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The redirect American actors rehearse with the director has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 14 § American actors rehearse with the director until a consensus is reached. Fram (talk) 15:52, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
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May 2023
A page you created has been nominated for deletion as an attack page, according to section G10 of the criteria for speedy deletion.
Do not create pages that attack, threaten, or disparage their subject or any other entity. Attack pages and files are not tolerated by Wikipedia, and users who create or add such material may be blocked from editing. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 14:51, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
@Dsuke1998AEOS: Your statement is bizarre. Don't post hostile drivel to my Talk: like this again. That's obviously not an attack page. At the most extreme it could be misinterpreted as a fan page but that's obviously not true either.
It is a fact with citation and many more WP:V citations available if needed. Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with Wikipedia before policing it. Invasive Spices (talk) 16:02, 22 May 2023 (UTC)- I think you have misunderstood my (somewhat over-the-top) warning. I was referring to your redirect, which is inappropriate because its title suggests that the article subject has harassed women, which isn't true. Otherwise, you can disregard the block threat above, which is excessive. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 16:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- I did misunderstand which article you intended. I will elaborate when I have time. Invasive Spices (talk) 17:06, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- @ScottishFinnishRadish: Why did you delete Roberta Marinelli's contribution to Sexual Harassment of Women? — Invasive Spices (talk) 17:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- As Dsuke1998AEOS explained above, the article title suggested they contributed to the sexual harassment of women which was a clear BLP violation. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:44, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- @ScottishFinnishRadish: Why did you not notify me? Invasive Spices (talk) 18:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- This discussion is taking place in the section with the CSD notification. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:09, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- There is no such section nor any such notification. Invasive Spices (talk) 18:41, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- The first line of text in this section that we are now having a discussion in is
A page you created has been nominated for deletion as an attack page, according to section G10 of the criteria for speedy deletion.
That is the CSD notification. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:48, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- The first line of text in this section that we are now having a discussion in is
- There is no such section nor any such notification. Invasive Spices (talk) 18:41, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- This discussion is taking place in the section with the CSD notification. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:09, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- @ScottishFinnishRadish: Why did you not notify me? Invasive Spices (talk) 18:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- As Dsuke1998AEOS explained above, the article title suggested they contributed to the sexual harassment of women which was a clear BLP violation. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:44, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- I think you have misunderstood my (somewhat over-the-top) warning. I was referring to your redirect, which is inappropriate because its title suggests that the article subject has harassed women, which isn't true. Otherwise, you can disregard the block threat above, which is excessive. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 16:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
ScottishFinnishRadish you are — again — wasting time pretending to not understand:
- You gave no notice.
- That notice gave no article name.
- That warning wasn't understandable.
- Dsuke1998AEOS isn't required to notify me.
You are aware you have a history of misconduct which makes any further interaction with me ill advised. You chose to threaten to block me for acting upon an agreement I had with another editor. You decided to misinterpret that agreement as disagreement. You did so to support a WP:POV political WP:GANG. A GANG which suddenly joined together to derail an RFC Talk:Allegations of CIA drug trafficking#RFC on geography by renaming and spamming a different section to make it appear to be the RFC. You are however quite happy to support WP:NPA personal attacks, and silence the alarm about that GANG. Certainly your next action regarding me shouldn't be to delete a supposed attack page which obviously isn't an attack page. (Even more obviously if you read its target Roberta Marinelli.) I do reasonably expect admins to read and honestly characterise what they see. Invasive Spices (talk) 21:39, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- That was the standard notification for a G10 CSD, and repeating the article title would compound the BLP issue. I'm sorry you did not realize what it was referring to.
- I'm also going to give you a clear, obvious warning against personal attacks.
a WP:POV political WP:GANG. A GANG which suddenly joined together to derail an RFC Talk:Allegations of CIA drug trafficking#RFC on geography by renaming and spamming a different section to make it appear to be the RFC.
is a clear personal attack. Don't do that again or I'll block you. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:48, 22 May 2023 (UTC)- @ScottishFinnishRadish: Call it what you like, you're attacking the firebrigade. Invasive Spices (talk) 21:45, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
June 2023
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 21:52, 15 June 2023 (UTC)- @Tamzin I responded to Fram's comment Special:Diff/1160338325. Are you going to block Fram? Delete Fram's comment and mine? Even lightly suggest everyone in the thread stay on topic? Invasive Spices (talk) 22:00, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
- I told you that if you had an issue with Fram's conduct, to take it to AN/I, not RfD. You made another RfD comment about Fram's conduct, so I blocked you. You're welcome to start an AN/I thread about Fram when the block expires, if you wish (although I'd assess a high boomerang risk). -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 22:05, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
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Redirects and civility
Fram doesn't always have the most delicate touch, Invasive Spices, so I'm going to try to explain this more gently: You have created a large number of redirects that are not likely search terms and, as a result, are going to be deleted. I say "are going to be" and not "might be" because I have been an RfD regular for years, and an RfD admin for a year now, and I can spot a nomination that doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of ending any way but delete, and that's true of >80% of the redirects of yours that have been nominaed.
I understand that it must be very jarring to realize that something you've been doing, that you thought was helping the project, actually was not, in the eyes of your peers. And so there is a temptation to lash out. Right now, some of the things you've said to Fram are close to the border of blockable. Not quite there, but you look like you're on a course for that.
It doesn't have to go that way. If you don't understand why these redirects are unhelpful, I'm happy to explain, or perhaps J947 can, since he's shown some interest in doing so at RfD. Perhaps we can all come to some kind of understanding as to, as J947 alludes, what makes a good redirect. Or, equally valid, you could just walk away from redirects, accepting that it's an area where your sense of what works differs rather strongly from community norms.
But—and I always hate getting to this part of this kind of message, but I sort of have to—if you keep responding to each RfD with personal criticism of the nominator, I'm going to have to block you. And if you keep creating redirects with long unwieldy titles, without making an effort to see why other editors take issue with them, I'm going to have to block you. I don't want that. You don't want that. Let's deescalate things a few notches and figure out where the misunderstanding is here as to what redirects are for. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 00:24, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Tamzin: This is not a
delicate touch
problem. Fram should not have been Special:Diff/901280610 unbanned. - Mass nomination so I struggle to respond is yet an other of Fram's tactics. Several of these are facially inappropriate nominations. Common {{R from subtopic}} mentioned at target with WP:RS:
- These are a deliberate waste of time. Are the admins supporting Fram's problematic conduct again and forbidding me from mounting a proper defense? How does one remedy Fram's saving nominations for months tactic?
- One (that I have been able reply) of these is a continuing WP:IDHT + WP:COMPETENCE problem:
- This I explained months ago. Fram didn't know the word epidemiology and felt no need to understand the target text or the sources before nominating for deletion. (WP:CIR) I explained that and thus Fram has even fewer excuses now. Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 22#Epidemiology of IKBKAP in the United States
personal attacks
— as the diffs reflect very few of my replies contain criticism and only one Special:Diff/1160185112 is a personal criticism. Fram is continuing IDHT+CIR in bad faith. I certainly did not give that a delicate touch.sentences
I have not continued making sentence redirects since first criticised. I think this is a strange objection without explanation or community vetting but there have been several so I stopped. WP:SEARCH works differently from years ago, search engines use them and AI search uses them extensively. I think these are useful but I stopped. I didn't reply with personal attacks. I suggested compromises:- Invasive Spices (talk) 17:12, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
- I think you're misunderstanding the problem, Invasive Spices. Most of these redirects are not written in fluent English. The two examples you give as "facially inappropriate" are not remotely plausible search terms. So, if you have an issue with Fram's conduct, AN/I is that way. Otherwise, please keep your comments focused on the redirects' merits, not accusations of CIR or IDHT. And, since you're invoking IDHT, please listen to what others are saying about these redirects. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 17:30, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Tamzin: Now you've moved the goalposts – to the opposite end of the pitch. Which is it, no sentences or fluent English? Almost no redirects are ever fluent English. Or is this yet another game. Invasive Spices (talk) 20:05, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
- I never said anything about sentences. I said to stop creating "redirects with long unwieldy titles". And yes, any redirect with a descriptive title (i.e., not something's official name) should be in fluent English. Passing by American Jews or Passing in American Jewish culture would be fluent English, for instance. (I'm not prejudging whether either such redirect would be kept at RfD; just that they're grammatically correct.) Jewish passing as indigenous American is, frankly, barely intelligible. You need to step back and realize that your sense of what makes a good redirect differs sharply from the rest of the community's. You've cited WP:CIR several times with respect to Fram. Recall that that essay says that
Everyone has a limited sphere of competence
. For instance, as an admin I rarely deal with edit wars, because it turns out I'm not very good at that. As a content editor I avoid certain articles that I think are best edited by experts. As a technical editor I avoid complex Lua modules. Perhaps creating redirects, at least these kinds of redirects, is simply outside yourlimited sphere
, just like those things are outside of mine. There's no shame in that. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 20:29, 15 June 2023 (UTC)- "Jewish passing as indigenous American" is one of the shorter titles that illustrates a problem that's especially common to the longer ones. There's no article about Jews passing as Native Americans. That being the case, how can we know whether the apocryphal person who searched for the whole phrase instead of a discrete part of it was mostly interested in Jews, Native Americans, or Passing (racial identity)? None of them has any information on the specific topic expressed by the phrase. The one it's redirected to mentions, of several people who've passed as Native Americans, one who happens to have been Jewish, but there's no discussion of it as a general topic. There's just no point to redirects like this. Largoplazo (talk) 17:51, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
- I never said anything about sentences. I said to stop creating "redirects with long unwieldy titles". And yes, any redirect with a descriptive title (i.e., not something's official name) should be in fluent English. Passing by American Jews or Passing in American Jewish culture would be fluent English, for instance. (I'm not prejudging whether either such redirect would be kept at RfD; just that they're grammatically correct.) Jewish passing as indigenous American is, frankly, barely intelligible. You need to step back and realize that your sense of what makes a good redirect differs sharply from the rest of the community's. You've cited WP:CIR several times with respect to Fram. Recall that that essay says that
- @Tamzin: Now you've moved the goalposts – to the opposite end of the pitch. Which is it, no sentences or fluent English? Almost no redirects are ever fluent English. Or is this yet another game. Invasive Spices (talk) 20:05, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
- I think you're misunderstanding the problem, Invasive Spices. Most of these redirects are not written in fluent English. The two examples you give as "facially inappropriate" are not remotely plausible search terms. So, if you have an issue with Fram's conduct, AN/I is that way. Otherwise, please keep your comments focused on the redirects' merits, not accusations of CIR or IDHT. And, since you're invoking IDHT, please listen to what others are saying about these redirects. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 17:30, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
Courtesy note that I have removed you from WP:RWHITELIST. I would have done so earlier, but did not realize you were on it till it was pointed out to me. This does not affect your ability to create redirects, although, as noted, further creations of inappropriate redirects, especially without engaging in dialogue about what constitutes an appropriate redirect, may lead to sanctions. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 20:51, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
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Hello A7V2 Largoplazo Scyrme Devokewater. Please reconsider your votes on Add rendering rules to Graphite. The Linux Foundation source https://www.linux.com/news/graphite-smart-font-technology-comes-foss/ supports this in the Using Graphite section. Invasive Spices (talk) 17:23, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- I don't see anything in that source that resembles an assertion that "add rendering rules to Graphite" is a good Wikipedia redirect title. And if somebody is already reading that source, then either it contains the information they need, or they're going to go straight to the SourceForge resource at the link provided. Why would they stop at Wikipedia and search for a title with that specific wording? And if a user really does want to find info specifically about adding rendering rules to Graphite, why would we provide a redirect to a target that has no such info? Largoplazo (talk) 17:34, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- We don't control where an internet user will search. If they search here this redirect gets them to the correct Graphite (disambiguation). There are several of these. Invasive Spices (talk) 17:50, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- I don't know what you mean by "the correct Graphite (disambiguation)". I don't see how that that disambiguation page is correct, or why you're mentioning it given that the redirect didn't lead there. Besides that, what does control over where an Internet user will search have to do with anything? That still doesn't mean we should make up outlandish phrases and guess that, by some coincidence, a user may some day happen to hit upon it, and especially not when the target is extremely unlikely to be what they're looking for anyway. The point of redirects isn't to have billions and billions of them, every conceivable wording and phrasing, out of shear speculation. Largoplazo (talk) 19:51, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Largoplazo: My meaning is obvious. Which Graphite is a reader searching for? Graphite (disambiguation) shows there are several. Invasive Spices (talk) 20:03, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- Here's a tip: If somebody doesn't understand what you're talking about, then, by definition, your meaning isn't obvious.
- I'm going to guess that what you wrote isn't what you meant. I'm going to guess that you meant that without the redirect, someone entering that search query would wind up on Graphite (disambiguation). Well, it doesn't bother me that that would bring the user to one page that doesn't have the information they're looking for instead of another page that doesn't have the information they're looking for (how to add rendering rules to Graphite). The only additional information it would provide them is that it's a reference to the font technology. But it seems 100% certain that for them to have come up with the query "add rendering rules to Graphite" in the first place, they must already have the context that Graphite is a font technology—how else would they have come up with the desire to know how to add rendering rules to it, or that it has something called "rendering rules"? It's pointless to pretend to have information on a topic when the only bit of info that's here for them is what they already know. Largoplazo (talk) 20:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
But it seems 100% certain that for them to have come up with the query "add rendering rules to Graphite" in the first place, they must already have the context that Graphite is a font technology
It's far lower than 100%. Having some information but not all the information needed is the entire use case of this place. Invasive Spices (talk) 20:17, 19 June 2023 (UTC)- I repeat, with emphasis added: "It's pointless to pretend to have information on a topic when the only bit of info that's here for them is what they already know." Largoplazo (talk) 22:21, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- In that limited case I obviously agree. Invasive Spices (talk) 14:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- I repeat, with emphasis added: "It's pointless to pretend to have information on a topic when the only bit of info that's here for them is what they already know." Largoplazo (talk) 22:21, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Largoplazo: My meaning is obvious. Which Graphite is a reader searching for? Graphite (disambiguation) shows there are several. Invasive Spices (talk) 20:03, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- I don't know what you mean by "the correct Graphite (disambiguation)". I don't see how that that disambiguation page is correct, or why you're mentioning it given that the redirect didn't lead there. Besides that, what does control over where an Internet user will search have to do with anything? That still doesn't mean we should make up outlandish phrases and guess that, by some coincidence, a user may some day happen to hit upon it, and especially not when the target is extremely unlikely to be what they're looking for anyway. The point of redirects isn't to have billions and billions of them, every conceivable wording and phrasing, out of shear speculation. Largoplazo (talk) 19:51, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- We don't control where an internet user will search. If they search here this redirect gets them to the correct Graphite (disambiguation). There are several of these. Invasive Spices (talk) 17:50, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- The purpose of a redirect is to connect a plausible search term to the content the searcher was looking for. To be a good redirect the title of the redirect has to be something that someone could plausibly enter into the search bar and it has to lead to the content that search term refers to.
- In this case neither criteria is met. This is not a plausible search term - who would search an encyclopaedia for random tech support questions? If you want to change a setting on your smartphone do you break out a copy of the Britannica? This also fails the second part - the target article also contains no information on adding rendering rules to graphite, and cannot contain that information because it is out of scope of wikipedia (WP:NOTHOWTO). Why is it useful to send someone searching for this to an article that contains no relevant information? 192.76.8.65 (talk) 20:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
who would search an encyclopaedia for random tech support questions?
That's a large part of our audience. Providing what information we are able without HOWTO is normal. Invasive Spices (talk) 14:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- You just aren't listening are you? You use thinly veiled personal attacks against users advocating deletion of your redirects, but don't seem to see that you have 10 or more users telling you what you are doing wrong and you keep brining up the same irrelevant objections. WP:COMPETENCE goes both ways. One reason this redirect in particular was inappropriate is partly due to the strange wording (it is unusual to have redirects worded as an imperative sentence. This is far from the worst as at least it's not in broken English). Another reason is that there is no discussion in the article of adding rendering rules to graphite. What external sources say is completely irrelevant as the purpose of a redirect is to find wikipedia articles about whatever it is the person is searching. Your reply to Largoplazo on Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 17#Assessing evidence on conservation interventions is a perfect example that you are just not listening, and don't understand the purpose of redirects. Whether or not someone has even the faintest idea about ecological field work is not going to change the fact that this is awkwardly worded, and implausible in the extreme as a search term, and so is inappropriate as a redirect. A7V2 (talk) 01:56, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- Please provide an example of a personal attack.
- The suggestion that no reader will search for any string containing imperative grammar is bizarre. Imperative grammar is somehow the only structure never found in a search query? Have you ever sat with a person watching them use search engines? Among novices it's very common because they don't understand it's not required.
- I will certainly never HT because that's trivially not true. I don't have access to WP data to do the necessary analysis but I'm confident WP is no different.
- Scyrme objected because this does sound like a search query Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 16#Add rendering rules to Graphite and not a {{R with possibilities}}. — Invasive Spices (talk) 14:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- Imperatives can be a reasonable way to search the internet. They probably are not reasonable ways to search Wikipedia. Some of your redirects are things I expect somebody might search for in a search engine such as Google when they DO NOT want to see a Wikipedia article. Somebody who searches Google/Wikipedia/etc. for "ecosystem decay" may want to know what the concept of "ecosystem decay" means, and may be well-served by the Wikipedia article. "Study ecosystem decay" is what somebody who already is familiar with the concept might search for (in e.g. Google, but not Wikipedia) if they are interested in finding various scientific studies of ecosystem decay. I think it is highly unlikely that somebody searching for "study ecosystem decay" would find the Wikipedia article to be very useful.
- "repair iphone" is surely something that is people often search for on the internet. And I'm confident that very few people searching for that are interested in Wikipedia's IPhone#Repairability. They are interested in finding directions (WP:HOWTO) for repairs that they could make themselves, or finding somebody who can perform repairs that they are unable to make themselves. A reasonable search term for a internet-wide search engine is not necessarily a reasonable search term for Wikipedia. Plantdrew (talk) 17:01, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Plantdrew: We can't prevent users from searching as they do. We can cope with the traffic we do receive.
And I'm confident that very few people searching for that are interested in Wikipedia's IPhone#Repairability.
I don't see why. I would do that. Invasive Spices (talk) 17:32, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Please provide an example of a personal attack.
- you can't possibly begin to imagine how much it took out of me to not deliberately misinterpret this request, IS... Dr. Duh 🩺 (talk) 17:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)- @Doctor Duh: Proceed
. Invasive Spices (talk) 17:32, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- Invasive Spices, I have taken a look and honestly believe that you are not fully aware of your request and the potential outcome. To give you a chance to rescind this, are you 100% positive that you want another editor to give you examples from your edits? I would highly suggest that you accept what was said and not continue this request. --Super Goku V (talk) 10:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- In context that was not my intention. In any case I'm prepared for whatever Doctor Duh could possibly be thinking. Invasive Spices (talk) 20:14, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- Gotcha. It turned out that I misunderstood anyways, so that is fine. Just please be cautious with the words that you use. --Super Goku V (talk) 05:23, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- In context that was not my intention. In any case I'm prepared for whatever Doctor Duh could possibly be thinking. Invasive Spices (talk) 20:14, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- Invasive Spices, I have taken a look and honestly believe that you are not fully aware of your request and the potential outcome. To give you a chance to rescind this, are you 100% positive that you want another editor to give you examples from your edits? I would highly suggest that you accept what was said and not continue this request. --Super Goku V (talk) 10:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- @Doctor Duh: Proceed
- I interpret "Requires WP:COMPETENCE to assess this" as effectively a suggestion that those advocating against your position are lacking in competence, which borders on a personal attack (I'm not really fussed either way if it crosses the line, it's not a big deal). I don't care if you agree or disagree. You were also recently blocked for personalising RfD discussions so there's that as well.
- They may well be a way people search, but most of the redirects that have been nominated are not plausible, or are not helpful. I'll note that I've !voted to keep or refine more than most users on these nominations (though I have !voted delete a lot as I've !voted on so many). But I'm not going to continue replying to you if you still aren't going to listen. You haven't addressed the fact that even if "Add rendering rules to Graphite" is a plausible search term (and I mean "term", not a plausible "search phrase"), there was no discussion of this at the target making it an inappropriate redirect anyway. Please consider answering the question I asked you at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 17#Lithium polymer battery market in United States. If you can't or won't answer that then there's really nothing to discuss here. A7V2 (talk) 01:52, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
I interpret…which borders on a personal attack
You shouldn't. I said that about ecological redirects nominated for incomprehensibility. Competence is always an appropriate question in difficult scientific articles, but when the nomination and all Deletes areI don't understand this so delete it
that is a necessary question. Worse, some were nominated by an editor who creates conflicts with me specifically, has a different native language and is in a nonbiological academic field.You were also…
That is the reason entered into the relevant field.I'll note…
You haven't tried to delete everything of mine but you won't join me on any of my Observe gamma diversityGather moribund species dataIntervene to save dying language expeditions either. I understand.no discussion of this
If the related Graphite (smart font technology)#Capabilities and comparison to other smart font technologies isn't sufficient then I agree it isn't in the target.If you can't or won't answer that then there's really nothing to discuss here.
I have replied. I agree it's important but I didn't see it. If you have aanswer now or die
question {{ping}}'s the thing. Invasive Spices (talk) 20:14, 21 June 2023 (UTC)- I disagree with what you are saying about "competence is required" in the context of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 17#Assessing evidence on conservation interventions for two reasons: one is the implication, intentional or otherwise, that those advocating against your position are incompetent. Certainly your answer here makes it sound like you believe that is the case since delete !voters are not subject matter experts. However as I've said already, having subject matter experts give their opinion would in no way change the fact that it is not a plausible search term or a good redirect. There's not even any really technical language being used, it's the imperative sentence begging with "Assessing evidence..." that I objected to. But lets move on from this.
- It wasn't an "answer or die" question when I wrote it, nor was it here now as you hadn't been answering questions here so I felt I was wasting my time. I mentioned it here as an example, and I'm well aware that there are many many discussions of your redirects so you aren't necessarily able to keep tabs on all of them. You were under no obligation to answer, just as I am under no obligation to reply here. Your answer, as with much of what you've said, doesn't make sense, and goes into irrelevant details. Two sentences about things being put onto the market (without the article specifying where) is NOT discussion of the US market. Not everything mentioned in an article, or tangentially relevant, warrants a redirect, especially when it gives the false impression that our article discussed things it does not. Obscure awkward sentences/phrases aren't good redirects either, as many have said. I'm not going to continue replying. You need to move on from this. We can go around in circles for a bit longer but the result will be the same in the end. A7V2 (talk) 01:02, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- "repair iphone" is surely something that is people often search for on the internet. And I'm confident that very few people searching for that are interested in Wikipedia's IPhone#Repairability. They are interested in finding directions (WP:HOWTO) for repairs that they could make themselves, or finding somebody who can perform repairs that they are unable to make themselves. A reasonable search term for a internet-wide search engine is not necessarily a reasonable search term for Wikipedia. Plantdrew (talk) 17:01, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
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