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Kovur

Hello, Kovur is not a village it is officially placed in our district official website. http://areaprofiler.gov.in/aboutUsIntgeratedPES.do?stateCode=28&lbCode=5729&languageId=1 please see it.

Please check [1] too —IM3847 (talk) 15:42, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

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Original research? Refimprove?

Hey, could you explain this? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 20:19, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

@Hijiri88: sir, Original Research — The lead doesn’t have any citations and hence it may contain original research. Refimprove — Your entire article is just depended on 2 citations, so references should be improved i.e., use more refs. The same applies to many articles you created for Asian Moment, please add references to lead. -IM3847 (talk) 01:19, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Please read WP:LEDECITE. By definition, the lead should not contain anything that isn't also included in the body other than basic information. If you read carefully, you will see that every single article I have submitted so far for WAM contains (a) no information in the lead that isn't also in the body, and (b) no information in the body that isn't cited to independent reliable sources. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:10, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Sir, WP:LEDECITE states avoid redundant citations i.e., atleast a few citations should be mentioned.—IM3847 (talk) 04:23, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
All lead citations are, by definition, redundant, unless the content is either (a) not also verified in the body (i.e., a violation of the guidelines for article leads), (b) an unattributed quotation, which needs a citation each time it is cited or else it is plagiarism (but these should also be avoided in leads), or (c) inherently controversial (among general readers of English Wikipedia), and so needing a citation each time it is written. The content of the Nara Basin lead falls into none of these categories.
I'd much rather write articles than continue discussing about basic sourcing concerns with you, so if you have any further questions please take them to WT:MOS (if you are wondering about the structure and appearance of article leads) or WP:RSN (if your question concerns the general reliability of the sources I cited in the context in which I cited them).
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:12, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
@Hijiri88: Thank you for giving me this information. —IM3847 (talk) 08:36, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Re: Ironic use of the "Thank" tool?

Hey, can I ask why you WP:THANKed me for this and similar edits? It doesn't seem like you agreed with my tagging of the articles, or you wouldn't be continuing to create more articles with the same problems,[2][3] so it really looks like you were being ironic. You may not be aware of this, but sarcasm is not generally appreciated on Wikipedia. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:16, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

@Hijiri88: Sir, I thanked you because I understood mistake and Mandals are revenue divisions in India and every mandal deserves an individual article for them as they are notable as per Wikipedia:NGEO, Iam creating articles for now because no one is going to create them, later we can correct them by adding more citations. Your tags will remind me the issues with them, I think you misunderstood me.-IM3847 (talk) 12:31, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Well, yeah, but you know the WP:WAM criteria require the articles to have been properly copyedited and not to have serious content issues (like overreliance on primary sources), right?
And that is still setting aside the question of whether you are actually creating multiple articles when all but one of them are copy-pastes of the same template, with some statistics taken from the primary sources subbed in and out. The goal is to do the leg-work and create high-quality, new content for the encyclopedia, with rewards for the creation of the most content. Multiple articles on essentially the same topic are not a good idea, and if it weren't for the fact that it would give the impression that I'm deliberately undermining your WAM contributions to increase my own chances of "winning", I would be strongly inclined to say that all but one of the articles you've contributed so far should be merged into a single page. Demographic statistics of the mandals of West Godavari is one topic that would be better covered in a single table (which is how your sources do it), and such a page would potentially run afoul of the "no lists" rule at WAM.
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 20:36, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
These articles are all clearly notable on their own and they do contain quality information. I don't think they deserve their sourcing tags: census reports are primary sources, yes, but these are precisely the kind of sources that should be used for such content. Of course, it would be nice if these articles had more content on stuff other than population statistics, but this issue has to do with what the article doesn't have, not with the sourcing of what it does have. I understand your concerns about WAM, but I think it would be better to try amending its rules to exclude cases like this. – Uanfala 20:48, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Primary sources should not be used as the only sources for an article, as is currently the case with pretty much all the substantial content of these articles, and while I am generally an inclusionist when it comes to standalone articles on toponyms, these particular articles as they have been written so far contain no useful information that wouldn't be better included in a table contained in a single page.
Yeah, I would love to amend the rules of WAM, but it's too late now to do that for this year, especially for me to do it since it would look really GAME-y. I'm pretty sure the same thing was going on last year but I didn't care because I was deliberately focusing on fr.wiki for other reasons, and this year I was still trying to figure out whether WAM would even be happening until the last few days of October. I will probably make a proposal to amend the rules for next year, but at present all I can really do is try to convince IM to try to locate more independent sources that provide unique information on each of the independent topics he/she has been creating articles on. Technically, the articles already do run afoul of the current criterion There must be no major issues with the article, since being based entirely on primary sources is a major issue, but the current wording of the criterion totally undermines this with its parenthetical clarification that "major issues" refer to issues that would lead to the pages getting deleted like copyright violations, questions of notability.
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:17, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
@Hijiri88: I came here totally randomly (not a (talk page stalker)). I have interacted with IM3847 before, and have seen his work often. I can totally assure you he wasnt being ironic, and that he was acting in good-faith. :) —usernamekiran(talk) 17:49, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Sounds legit. I've had some bad experiences with ironic use of the thank function in the past. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 20:36, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
If you've been suspicious of users thanking you, you've probably also noticed that the "thank" button's location is characterised by a very inconvenient adjacency to the "undo" button. – Uanfala 20:48, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Don't get me started on Wikipedia's user interface...... Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:17, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
@Hijiri88: Sir, I'll create Mandal articles for now(WAM), and later when the competition is done we can added more citations. Since this is a contest, Quantity helps us more than Quality and they are in good shape with Census refs. You are free to tag, as later those tags will remind me issues with the article.—IM3847 (talk) 06:32, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
they are in good shape with Census refs They're not, though. You can't base entire articles on primary sources, and you are supposed to exercise extreme care when basing large chunks of articles on them. later those tags will remind me issues with the article Umm... you are aware that WP:WAM#Rules states that [t]here must be no major issues with the article, right? The articles will not pass unless you fix them before they are checked by a judge. Completely setting aside the Wikipedia Asian Ambassador certificate, if only one of your articles satisfies the rules, you won't even get your postcard. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:41, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm well aware of them. The article is not eentirely based on same ref, only Demographics section shares single ref, remaining have their individual Refs. Only news refs are missing and I'll add them by tonight—IM3847 (talk) 06:51, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
I didn't say "single ref"; I said "primary sources". My tag rationales quote the footnote in WP:PRIMARY: census results, [...] investigative reports, [...] tabulated results of surveys or questionnaires. This would seem to cover basically all the sources in all 13 articles. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:52, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
Sir, in India those are the best refs we can get for mandals in India, but we shouldn’t stop creating them. Thats the issue, as I said you are free to tag. Whether the articles qualify WAM or not. I don’t really care about the competition creating the articles is my work and WAM is an on going contest, thats why Iam participating. You can have a look at my User Page. I’m intersed in creating articles rather than editing them. IM3847 (talk) 14:00, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
in India those are the best refs we can get for mandals in India I didn't say it; you did, and I don't necessarily believe you. But if the only sources you can find on a topic are primary sources, then the topics don't meet WP:GNG and the articles should be deleted or merged, and that would violate the specific instructions given for WAM. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 20:17, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
There are hundredss of Indian Mandal articles, how can we delete or merge all of them. Whether my articles pass WAM or not, I should create all articles for mandal in Andhra Pradesh. And please don’t mention they’ll delete or merge, that process will destroy thousands of articles under WikiProject India and please list me primary sources in article and I've added a few secondary, please check them.—IM3847 (talk) 10:19, 6 November 2017 (UTC)IM3847 (talk) 04:32, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
There are hundredss of Indian Mandal articles I know. And I just checked. I don't appreciate you calling me "aggressive" in an edit summary after yourself coming after an article I wrote, so you really should have anticipated me figuring out that you didn't even write the articles you submitted yourself; you copy-pasted at least half, probably much more, of the running prose from one or more other Wikipedia articles.
how can we delete or merge all of them Please actually read my comments before blanking/dismissing/non-responding to them. You are the one who said you couldn't find non-primary sources to write these articles, and I explicitly said I don't believe you.
Whether my articles pass WAM or not, I should create all articles for mandal in Andhra Pradesh. Please provide proper attribution if/when you do so. You can't copy-paste within Wikipedia and implicitly claim that you created the text in question, let alone explicitly do so by submitting them to WAM.
And please don’t mention they’ll delete or merge, that process will destroy thousands of articles under WikiProject India Again, you said that the only sources are primary sources. I said you are probably wrong. That's the opposite of posting the articles for deletion. That said, your argument reads a lot like WP:OSE, and I would advise against it if someone ever does try to merge and/or TNT-delete any of your articles.
please list me primary sources in article If you want a mentor, request one. I am too busy with WAM and Kakinomoto no Hitomaro at the moment to explain to you the difference between WP:PRIMARY and WP:SECONDARY. I already linked you to the relevant policy page; if you can't read it, please ask someone else.
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:13, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Another question?

Hey, how much of your template did you take from Vin09 (talk · contribs)'s 2014-2015 draft of the Eluru mandal article? I am really uncomfortable with you posting the same article multiple times with a few statistics switched out, but it gets even uglier when you are copy-pasting another Wikipedian's work without proper attribution. Comparing the last version of the Lingapalem mandal solely edited by you to the above we get:

Eluru mandal is one of the 46 mandals in West Godavari district of the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh. It is administered under Eluru revenue division and its headquarters are located at Eluru city. The mandal is bounded by Pedapadu mandal, Pedavegi mandal, Denduluru mandal, Bhimadole mandal and it also borders Krishna district. [...] As of 2011 census, the mandal had a population of 319,405. The total population constitute, 157,783 males and 161,622 females —a sex ratio of 1024 females per 1000 males. 29,992 children are in the age group of 0–6 years, of which 15,295 are boys and 14,697 are girls. The average literacy rate stands at 81.60% with 236,156 literates. [...] As of 2011 census, the mandal has 22 settlements. It includes 1 city, 4 census towns, 2 out growths and 15 villages. Eluru (rural) is the most populated and Manuru is the least populated village in the mandal. The settlements in the mandal are listed below:
vs.
Lingapalem mandal is one of the 46 mandals in West Godavari district of the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh. The headquarters are located at Lingapalem town. The mandal is bounded by T.Narasapuram, Chintalapudi on North, Khammam district on West, Kamavarapukota on East, Pedavegi on South [...] As of 2011 census, the mandal had a population of 58,360 in 15,626 Households. The total population constitute, 29,546 males and 28,814 females with a sex ratio of 976 females per 1000 males. 5,786 children are in the age group of 0–6 years, of which 2,896 are boys and 2,890 are girls. The average literacy rate stands at 67.60% with 35,553 literates [...] As of 2011 census, the mandal has 24 settlements, of which all are villages. Lingapalem is the largest whereas Malleswaram is the smallest village in terms of population. The settlements in the mandal are listed below:

I mean, you are free to copy within Wikipedia, but you are supposed to provide some form of attribution, and your submitting all of these copy-pasted articles to WAM implies you claim credit for "creating" the text in question, which you don't appear to have. I have seen a lot of users make this kind of mistake in the past, so I leave open the possibility that Vin09 copied you and didn't provide the proper attribution, but your first edits to en.wiki were after that Eluru article was written, so it seems unlikely. I also recognize that you may have copied the rest of your text from someone else.

And all of your other mandal articles include pretty much all of the same copy-pasted text.

And I say this as someone who bears no ill will toward Feminist (talk · contribs) who with this edit inadvertently prevented me from entering one of my own articles I was planning on submitting to WAM; they did nothing wrong, but if they had not credited me and had submitted it to WAM themself, that would have been out of line.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:13, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

@Hijiri88: Mostly all Villages, Towns and Districts in Andhra Pradesh follow the same template. Iam really feeling discomfortable with your discussion now and at this moment your words I also recognize that you may have copied the rest of your text from someone else feels like Wikipedia:Harassment and Wikipedia:AGGRESSIVE. Demographics section was sorted out of a template article Jointly developed by me and User:Vin09 while discussing about creating mandal articles. You mentioned Eluru mandal, Iam a resident of Eluru and I'm the major contributor to that article.—IM3847 (talk) 11:29, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I am making you feeling uncomfortable, but you must understand that I am just explaining Wikipedia policy to you like everyone else should have already done. If I am coming off as hostile ... well, that might be the case. I have noticed that you have very clearly been stalking my entries to WAM (as soon as I started posting, you tagged one of my articles and attacked the rest, implying you had read them, and since then every time I have entered new articles you have responded almost immediately by pushing yourself exactly one article ahead of me). Please stop it.
And no, the quote I also recognize that you may have copied the rest of your text from someone else is neither WP:HARASSMENT nor particularly aggressive; it's about the most polite way I can say that I think it's possible you copy-pasted the rest of your text from somewhere else, and that's not even an unfair assumption given the above evidence that roughly half of each of your articles was copied from that article by Vin09. If Vin09 copied it from somewhere else on-wiki -- well, they were also in the wrong, but I never had them try to constantly one-up me in WAM with their copy-pasted articles.
You mentioned Eluru mandal, Iam a resident of Eluru and I'm the major contributor to that article. Okay, you're making it really obvious that you are not reading my comments before replying to them. I don't care where you live, and even if you are a major contributor to the Eluru mandal article, you didn't create the original draft of it, and you didn't create the text you copy-pasted from it to create your 18 recent mandal articles.
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:39, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
BTW, I'm tired of interacting with you. Stop pinging me. Stop monitoring my WAM contributions (if you want to get the highest number of entries, please keep an eye on all participants; don't just try to one-up me while ignoring whoever is actually in the lead at any given time, as you did with your 19th entry). You can keep violating other Wikipedians' copyright for all I care, but I have notified one of the organizers of this discussion for the record. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:50, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
@Hijiri88: As I said before I'm not interested in WAM, I've been creating mandal articles for an Year, from the last month I got free and creating even more articles and I clearly don't want to outnumber your articles, I create my articles to my heart's extent. Thanks for notifying User:SuperHamster.—IM3847 (talk) 11:52, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Apparently I wasn't clear. When I said "Stop pinging me", I meant stop typing {{Ping|Hijiri88}}. Stop it now. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:56, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

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