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Fish gill

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Excellent. Thank you very much! --Epipelagic (talk) 08:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the pictures

Hi, just wanted to say thanks for all the fish images that you've been adding. Wish there were more scientists like you. -- Yzx (talk) 20:35, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

That's probably because I am only an amateur ichthyologist ;) Jeanloujustine (talk) 20:56, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Alain Chabaud

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Copy paste of essay which is the only source. Tone is entirely inappropriate - article would need to be re-written from scratch.

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The page was written from an obituary - obituaries rarely use a neutral tone, especially when they are about scientists who have had a great reputation and have influenced a generation of researchers. And you cannot expect to have many obituaries written about a single scientist, so the "single source" criterion is clearly biased. The mention "This article appears to be written like an advertisement" is certainly inappropriate - the man is dead.

I easily found a dozen mentions of works by Professor Chabaud in Wikipedia (English) - doesn't that count? And I linked a dozen pages to this page.

Anyway, I will be delighted if someone rewrites the page from its source.

--Jeanloujustine (talk) 14:56, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

A Barnstar For You

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		For your recent expansion of fish species articles. Thank you and keep up the good work. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:06, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Philometra

I saw your nice photos and thought I'd start it. The species in the gallery are not listed in the taxonomy section. Perhaps you could shed some light. Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:15, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Nice beginning! For improving the article, you should read the major paper on this group (access is free):

Moravec & de Buron - A synthesis of our current knowledge of philometrid nematodes, a group of increasingly important fish parasites. PDF

Jeanloujustine (talk) 21:03, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. I'll download and read it. Best wishes, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:24, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

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This account is not blocked directly. What message appears when you try to edit? —Jeremy v^_^v ^Bori! 16:47, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry - that was the VPN again. When I use the VPN, my IP address is blocked. Everything is fine now. Please delete this whole deblock part if you wish. Jeanloujustine (talk) 16:13, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you for making all those pages about species. It brings me joy seeing them come up on Wikipedia. I hope one of your species becomes the 5 millionth article. All the very best. Calaka (talk) 11:43, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks ! Jeanloujustine (talk) 12:06, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

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Hi User:Jeanloujustine, just wondered can you make an edit to Maiorana page please? That the name is Norman French in origin, on page 326 of this source Della Calabria illustrata the book states that the fleur-de-lis in the coat of arms of the family also indicates a Norman origin. I just don't do edits on that scale, because more than likely no one will edit the page for many months, leaving my mistakes (that become Wikipedia's mistakes) on show. You'd just have to blank the page then change categories to Norman and "Maiorana is an Italian surname" to "Maiorana is a Norman French surname" (Good examples of Norman names are Banister (surname) and Molyneux). Hope you can help, thanks.--Theo Mandela (talk) 22:13, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

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Xavier Mattei

Checking in Google Scholar, I see that he's notable under our rule WP:PROF. However, for the English WP it is necessary to show this in the actual article. Please add a basic bio with degrees and positions and most important publications. DGG ( talk ) 05:05, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

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Multiple accounts

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I have a single account but I am training a new contributor. Please do not move my edits to draft space too fast - one hour seems acceptable!11:51, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

OK that's not a problem for the other contributor, but you must not create unsourced articles. If you have the source for the information that you are including in the article then add it when you publish the article if you do not have the source then wait until you do before publishing. This is a recurrant problem with your creations and I am not the only new pages reviewer to have draftified your articles. An inuse tag is not an protection against move to draft space if there are no sources whatsoever. This way of editing creats extra work for other editors which could be avoided. Verifiability is one of the WP:FIVE PILLARS. Dom from Paris (talk) 12:11, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Ways to improve Microcotyle poronoti

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It seems to me that some patrollers underestimate the value of the Taxonbar. This species has a taxonbar with 6 numbered references (in addition to Wikidata itself) meaning that the species is registered in at least 6 international databases.

Also, for some species, there will be one and only one bibliographic reference, if the species has not been found again after its first description. That happens with A LOT of species. 16:25, 4 December 2018 (UTC) jeanloujustine

@Insertcleverphrasehere: I would tend to agree with Jeanloujustine. I know it is just an essay but WP:SPECIESOUTCOMES suggests that so long as they have a Valid name (zoology) and one reference that describes them they are inherantly notable. I draftified those that had no sources at all. It might be worth trying to get this into a notability guideline somewhere to avoid unneccessary debate. cheers. Dom from Paris (talk) 16:42, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

jeanloujustine Domdeparis, Ok. I'll make sure to check the Taxonbar in future. As a generalist reviewer, it is sometimes hard to keep up on all the different ways that refs are sometimes included. At least one inline ref is still necessary IMO though. Thanks. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 17:28, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks for that. Anyway, I am always happy when my new pages are patrolled and edited. There is always something to learn from other contributors! Jeanloujustine (talk) 14:14, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Zoological authorship

Hi Jean-Lou, in response to this change ("No "in" here which would have a completely different meaning according to the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature."), I am looking for some guidance on zoological authorship. As far as I was aware, authorship is not affected by recombinations or rank changes, except for the addition of parentheses for changed combinations. While I know it is part of the botanical code to include authors for new combinations, it seems rare, on Wikipedia at least, to include the recombination authors for animal taxa. It is not against ICZN to use them, but it also does not appear to be mandated either. Can you help me understand what the difference between these taxon names would be / how they would be completely different?

1. Paramicrocotyle victoriae (Woolcock, 1936) Caballero & Bravo-Hollis, 1972
2. Paramicrocotyle victoriae (Woolcock, 1936) or
3. Paramicrocotyle victoriae (Woolcock, 1936) in Caballero & Bravo-Hollis, 1972

Thanks for your patience! I want to make sure I am understanding this correctly. —Hyperik ⌜talk⌟ 20:56, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

>>> This is a system of conventions, which are very simple.

The system of the ICZN uses a simple convention: parentheses or no parentheses. In Wikipedia or any publication, we can add references, but these references are simply a complement and should not interfere with the simple system.

The use of "small" marks for the names of the authors is not compulsory at all, but give a "professional" aspect.

Paramicrocotyle victoriae (Woolcock, 1936) Caballero & Bravo-Hollis, 1972

This is correctly written. The species has been described by Woolcock in 1936 but it was, at this time, described in a different genus (note that this system does not say which one), and Caballero & Bravo-Hollis, later (here 1972) transferred this species to the genus Paramicrocotyle. Note also that they might be right or wrong - this is simply a convention to explain what they thought about the nomenclature of this animal.

Anyway, this shows all the available information, in a compact form.

It is possible to add the reference to Woolcock and the reference to Caballero & Bravo-Hollis here, but the ICZN code does not deal with this - it is simply a matter of publication style (some journals would add it, some would prefere it later in the text). In Wikipedia, it is a good idea to add it here.

So, my preferred way of writing all this in a very compact form in Wikipedia would be:

Paramicrocotyle victoriae (Woolcock, 1936) Caballero & Bravo-Hollis, 1972

(the references are added after the "small" mark)

Note that Paramicrocotyle victoriae (Woolcock, 1936) is the same as above, and is not wrong, but here we do not know who transferred the species to this genus Paramicrocotyle - we have only half of the information.

Paramicrocotyle victoriae (Woolcock, 1936)

Very weird, because this means that the species was described by Woolcock in a different genus and then we have a reference to Caballero & Bravo-Hollis. An example where the Wikipedia reference adds confusion, no information.

Paramicrocotyle victoriae (Woolcock, 1936) in Caballero & Bravo-Hollis, 1972

"in" has a very special (and rare) usage; "Dupont in Cuvier" means that in a book authored by Cuvier, there was a chapter, or a page, which was in fact authored by Dupont (and there is probably some discussion about this somewhere). This is generally only for old books. For this particular case, that would mean that in a book by Caballero & Bravo-Hollis (published in 1972) there was a part published by Woolcock in 1936 - so this is simply absurd.

I hope this is clear... Botany is similar, but not exactly the same, so my comments should not be used for botanical nomenclature, which I do not know.

Jeanloujustine (talk) 22:15, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks for taking the time to respond so thoroughly. The "in" makes sense to me now. I will say that I don't find this example confusing or weird at all: Paramicrocotyle victoriae (Woolcock, 1936) and would probably prefer it myself, for brevity/compactness, in taxoboxes. The parentheses already indicate it's not the original combination, so it's expected (by me, at least), that the ref would be for where that particular new name first originated. I see your point though, too. —Hyperik ⌜talk⌟ 23:04, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

References

Reverted formatting changes

I would like to note that if you managed to perpetuate this kind of formatting in more than 50 articles, then that makes more than 50 articles that require layout and formatting cleanup. Sections like "Diagnosis" don't belong into species articles at all; that's a part of the standard section "Description" (which should not be called "Morphology"). It is unnecessary and undesirable to lead in any statement with phrasing like "According to Zhang, Yang & Xia..." - that's what the reference at the end of the sentence is for, and name-dropping is as surplus to requirement in taxonomic articles as it is in ones on pop culture. "Etymology" belongs at the top of the article, not below the description. And so on an so forth. Apart from that, you also reverted a number of unrelated and independently desirable changes like wikilinks to common names.

I am going to reinstitute these changes and would ask you not to revert them again without good reason. "All my other articles look like this" isn't one. We are trying to achieve a consistent structure for species articles, and wanting to preserve little walled gardens of skewed layout is not a reasonable motivation for ignoring that. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:21, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Re the short description, not sure if we even have standards for that yet, and "worms" is presumably as good as "fish parasite", so I've retained that. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:26, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

• Having slept on it, I realize that this came over as needlessly combative; sorry, long day. I certainly don't want to put down your excellent contributions. But please let's at least talk over bringing the overall structure of these articles in line with general practice. It's an ongoing process, and guarding incidentals of "your" stuff / ownership actions don't help. Cheers! --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:29, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

review

hi, I just reviewed and approved the article, to be approved it needs to have all references[2], please add text and reference when you are ready, thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:54, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

You are frightening a beginner here (User:Bouguerche) [this is not me and we are in two different continents]... in fact you deleted a paragraph exactly TWO minutes after it was created. Please allow at least a few minutes to look at references, add them, double -check. Jeanloujustine (talk) 10:59, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

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