhyme with right. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:12, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Do you think the first audio is [tãpaɪ̯t] and the second audio is [tãpɐɪ̯t] ? 198.105.100.72 (talk) 11:01, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

lézard

  • France :
  • Quebec :

What is the difference ? 198.105.127.178 (talk) 12:11, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

The Metropolitan French pronunciation is pronounced lizar, while the Quebec pronunciation is pronounced layzar (closer to the spelling). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:24, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

key

Do you think this two songs have a different key ? 198.105.106.194 (talk) 01:06, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, they do. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:06, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Do you know the name of the key ? 198.105.106.194 (talk) 12:00, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Video 1 is in G Major, while Video 2 is in F Major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:07, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Do you think the video 1 is in G-flat major ? 198.105.106.194 (talk) 13:55, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

I listened to it a few more times and it is rather halfway between G♭ major and G major, which can be hard to tell, given that Linda is a Cantopop song, not a classical composition (or classical-style even). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:22, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Do you think the video 2 is between F major and G-flat major ? 198.105.106.194 (talk) 10:38, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I believe so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:16, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Is there a name for this key ? 198.105.106.194 (talk) 06:10, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

In fact, there is no widely accepted name (other than "the key between F major and G♭ major" for example). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:29, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

How to make this key ? 198.105.108.51 (talk) 21:32, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Take existing music and use Audacity (audio editor). Select all, then go to the Effects menu and select change pitch. When you change pitch, notice that you can change the key of the music. To create keys halfway between the "standard" keys, find what is halfway between the current key and one semitone above it. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:21, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

This two songs have this key too. 198.105.108.51 (talk) 11:13, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

How do musicians do this key with a keyboard instrument ? 198.105.127.231 (talk) 11:32, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

They tune them through post-processing. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:09, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

fight and fête

  • fight :
  • fête (Quebec accent) :

Do you hear a different ? 198.105.110.206 (talk) 10:49, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

The /t/ is different ? 198.105.96.233 (talk) 01:16, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

The /t/ is very much the same. However, the standard English "fight" has a shorter vowel length (timewise) than the Quebec French fête. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:42, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

all right

You hear [ˈɔɫ ˌɹaɪt] or [ˈɔɫ ˌɹɛːt] ? 198.105.105.154 (talk) 22:05, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

This pronunciation is strange, isn't it ? 198.105.106.239 (talk) 11:10, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

No doubt about it. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:02, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

頭髮亂了

This song is in F major or G-flat major ? 198.105.112.191 (talk) 14:59, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

It is closer to G♭ major than it is to F major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:19, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

tight and tête

  • tight :
  • tête :

Do you hear a difference ? 198.105.126.179 (talk) 01:02, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Same with my response to the "fight" and "fête" one. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

The first t is different ? 198.105.126.179 (talk) 10:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is. The first "t" in English is spoken with more force than in French. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:07, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

caisse

The word is pronounced [kɛːs] or [kaɪ̯s] in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN2XEbsKJME ? 198.105.113.227 (talk) 20:12, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

It is pronounced as the former, sounding like the English word "case." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:26, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Washington

You hear /waʃiŋtɔn/ or /waʃiŋtən/ ? 198.105.123.19 (talk) 22:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Neither. I hear it as /waʃiŋtənə/ (with an extra schwa at the end). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:07, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

brun

  • France :
  • Quebec :

Do you hear the difference ? 198.105.96.53 (talk) 23:06, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes I do. The Quebec one has a trilled "r". Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:35, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Is the /œ̃/ different ? 198.105.96.53 (talk) 11:13, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

They are both similar. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:20, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

The French pronunciation is [bʁæ̃] and the Quebec pronunciation is [bʀɚ̃], isn't it ? 198.105.118.205 (talk) 21:21, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I believe so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Big signature

Hallo. I was wondering if you would consider removing the <big>...</big> from your custom signature? It makes your name gigantic compared to everyone else's. Much thanks! –Quiddity (talk) 04:23, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

 Done Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:42, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Much thanks :) –Quiddity (talk) 17:08, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

quand

  • France :
  • Quebec :

What is the difference ? 198.105.118.222 (talk) 19:05, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

The former is pronounced /kã/, while the latter is pronounced /kɛ̃/. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:19, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

The former is /kɔ̃/, isn't it ? 198.105.113.19 (talk) 21:11, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

You are right. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:13, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Jacky Cheung's voice

Do you think Jacky Cheung's voice is difference in this two videos ? 198.105.118.222 (talk) 11:13, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, they are different. The latter has a much stronger reverberation than in the former video. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:21, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

The former is a clear voice and the latter is a hoarse voice ? 198.105.102.93 (talk) 10:38, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Not true. Both are clear, although he sings at a slightly deeper tone in the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 18:31, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Why his voice is different ? 198.105.116.142 (talk) 01:00, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I believe that the former is recorded in a sound recording booth, while the latter is recorded live in front of a stage with audience. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:52, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

The former is in 1986 and the latter is in 2007. 198.105.116.142 (talk) 15:38, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

boîte

This pronunciation rhymes with the word "wait" or "white" ? 198.105.106.186 (talk) 21:41, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

It rhymes with "white." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:17, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

une fête

You heard [ʏn fɛːt] or [ʏn fəːt] ? 198.105.116.3 (talk) 01:03, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:04, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Apology

Hi, I am Benisonpanthaplackal. I was sorry that by mistake and due to misunderstanding, I edited a wrong information about CN Tower. I misunderstood tallest buildings for tallest structures. I am not causing Vandalism. I AM A TRUE WIKIPEDIAN. BenisonPBaby 10:01, 26 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benisonpanthaplackal (talk • contribs) 15:06, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:16, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

tard

What is the difference ? 198.105.114.166 (talk) 13:51, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

The former is pronounced "tar", while the latter is pronounced "tor." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:15, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

double

You pronounce [ˈdɐbl̩] or [ˈdɐboʊ] ? 198.105.100.87 (talk) 20:55, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I pronounce it as the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

service

You hear [ˈsɝvɪs] or [ˈsɝvəs] ? 198.105.123.125 (talk) 13:04, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:05, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

cinq

  • France :
  • Quebec :

Is there a difference ? 198.105.123.125 (talk) 00:54, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

The latter has the "aye" sound. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:19, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

taupe

You hear [toːp] or [tou̯p] ? 198.105.110.219 (talk) 11:41, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:07, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

kilomètre

You hear [kilomɛtʁ], [kidomɛtʁ] or [kiɾomɛtʁ] ? 198.105.127.230 (talk) 14:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as the middle one. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:37, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

tête

You hear [tɛːt] or [taɛ̯t] in http://www.forvo.com/word/tête/#fr ? 198.105.127.230 (talk) 18:26, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

There are two audio files in that website. Do you mean the first or the second audio file? Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 23:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I mean the second. 198.105.127.230 (talk) 23:51, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh. It is the latter pronunciation then. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:47, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

sayonara

You hear [sa.jɔ.na.ra] or [sa.jɔ.na.la] in 2:33 ? 198.105.97.117 (talk) 01:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

It sounds rather halfway between an "r" sound and an "l" sound. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:28, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter

Hey Johnny Au. We've just rolled out a new version of the VisualEditor :). Changes and patches include:

  • Newly added templates now list their available parameters if TemplateData is available;
  • The load for the VisualEditor on apages is now 4 KiB, down from 119 KiB;
  • Feedback dialog is no longer chased off the screen by typing (bug 50538)
  • Fixed the Monobook issues around z-indexes (bug 50241)
  • Undoing an image resize doesn't make everything look bad
  • In the image dialog, "Caption content" is now just "Caption"
  • Tweaked tooltip references to VisualEditor to instead talk about "source mode"

Those are the big ones; more coming at the end of this week or early next week :). It's a short list, but the load issue took up a lot of time, as did TemplateData, and are both pretty big changes. If you've got any questions, drop them on my talkpage. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 01:22, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Je ne comprends pas

You hear [ʒœ nœ kõpʁã pɑ] or [ʒœ nœ kõpʁã pɔ] ? 198.105.121.124 (talk) 15:35, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I hear the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:49, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Wilson

Do you hear the difference ? 198.105.117.248 (talk) 00:13, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

The former sounds like the standard English pronunciation of "Wilson," while the latter has the second syllable sound exactly like the English word "son." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:56, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

key

The key of this song is F major or G-flat major ? 198.105.118.222 (talk) 21:27, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

It is in G♭ Major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:06, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

lézard

You hear [lezɑːʁ] or [lezɔːʁ] ? 198.105.116.3 (talk) 20:22, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:13, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

tempête 2

You hear [tãpɛːt] or [tãpaɛ̯t] in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7B4LdOONUQ ? 198.105.116.3 (talk) 18:33, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:18, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

ver

  • France :
  • Quebec :

What is the difference ? 198.105.127.230 (talk) 00:45, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

The latter rhymes with "there." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:02, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

fortune

You pronounce [ˈfɔɹtʃuːn] or [ˈfɔɹtʃən] ? 198.105.98.28 (talk) 22:19, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

I pronounce it as the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:56, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter

Hey Johnny Au

We just deployed another VisualEditor release; bugs fixed include:

  • Firefox 13/14 has been temporarily blacklisted, to avoid the insertion of broken links [[./that look like this]] (50720)
  • Changing a reference in a template should no longer produce the bright red "you don't have a references block!" error (bugzilla:50423)
  • Notices are now shown if you're editing a protected or semi-protected page (bugzilla:50415)
  • The template inspector will no longer invite you to insert parameters that are already being used (50715)
  • Same as above, but with aliases (50717)
  • Parameter names in the template dialogue now word-wrap (50800)
  • The link inspector will not show in the top left if you hit the return key while opening it (49941)
  • Hitting return twice in the link editor will no longer introduce a new line that overwrites the link (51075)
  • Oddly-named categories no longer cause corruption (50702)
  • The toolbar no longer occasionally covers the cursor (48787)
  • Changing the formatting of text no longer occasionally scrolls you upwards (50792)

Not specific bugs, but other things; cacheing is now improved, so people should stop seeing temporary breaking when the VisualEditor updates, and RTL support has received some patches. I hope this newsletter is helpful to people; I'll send out another one with the next deployment :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 10:08, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter

Hey Johnny Au! Another set of patches :). Today we have:

  • Required template parameters are now automatically added to new templates (50747)
  • Templates with piped links now display correctly when you alter them (50801)
  • If your edit token expires, you're now informed of it (50424).
    You still won't be able to save - that's due to be fixed on Monday :).

More on Monday, I suspect. Hope you have a good weekend :). I should also have some news about the IP launch pretty soon. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:16, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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VE newsletter

Hey Johnny Au; hope you had a decent weekend :). We've got a pile of patches, some of which went out on Monday, some yesterday:

  • If you insert wikitext such as links or section headers, you get a notice in the top right corner (over the save button). It doesn't go away until click, though once dismissed you don't get another one that edit. (49820)
  • If your edit token expires, VE fetches a new one for you so you can save. (50424)
  • If the page is empty of content but does have something non-content (like a category or an HTML comment), VE no longer crashes on load - (50289)
  • sub tags are no longer removed ((49873)
  • If you type at the end of links, they now extend
  • Templates now only take a single click to insert
  • Clear annotations clears links (50461)
  • The link inspector stays open when you click to another item (50895)
  • Typing after multi-byte characters no longer creats pawn icons (51140)
  • Resizing thumbnails that have a default size set now works (50645)
  • References made by tag:ref now display properly (bugzilla:50978)
  • The VE is integrated with the spam blacklist (50826)
  • Feedbacl link goes to the right language (bugzilla:47730)

There are a lot more improvements coming, but that's it for Monday and Tuesday. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 08:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

baleine

This pronunciation rhymes with "wine" or "rain" ? 198.105.103.93 (talk) 01:35, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

It rhymes with "rain." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:28, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter

Hey Johnny Au! We've just deployed some fixes to the VisualEditor. These include:

  • "Edit" will load the latest version, not the version you're looking at (bug 49943)
  • "Edit" will load the latest version, not the version you edited last time if this is your second edit (bug 50441)
  • VE edit section links will load the latest, not original, version in diff view preview (bug 50925)
  • <big><big>Foo</big></big> and similar repeated tags will not get corrupted any more (bug 49755)

In the meantime, testing is proceeding well, and hopefully we can get some more fixes out over the next couple of days. If you're interested in helping out, we have a set of open tasks we'd really appreciate your assistance with :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 07:58, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

un kilomètre

What's the difference ? 198.105.113.97 (talk) 20:59, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

The latter sounds like "un kilométre." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:54, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

The second is "un kilomight", isn't it ? 198.105.113.97 (talk) 10:58, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

You think it's [ɚ̃ kilɔmɛːtʁ] or [ɚ̃ kilɔmaɛ̯tʁ] ? 198.105.124.127 (talk) 23:53, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Which one? Do you mean for the former or the latter? Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:14, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Do you think the second is [ɚ̃ kilɔmaɛ̯tʁ] ? 198.105.124.127 (talk) 01:24, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
No. The second sounds like "kilomaytr" with "may" sounding like the month of May. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

caisse

Is there a difference ? 198.105.113.97 (talk) 18:00, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Very slight. The latter has a very slight syllable break between the "a" and the "i." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

diet

You hear [ˈdaɪɪt] or [ˈdaɪɛt] ? 198.105.103.93 (talk) 21:52, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:11, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Bà Vì

You hear [ba vɪi̯] or [ba vei̯] ? 198.105.114.217 (talk) 01:42, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:34, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

peut-être

  • Paris :
  • South of France :
  • Quebec :

What's the difference ? 198.105.114.217 (talk) 15:33, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

South of France has the final syllable of être emphasized, unlike the Parisian accent, while Quebec has the first syllable of être pronounced as "eye," unlike the Parisian accent. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:08, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

G♭ Major

Do you think the G♭ Major is sad ? 198.105.114.217 (talk) 01:04, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

No. Major keys are supposed to be bright and uplifting. Minor keys are supposed to be sad and gloomy. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:59, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you think this song makes someone feel sad ? 198.105.114.217 (talk) 11:49, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

It is in the minor key, but the intro can be deceptive. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:05, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
This song is in G♭ Major, isn't it ? 198.105.114.217 (talk) 18:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Actually, it is in G♭ Minor, better known as F♯ Minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:23, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

What is the difference between G♭ Major and F♯ Minor ? 198.105.114.217 (talk) 00:18, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

G♭ Major sounds uplifting, while F♯ Minor sounds gloomy. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

This song is in G♭ Major or F♯ Minor ? 198.105.107.76 (talk) 11:28, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

It is in the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:53, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

This song is in G♭ Major or E minor ? 198.105.126.12 (talk) 23:52, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

It is in the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:53, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
But in 0:45, I think it's in G♭ Major, right ? 198.105.126.12 (talk) 11:58, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
That is just a modulation. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:46, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
It's in the same key, but major and minor, right ? 198.105.126.12 (talk) 00:48, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
No. E Minor is enharmonic to G Major, not G♭ Major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:09, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
It's in E♭ Minor. 198.105.124.127 (talk) 12:20, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
I just noticed that. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:39, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

This song is in which key ? 198.105.124.127 (talk) 17:58, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

It is in A♭ Minor, I believe. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:18, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
D major and G♭ Major, right ? 198.105.124.127 (talk) 12:05, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:35, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Does this song have a modulation ? 198.105.124.127 (talk) 18:34, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
It does. It modulates enharmonically between major and minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

G♭ Major and F♯ major

What is the difference between G♭ Major and F♯ major ? 198.105.124.127 (talk) 22:57, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Only the name and key signature are different. Otherwise, they are exactly the same. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:10, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

tête

It rhymes with late or tight ? 198.105.124.127 (talk) 16:19, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

It rhymes with the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:02, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

hiver

You hear [ivɛːʁ] or [iveɪ̯ʁ] ? 198.105.116.61 (talk) 22:18, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as rhyming with "there," but with an "r". Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Listen to the night

The song "Listen to the night" is in which key ? 198.105.102.230 (talk) 14:53, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

It is in D♭ Major I believe. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:24, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

The G♭ Major is also present in this song ? 198.105.102.230 (talk) 17:27, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:15, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for 06 August 2013

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It's been almost two weeks since the last newsletter, and a lot of improvements have been made during that time. The main things that people have noticed are significant improvements to speed for typing into long pages (T54012), scrolling (T54014) and deleting (T54013) on large pages. There have also been improvements to references, with the latest being support for list-defined references, which are <ref>s defined inside a <references> block (T53741). Users of Opera 12 and higher have had their web browser removed from the browser black-list, mostly as a result of work by a volunteer developer (T38000). Opera has not been fully white-listed yet, so these users will get an additional warning and request to report problems.

Significant changes were made to the user interface to de-emphasize VisualEditor. This has cut the use of VisualEditor by approximately one-third. You can read about these at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Updates/August 1, 2013, but they include:

  • Re-ordering links to the editors to put "Edit source" first and VisualEditor second
  • Renaming the link for VisualEditor to "Editbeta"
  • Disabling the animation for section editing.
  • Changing all labels for the classic wikitext editor to say "Edit source", regardless of namespace.

There have also been many smaller fixes, including these:

  • Horizontal alignment of images working correctly on more pages (T53995)
  • Categories with ':'s in their names (like Category:Wikipedia:Privacy) now work correctly (T53902)
  • Magic JavaScript gadgets and tools like sortable tables will now work once the page is saved (T53565)
  • Keyboard shortcut for "clear annotations" - now Control+\ or ⌘ Command+\ (T53507)
  • Fixed corruption bugs that led to duplicate categories (T54238) and improper collapsing when multiple new references were added in a row (T54228).
  • Improvements to display elements: The save dialog in Monobook is restored to normal size (T52058), pop-up notices on save now look the same in VisualEditor as in wikitext editor (T41632), and the popup about using wikitext has a link to the definition of wikitext that now opens in a new window (T54093)

Most of the Wikimedia Foundation staff is traveling this week and next, so no updates are expected until at least August 15th. If you're going to be in Hong Kong for Wikimania 2013, say hello to James Forrester, Philippe Beaudette, and the other members of the VisualEditor team.

As always, if you have questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 23:32, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

key

This song is in F major or G♭ Major ? 198.105.103.93 (talk) 11:55, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

It is in F major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:53, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

This key is F major or G♭ Major ? 198.105.103.93 (talk) 19:16, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

It is in G♭ Major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:35, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Maybe between F major and G♭ Major ? 198.105.100.253 (talk) 11:52, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:05, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter

Hey Johnny Au. The newest updates:

  • Links now don't extend over space/punctuation/workbreaks when you type (bugzilla:51463)
  • Users with the "minoredit" preference set get working functionality (bugzilla:51515)
  • You can tab to buttons in dialogs, including the save dialog (bugzilla:50047)
  • We now show the <newarticletext> (or <newarticletextanon>) message as an edit notice (bugzilla:51459)
  • You can scroll dialog panels like in transclusions' templates' parameter listings (bugzilla:51739)
  • Templates that only create meta-data and no display content at all (like Template:Use dmy dates) now can't be deleted accidentally or deliberately, but still don't show up (bugzilla:51322)
  • FlaggedRevisions integration (bugzilla:49699)
  • Edit summary will get the section title pre-added if you launched from a section edit link (bugzilla:50872)

Along with some miscellaneous language support fixes. That's all for today; as always, let us know if you spot more bugs. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:55, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

key

It's difficult to guess this key. Do you think it's in C♯ minor ? 198.105.124.127 (talk) 16:19, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Actually, read here: Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:39, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

This key is strange, it doesn't sound like B major. 198.105.124.127 (talk) 17:10, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

key

This song is in F major, G-flat major or between both ? 198.105.124.127 (talk) 01:34, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

It is in F major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:10, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

key

This two keys are identical or different ? 198.105.123.152 (talk) 01:22, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

They are different. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:07, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps the first is in D minor, while the second is between D minor and E-flat minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:12, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

This key is in F major or between F major and G-flat major ? 198.105.123.152 (talk) 11:56, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

It is definitely in F major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:12, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

neige

You pronounce [nɛʒ] or [neɪʒ] ? 198.105.98.184 (talk) 20:32, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

I pronounce it as the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:44, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

pâte

This pronunciation rhymes with "out" or "boat" ? 198.105.105.42 (talk) 11:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

It rhymes with the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:30, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

crêpe

Is there a pronunciation who rhymes with "type" inside ? 198.105.112.58 (talk) 01:00, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

There are none with that pronunciation. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:37, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Maybe the second pronunciation ? 198.105.112.58 (talk) 11:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Close, but it does not have that exact pronunciation. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

key

These two songs are in the same key ? 198.105.112.58 (talk) 15:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

No, although it is hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:49, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Which video is exactly in E-flat minor ? 198.105.119.189 (talk) 11:24, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
The second one is. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:20, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Does this song is in F major ? 198.105.114.41 (talk) 20:09, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

It is in G-flat major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:03, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

The first video is exactly in G-flat major. Do you think the second video is in F major ? 198.105.115.85 (talk) 11:43, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:52, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
The second is neither F major nor G-flat major ? 198.105.96.91 (talk) 20:15, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
It can be halfway between the two keys. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

octave

Men sing always with a low octave ? 198.105.122.37 (talk) 11:57, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Wrong! There is a technique that allows men to sing high octaves: falsetto and castrato (but the latter involves surgery). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 12:35, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Is it a tenor ? 198.105.116.62 (talk) 14:11, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 22:15, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

caisse

You pronounce it [kɛs] or [kɛːs] ? 198.105.126.193 (talk) 17:45, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

I pronounce it the same way as the English word "case." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:09, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

You hear [kʰeɪ̯s] or [kʰaɪ̯s] ? 198.105.106.68 (talk) 18:36, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:28, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

hiver

  • France :
  • Quebec, Gaspésie :
  • Quebec, Montreal :
  • Quebec, Montreal :

Are you capable to mark these four pronunciations in IPA ? 198.105.106.68 (talk) 21:51, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

No. This is because some distinct IPA letters are indistinguishable to me by sound. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:03, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Does these four pronunciations are all different ? 198.105.106.68 (talk) 11:04, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

They are all different, though the Metropolitan French and Gaspésie are the most similar to each other. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:40, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

You think the Montreal pronunciation rhymes with river ? I don't think so. There is a /ʁ/ in final and the second vowel is not /ə/. Maybe [ivaɛ̯ʁ]. 198.105.106.68 (talk) 19:12, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying. I would have thought that the Montreal pronunciation rhymes with river but you said otherwise, which made more sense. Thank you again. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

caisse

Do you know [keɪs] is not a standard pronunciation ? 198.105.98.184 (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

No. I did not know that. Thank you though. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:16, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

The standard pronunciation is [kɛːs]. 198.105.98.184 (talk) 15:24, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Is there another French word that you pronounce with an informal pronunciation ? 198.105.111.27 (talk) 16:13, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I have not spoken French for a very long time. Therefore, I don't know. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:18, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for 21 August 2013

Did you know? Parsoid is a tool that translates between the raw wikitext that Wikipedia articles are stored in, and the HTML/RDFa that VisualEditor uses on your screen. If you see chess pawn (♙) or snowman (☃) icons in an article, it usually means that Parsoid has encountered something confusing in the wikitext markup. Please report these problems to Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback.

Both VisualEditor and MediaWiki were upgraded recently. For VisualEditor, this is the long-awaited post-Wikimania update with many bug fixes and enhancements. Work also continues on speed at opening and during use, as well as on the bugs reported here and at other Wikipedias. The full report is at Mediawiki.

References are displaying properly, even when nested (T52749) or in image captions (T2000. Reference lists are now always fully populated with references (bug 50094). Firefox users can insert an existing reference in the first paragraph (T54159). Opera users no longer see corruption of categories when a reference was added (bug 50385).

Stray spaces are being stripped from the start of paragraphs to end one of the common <nowiki> problems (T53462). We also fixed a round-tripping bug that caused desirable whitespace in templates (used to make templates more legible, e.g., by putting each parameter in an infobox on a separate line) to get corrupted (bug 51150).

Wikilink handling was improved. Users are not allowed to create internal links to invalid titles (titles that are actually impossible due to limits on acceptable character combinations in titles, not redlinks) (T35094). You can extend wikilinks, but it won't do so over a wordbreak (like a space) (bugs 49931 and 51463).

A handful of fixes to the user interface were made. The toolbar doesn't float over personal tools after opening a dialog or the inspector (T54441). Toolbars were also re-written to be collapsible/expandable, with room for more icons. Buttons in dialogs can now be activated using the Tab ↹ and ⇧ Shift+Tab ↹ key commands (bug 50047). This saves time for editors, because you don't need to take your hands off the keyboard to click a button. We fixed a handful of bugs that affected only certain articles or certain browsers, including toolbar buttons in Firefox (bug 51986) and dialog panels that didn't always scroll correctly (bug 51739). Bugs with undo/redo getting confused have been fixed (T54113).

Images, in addition to getting references displaying correctly, also saw improvements with a set-empty |link= parameter no longer corrupted (51963). We corrected thumbnail images' display so that they look don't wrong in some contexts (bug 51995). Inserted images no longer explicitly set their alignment, but instead inherit the default position in compliance with the Manual of Style (bug 51851).

More edit notices, warnings, and metadata like information about Pending Changes on an article now appear as appropriate (bug 49699). When new articles are created, users are now shown the <newarticletext> message (bug 51459). VisualEditor now handles templates that set "meta" items (like a category) and nothing else better (bug 51322). If the database is locked when a user tries to save with VisualEditor, they now get a message telling them as such and an opportunity to try again, rather than a silent failure (bug 51636).

When you save the page, having the default preference set to "mark all my edits as minor by default" no longer overrides the setting in the save dialog (bug 51515). If you open VisualEditor from a section edit link, the section's title will be pre-filled in in the edit summary box when you go to save it (bug 50872). The size of the save dialog box in the Monobook skin has been fixed (bug 50058). Also, wikipage content handlers like sortable tables are re-run automatically after saving (T53565).

A very early version of the mathematics equation editor is now available for testing on mw:Mediawiki. If you would like to help improve the user interface for math editor, please test out the extension at mw:Mediawiki:Sandbox and leave your comments directly at the discussion page for the Math Node User Interface at Mediawiki. You should be able to use your regular username and password should to login to Mediawiki.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 17:51, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

bonne fête

You hear "bawn fett" or "bawn fight" ? 198.105.127.120 (talk) 19:28, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:31, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

tête

The second pronunciation is "tett" or "tight" ? 198.105.110.145 (talk) 18:37, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

It is pronounced "tate." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:30, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

YMCA

Which video is a real G-flat major ? 198.105.117.182 (talk) 00:31, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

The former. The latter is actually F major. Not just that, but the former is the official music video for YMCA, made by the Village People themselves. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:00, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Thirteenth grade listed at Redirects for discussion

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Nomination of Thirteenth grade for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Thirteenth grade is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thirteenth grade (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 06:28, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Thirteenth grade listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Thirteenth grade. Since you had some involvement with the Thirteenth grade redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 06:31, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

F major and G-flat major

The third video is in which key ? 198.105.121.200 (talk) 23:08, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

The third video is in G-flat major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:13, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
But the third video's key is lower than the fourth video, right ? 198.105.108.203 (talk) 11:16, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Very slightly. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for September 5

Did you know?

You can search for images directly in VisualEditor. Click the media icon, which looks like this:

Then type a few keywords into the search box. VisualEditor will search Commons for images or other files whose titles or descriptions contain those words, and will display thumbnail pictures of them for your review. Click one time on the image you want to insert in the article.

For more details, read VisualEditor's user guide.

This Thursday's VisualEditor update was mostly about stability and performance improvements, and some preparatory work for major planned improvements, along with bug fixes for non-English language support and right-to-left text. Everything that the English Wikipedia received today has been running on Mediawiki for a week already.

Officially, the problem with the link inspector not linking to a specific section on a page (bug 53219) was fixed in this release, although that critical patch actually appeared here earlier.

A number of bugs related to copy-and-paste functionality were fixed (48604, bug 50043, bug 53362, bug 51538, among others). Full rich copy-and-paste from external sources into VisualEditor is expected "soon".

In other fixes, you can no longer add empty ref tags (<ref/>) (bug 53345). Selecting both an image and some text, and then trying to add a link, previously deleted the selected image and the text. This was fixed in bug 50127. There was another problem related to using arrow keys to move the cursor next to an inline image that was fixed (bug 53507).

Looking ahead: The next planned upgrade is scheduled for next Thursday, and you should expect to find a redesigned toolbar with drop-down menus that include room for references, templates, underline, strikethrough, superscript, subscript, and code formatting. There will also be keyboard shortcuts for setting the format (paragraph vs section headings).

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being determined at this time. Generally speaking, languages that depend on the input method editor are not going to receive VisualEditor this month. The current target date is Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:54, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

key

Do you think the F major is the best key ? 198.105.108.150 (talk) 20:16, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

When it comes to Cantopop, which is the majority of the videos you showed me, perhaps so. When it comes to classical music, I have no preference for any key. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:11, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

The F major reminds the color blue, right ? 198.105.108.150 (talk) 11:03, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

According to some theories, it does. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:09, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

The G-flat major reminds the color orange ? 198.105.108.150 (talk) 15:55, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

That is arguable. G-flat major (also known as F# Major) is also associated with the colour green: List of Green Lanterns#Rot Lop Fan. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:26, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

This song is associated in with color ? 198.105.127.120 (talk) 23:04, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

One has blue text and the other has pink text. Otherwise, the song is not associated with any particular colour. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:11, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

key

This key makes someone think the colour orange, yellow or purple ? 198.105.121.97 (talk) 17:44, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

The piece is in F-sharp major, therefore it is green or cyan. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
But the F-sharp major makes me think the colour orange. 198.105.121.97 (talk) 02:17, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

The E-flat minor makes someone think the colour brown ? 198.105.121.97 (talk) 12:08, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

That is debatable, but minor keys sound dark, while major keys sound bright. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

This song is in D-flat minor, but it's in F-sharp minor in 1:54, right ? 198.105.121.97 (talk) 19:16, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 23:58, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

This song is exactly in G-flat major or between F major and G-flat major ? 198.105.121.97 (talk) 11:55, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

It is closer to G-flat major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:52, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

G-flat major and G major is similar ? 198.105.121.97 (talk) 17:58, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but they differ by one semitone. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 19:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Do you think the E-flat minor is sadder than the E minor ? 198.105.121.97 (talk) 21:18, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

They are the same to me. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:49, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

The F major and G-flat major are very different ? 198.105.102.194 (talk) 21:34, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Not that different but different nonetheless. They only differ by a semitone. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:16, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
The G-flat major is stronger than the F major ? 198.105.102.194 (talk) 11:12, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
They are the same. Any key is stronger with forte dynamics. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:57, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

These four songs are in the same key ? 198.105.102.194 (talk) 14:50, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

First: G-flat major
Second: F major
Third: G-flat major
Fourth: G-flat major
Therefore, no. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:03, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
The second is between F major and G-flat major, isn't it ? 198.105.110.145 (talk) 11:32, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
It might be so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:19, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

These two songs' tempo are different ? 198.105.110.145 (talk) 01:27, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes. The latter is slightly faster than the former and believe it or not, the increased speed of the latter caused its key to shift almost one semitone higher (common with pop music). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:47, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
No, the latter is slower than the former. 198.105.110.145 (talk) 11:23, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for correcting me. I was tired. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:04, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

key

This song is in F major or G-flat major ? 198.105.122.45 (talk) 11:12, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

It is in F major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:56, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

The key between F major and G-flat major is not in Wikipedia ? 198.105.122.45 (talk) 01:46, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

It is not in Wikipedia, as it is absent in Western music (and is otherwise too obscure aside from East and Southeast Asian pop music). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:09, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Does this is a Western music ? 198.105.106.85 (talk) 11:20, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is Western. It is in F major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:16, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
No, this song is between F major and G-flat major. Why you told me this key is absent in Western music ? Because this song hasn't a high quality ? 198.105.106.85 (talk) 21:48, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
I get it. It was from a vinyl record recording, which over time has led to the key being distorted. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:58, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

This song's original key is between F major and G-flat major, but in the second video, it's in F major. It's possible to make the key between F major and G-flat major with instruments ? 198.105.118.165 (talk) 01:19, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes. One can tune multiple sets of instruments (depending on the instrument) to play in keys not on the Western scale. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:02, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Why it's in F major in the second video ? 198.105.118.165 (talk) 12:10, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

It is not effective to tune every single instrument there. Often, it is just easier to play on a recognized key. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 17:08, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

tempête 3

Do you believe this pronunciation is between [tãpeɪt] and [tãpaɪt] ? 198.105.117.46 (talk) 01:12, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

It sounds like the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:28, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
For your outstanding edits to so many Toronto articles. Richard Apple (talk) 02:39, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I have added it to my barnstar collection. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:30, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

key

This song is in F-flat major ? 198.105.101.210 (talk) 01:27, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

No. It is in F major (though off-key). Remember that F-flat is exactly the same as E. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:08, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Off-key means between F-flat major and F major ? 198.105.113.6 (talk) 11:42, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

In this case, yes, though it is closer to F major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 12:43, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

This is a F major with a comma ? 198.105.113.6 (talk) 12:52, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 13:57, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
This song's key is closer to F major or closer to G-flat major ? 198.105.101.127 (talk) 20:40, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
It is very much in the middle. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:13, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

This key is strange. You think it's in E-flat minor or D major ? 198.105.101.127 (talk) 01:38, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

It is halfway between the two keys. It is quite hard to tell though, as the vocals overpower the instrumentals and the instrumentals are very low. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:07, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

This song is in A major or B-flat major ? Be careful ! The intro is difficult to guess. 198.105.110.248 (talk) 00:33, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

It is in the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:05, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

This song is in G major or A-flat major ? 198.105.120.197 (talk) 11:00, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

It is the former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:58, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

This song is in E major ? 198.105.117.194 (talk) 14:32, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:15, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

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You hear [tʃɛ] or [tʃæ] ? 198.105.101.127 (talk) 15:02, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I hear it as neither. I hear it as [tʃe]. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:16, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

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Do you hear a short [a] before the [ɛ] sound (that is [vᵃɛʁ]) ? 198.105.103.32 (talk) 15:43, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:47, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

And this one. Do you hear a short [a] before the [ɛ] sound (that is [ivᵃɛʁ]) ? 198.105.103.32 (talk) 17:28, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Extremely slight. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:19, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for September 19, 2013

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key

Does the key start to up in 3:32 ? 198.105.120.239 (talk) 21:10, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

The key becomes G-flat major at 3:32. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:49, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
It becomes G-flat major or G major at 3:32 ? 198.105.120.239 (talk) 13:33, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
It becomes the former at that point. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:33, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
So, the intro is in F major ? 198.105.120.239 (talk) 17:30, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
It is halfway between F major and G-flat major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 20:13, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
In 3:32, it becomes between G-flat major and G major, right ? 198.105.120.239 (talk) 20:58, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
It may be so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:56, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I think it's impossible to set the key between F major and G-flat major. This key is modified with a machine. 198.105.107.122 (talk) 10:42, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

It is not impossible, but it is very impractical to do so without a machine. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:56, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Does this key is written in the page F♯ (musical note) ? 198.105.105.98 (talk) 21:14, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:05, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
F♯4 is not this key ? 198.105.101.130 (talk) 06:11, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
F♯4 is in that key, just not in that particular song. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:15, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

This song is in G-flat major ? 198.105.101.130 (talk) 21:19, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

It sounds more like F♯ minor to me. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:29, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
F♯ minor or E-flat minor ? 198.105.123.58 (talk) 11:13, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
It is actually E♭ minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:55, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

This song is in E minor or F minor ? 198.105.123.58 (talk) 17:30, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

It is halfway in between, though closer to F minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:06, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

This two keys are identic or different ? 198.105.107.136 (talk) 06:07, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

The two are identical, both G-flat major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:50, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

This song, the intro is in D minor, but the singing part is in F major ? 198.105.107.136 (talk) 18:46, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes for parts of it (some of the singing part, especially later on is in D minor). Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:23, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

These three songs are in the same key or not ? 198.105.107.136 (talk) 11:57, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:46, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Which song is exactly in F major ? 198.105.98.86 (talk) 17:15, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
The first one. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:44, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
The second and the third are in the same key ? 198.105.97.31 (talk) 00:58, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:09, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
The first video is in F major, the third video is in F♯4 and the second video is in which key ? 198.105.125.27 (talk) 05:33, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
It is more like G-flat major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:54, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
The second video's key is lower than the third video ? 198.105.111.160 (talk) 20:30, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:07, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Do you think the third sentence of this song is in G-flat major ? 198.105.111.160 (talk) 02:13, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

It is more like E-flat minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:35, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Do you hear a different key in this two videos ? 198.105.104.5 (talk) 17:54, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:23, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

If you don't listen this key carefully, you will guess this key is F major ? 198.105.119.21 (talk) 21:39, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes. It is actually in G-flat major after listening to it millions of times. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:29, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Does the A major makes someone to think the sunshine ? For me, yes. 198.105.119.21 (talk) 01:39, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I must concur. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:49, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

This song is in G-flat major or G major ? 198.105.103.141 (talk) 11:15, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

It is in the former. It would have been great if I get my hands on Logic Pro, so that I can determine what key any piece of music it is in quickly and accurately. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:58, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Some parts of this song is in E-flat minor ans some parts is in G-flat major. Which is the home key ? 198.105.113.105 (talk) 23:54, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

It is the former. Generally, the home key is the one that is the very first chord and/or the very last chord. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:16, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

This song is in D minor ? 198.105.102.175 (talk) 18:55, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:43, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

The second octave is different ? 198.105.124.164 (talk) 23:41, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:33, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
The second voice is lower ? 198.105.103.203 (talk) 09:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes. The second is so heavily post-processed that the female voice becomes a male voice. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:15, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
The second video, it's a cover. When men sing a women's song, their voice is often lower ? 198.105.122.63 (talk) 18:27, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes, for obvious reasons. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

This song is in C major or A minor ? 198.105.126.178 (talk) 12:20, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

It is in the latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:25, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Some parts of this song is in C major ? 198.105.126.178 (talk) 20:23, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
True, but the song is in A minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:31, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

The intro of this song is in E-flat minor, but the singing part is in G-flat major, right ? 198.105.126.178 (talk) 07:13, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

True. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:58, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
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