User talk:Ifly6/Gracchi brothers

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Oxford Bibliographies[edit]

Colour me surprised when I realised that the source research has basically already been entirely completed. Just absolutely wonderful. Wikipedia Library link: https://www-oxfordbibliographies-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/view/document/obo-9780195389661/obo-9780195389661-0221.xml?rskey=UPSM6D&result=1&q=gracchus#obo-9780195389661-0221-div1-0010. Ifly6 (talk) 14:12, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to say I lucked into Mackay 2009, which is recommended by Roselaar's (full) bibliography as an up-to-date narrative on the whole period. Ifly6 (talk) 18:22, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Period coins depicting grain[edit]

Hey T8612 again. Are there any coins c. 120 BC which tout grain distributions? I vaguely recall some later, after Sulla, but I'd like to know if there's anything more period. Ifly6 (talk) 01:45, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edit. And if you think of any coins which relate to any of the reforms of any of the brothers, certainly feel free to inform me. Ifly6 (talk) 01:46, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Denarius of Gaius Minucius Augurinus, 135 BC, depicting the Colonia Minucia, which itself showed a grain distribution by Lucius Minucius Augurinus. It shows that grain distribution was already a hot topic several years before Tiberius' tribunate. He or his brother Tiberius probably replaced Octavius as Tribune in 133.[1]
Denarius of Marcus Marcius minted in 134. The modius on the obverse and the corn-ears on the reverse refer to his ancestor Manius Marcius, plebeian aedile c.440 BC, who made a distribution of grain at a cheap price of 1 as per modius.[2]
Most moneyers of the years 123-121 were supporters of C. Gracchus: 123 C. Cato, C. Fannius (son of the consul), M. Papirius Carbo (Pr 114), Minucius Rufus (tribune in 121). Although most betrayed him.[3] Their coins are not really interesting. Gnaeus Papirius (cos 113) was also moneyer in 121, I suppose he supported Gracchus like his brother.
  • Just to say that in order to avoid repetitions, I would have written about the Gracchi's joint legacy and later mentions in Gracchi brothers, as they were almost always considered together after 121, while I would have dealt with their biography in their respective article.
T8612 (talk) 16:07, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I had updated Gracchi brothers some time ago but was reverted without explanation; looking back I think largely because of the big red text saying that the length of the article went down. I therefore focused then on each brother separately, which I still think is the better (and more true to the current scholarship) way of conceiving of them.
The first coin of Augurinus, with the matter of grain being important, I think is a good illustration, especially re the Roman land "crisis" before 133 BC. I'll look to adding it into the draft. Thanks! Ifly6 (talk) 17:19, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@T8612: Should the colonia at right be columna? Ifly6 (talk) 01:56, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you're right. T8612 (talk) 02:53, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Crawford 1974, pp. 273–76.
  2. ^ Crawford 1974, p. 277.
  3. ^ Crawford 1974, p. 75.
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