User talk:Dormskirk/Archive 10

Linking countries

What do you mean? I see links to countries all over the place. Where are you getting that idea? Where is that in print on the site? Infactinteresting (talk) 03:29, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Infactinteresting Please see WP:OVERLINK. Examples of things that should not be linked "generally includes major examples of: countries (e.g., Japan/Japanese, Brazil/Brazilian)". Dormskirk (talk) 09:17, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

It's not followed. The site has enough difficulties before trying "new" stuff. Infactinteresting (talk) 10:08, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Please take another look at the guideline: there is nothing "new"about it: the guideline has been in place for many years. Dormskirk (talk) 10:11, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

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Crawley Town Hall

Thanks for writing this one! I'll try to get a pic of the new one when it is finished. I think I have some more of the demolished one to be uploaded in my vast "Pics to Upload" folder. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 08:09, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Hassocks5489 - Many thanks for that. Is there any chance of you getting a pic of the new town hall as it is now? My understanding is that the external works are finished. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 09:57, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I should have a chance to drop into Crawley town centre before the end of the year; I've got one or two other bits to photograph there, so I'll put it on my priority list. I can probably take a day off next month or something and go up on the bus. I'll keep you updated. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 10:15, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Hassocks5489 - That's great. Many thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 10:19, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Hassocks5489 - Just to let you know that the article has an image now, but thanks anyway. Dormskirk (talk) 11:41, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

High Profile Events

Hi, Could I ask for you input at Talk:Richard Cripwell? Thanks. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 23:54, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 23:55, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

That was quick! Thank you. Could I ask your advice about the broader pattern of apparent promotional editing? Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 23:59, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

I suggest you make similar comments on the talk pages of the other articles you are concerned about. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 00:01, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 00:07, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

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Notability of investment trusts

Rather than burying your head in the sand and pretending that these articles don't have an issue, it would be more productive if you focussed your efforts on improving them. Most of these are just placeholder articles, stating it was formed, has a non-notable chairman and a non-notable manger. Articles should demonstrate notability by illustrating what a company actually has done? Heronjoms (talk) 00:18, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

As I have explained on your talk page I have spent most of the last 15 years improving FTSE 250 Index articles. These are all either FTSE 250 Index companies or former FTSE 250 Index articles. Dormskirk (talk) 00:20, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Bully for you, doesn't mean that you have always been successful. That some of these remain as nothing but stub articles with only basic facts more than a decade after they were created demonstrates why the hatnote is justified. A basic history of what a company has done or does, what it has invested in etc, would be a start. Just being formed, having a chairman, a manager and being listed on the FTSE doesn't get an article over the notability threshold. So at the risk of repeating myself, if you could focus on improving the articles rather than shooting the messenger, that would be more productive. Heronjoms (talk) 00:32, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I will leave it to you. At least I have tried to write or improve articles on most FTSE 250 companies and will continue to do so. All you have done is criticised the work of others. Dormskirk (talk) 00:41, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

What I have done is highlight that there is an issue with these articles. That companies existing for over 100 years only have a few basic facts, falls below the requirements of WP:N. If nominated for deletion, would likely be on the basis that notability has not been demonstrated, your argument for keeping would I presume only be on the basis that they are in they are FTSE 250. So now you are aware of the issue, you can try to improve these articles which may head off any future attempt to have articles deleted. Heronjoms (talk) 00:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Smiths Group PLC wikipedia entry

Hi, I’m Tom and I work in the communications team at Smiths Group. I spotted you have been involved in reviewing edits to the Wikipedia article for Smiths Group. There are a few pieces that need updating so I have gone away and sourced coverage for these, namely the sale of Smiths Medical and the appointment of Paul Keel as CEO. Would we be able to get in touch and send them over? Thanks! SteinerTom1 (talk) 12:12, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi - Thanks for getting in touch. I suggest you declare your conflict of interest on the article talk page and also log your request there using the {{request edit}} template so that other editors can take a look. Thanks, Dormskirk (talk) 12:21, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Sedgwick Group image

I had a question about the file File:Sedgwickgrouplogo.png that you uploaded in 2009 (a while ago I know), which is used as the logo on Sedgwick Group's article. The file information says you obtained it from the "Sedgwick Group website" but it appears to be the 2009 logo of the American third-party administrator company Sedgwick (in 2009 called Sedgwick CMS, but they later dropped the CMS from their name), which is an unrelated company that just happens to have the same name and also is an insurance-related company. I can't find any website for the Sedgwick Group company so I just wanted to check with you and see if maybe you grabbed the wrong logo by mistake? - Aoidh (talk) 06:38, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

It looks like sedgwick.com previously belonged to the Sedgwick Group via Marsh but then in January 2009 was taken over by another company before becoming a redirect to the American company's then-website sedgwickcms.com. I think what might have happened is you went to the Sedgwick Group's old website sedgwick.com and grabbed the logo in 2009, but since it became the American company's website you grabbed the wrong company's logo. That's my theory, but I wanted to check with you before I did anything. - Aoidh (talk) 06:45, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for blowing up your talk page, but it turns out I'm wrong. Sedgwick Group did use that logo and I guess maybe the American company bought the rights to the logo and took it over? I'm not sure and that's very confusing that they would use the same logo and name. Sorry for blowing up your talk page with this. - Aoidh (talk) 06:54, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

OK. No problem. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 08:51, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Your recent edit of Woolwich Garrison

Hi, I saw you recently removed a source from the article. I am not the person that originally introduced that reference, but I was wondering why you think the source fails to meet WP:CITE and WP:RS standards? I am not passing judgement or disagreeing, just curious to understand your reasoning as you're a much more experienced editor. Thanks. Jtrrs0 (talk) 11:34, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Jtrrs0 Apologies - my mistake - I removed the wrong bit of text and and have now self-reverted. Many thanks for spotting. Dormskirk (talk) 12:51, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

No worries! Glad to help. Best, Jtrrs0 (talk) 12:52, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

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Ferry fiasco

[[1]] - harsh ... or was I too soft? I just felt that some of the statements - eg:

CalMac’s requirement called for the engines to use either marine diesel oil or liquefied natural gas, the LNG being used to reduce emissions. Late in 2015 CalMac commissioned Herbert Engineering Corp. to review of some of these aspects. The review was delivered on 8 April 2016 but the procurement process was already committed and construction was under way.

seemed possibly sourceable, so the citation needed tags should have more than a few hours to prompt some RS.

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Springnuts (talk) 13:25, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

I take a pretty strict view of our guidelines. If material is not properly sourced within a few hours, I believe it should be removed. Especially for a sensitive article like this. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 13:59, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

It can always be re-added - if sources exist. Springnuts (talk) 22:11, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Bexhill Town Hall ... and Crawley

I've just found, from my daily trawling of the NHLE, that Bexhill was Grade II-listed on Friday. (About time too!) I'll update the article over the course of today to include some stuff from the listing particulars and the latest Pevsner, which I have. I've got a recent photo which might be clearer than the current infobox picture as well. Meanwhile, Crawley is still on my radar for photos, but I think my visit will have to be pushed back to January: the autumn has been unexpectedly busy with one thing and another. I'll keep you updated. Cheers, Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 11:17, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Great. Many thanks for that, Dormskirk (talk) 11:34, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

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London Wiki

Any contributions you can make to London Wiki are welcome. Jackiespeel (talk) 12:45, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 13:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

New IPs on the Linde plc vandal

The Linde plc vandal is active on newer IPs 91.184.121.153 and 91.184.121.178 (and the range 91.184.121.0/23). Examples of habitual behavior on Lenovo, ICON PLC (1) ICON PLC (2), Dove (toiletries). 58.232.210.58 (talk) 12:55, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 13:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Help with St. James's Place plc article

Hello. I recently posted an edit request to better structure the content of the St. James's Place plc article and include new information. As you are the original author of this article (back in 2008) and continue to actively edit articles related to finance and FTSE companies, I would be grateful for your help with implementing these changes. Thanks in advance. WJack11 (talk) 10:29, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi - I have responded to edit requests out of turn in the past but have faced criticism for so doing. Please be patient. There are over 240 edit requests currently awaiting attention. Best wishes, Dormskirk (talk) 10:38, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

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Mayne

Thanks for creating Perry Mayne, I've got him on my to-do list. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 15:35, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

...and the other Nore commanders! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 15:36, 10 January 2023 (UTC).

No problem. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 15:38, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Emanuela Orlandi

Please do not undo my contributions as you did today while I was still editing and adding citations. You were right to say citations were missing but I would have added them anyway today - I have just wasted time re-editing and adding citations only to find you had cancelled it again - please be patient and assume good faith. DH987 (talk) 23:47, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi - You need to add citations as you go along. You cannot just chose to add the citations later. Dormskirk (talk) 23:55, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

I tried to add the citations about 20 minutes later- you shouldn't be pouncing on contributions so quickly. Also I see my later contributions, fully cited and completely accurate, were later removed. The Wikipedia English language version of this article is very sketchy, unlike me most readers don't speak Italian, it would be useful if it gave more detail. Most citations will be (necessarily) to Italian language publications, this is not a reason to remove them. DH987 (talk) 17:12, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with citations which are in Italian but quite a lot of the new material involved poor grammar and syntax. Several editors including myself are spending quite a bit of time copy editing it. Also some of the material is referenced to "The Sun" which is not considered a reliable source: see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Please can you add a better citation? Thanks, Dormskirk (talk) 17:21, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Clara Pensions

Hi there, My name is Maddy, and I work for Headland Consultancy. We are a PR firm that represents a number of clients, including Clara Pensions. Clara Pensions is a relatively new UK pensions provider which is part of a new breed of pension “superfunds”. These superfunds have been created to bridge the gap for defined benefit pension schemes who are looking to transfer their pension members to an insurer, but cannot yet afford to do so. Clara is the first (and so far only) superfund to be approved by the Pensions Regulator. It expects to start transactions and welcome its first pension scheme members later in 2023.

I’m getting in touch with you today because I can see that you’ve written and contributed to a number of different pages about major UK pensions and financial services providers, including Hargreaves Lansdown and Standard Life. Given your established presence as a Wikipedia editor in this sector, I was wondering if you would be interested in creating an article about Clara Pensions. Given that it’s a fairly recent challenger in the British pensions market, it has yet to have a Wikipedia page. I hope you will consider making this contribution to Clara’s Wikipedia presence. Do let me know if you have any questions or require any further information on the above. Thanks, Maddy Maddyruthg19 (talk) 16:06, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi - This is not for me. I primarily write articles on FTSE 350 companies, armed forces officers and public buildings. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 17:00, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi,

No worries - thanks for letting me know! Maddyruthg19 (talk) 17:11, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Links

Please explain each de-linking.Infactinteresting (talk) 19:48, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi - Please see WP:REDLINK and WP:WRITEITFIRST which explains why we do not use redlinks in lists. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 19:50, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Is there a Barnstar for being kind to editors regardless of their inability to grasp basic guidelines? If not, there should be. (This barnstar was prompted but not inspired by the most recent incident; I've witnessed your Barnstar-deserving interactions for a long time.) JSFarman (talk) 17:58, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

JSFarman That's very kind - much appreciated. Many thanks, Dormskirk (talk) 18:00, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Shoreditch Town Hall

Can you correct the Info Box - the 'Listed Building header' has been slightly 'dislocated'. Jackiespeel (talk) 20:40, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Sorted. Thanks for alerting me. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 20:42, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Infoboxes and tables are easy to dislocate for those who don't do them regularly. I prefer chasing up the info. Jackiespeel (talk) 12:44, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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Administrators Noticeboard Discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is New user WP:PROXYING. Thank you. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:29, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Noted. Many thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 09:30, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Royal Air Force

Plesse respond TO ME ON RAF TALK PAGE THANKS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:3A65:BE00:9CDA:E890:A407:7AC8 (talk) 23:43, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I have already commented. Dormskirk (talk) 23:46, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Jamieson Corporate Finance

Hi. I noticed you are based in the UK right now and write a lot of finance articles. So you're probably more experienced at this than me.

I'm thinking of writing an article on Jamieson Corporate Finance. Its a sort of top 20 investment bank by deal value based in UK.Been there since 2004 so it isn't exactly brand new.

For some reason however, I cannot seem to find many sources on it for some reason. Nothing of the independent or useful in depth coverage that would make it notable.

Just wondering from a quick searching using your usual sourcing methods, are you able to find anything on it? If not then I guess its just not notable enough. Imcdc Contact 12:32, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi - I have had a quick look but I am also struggling to find much in the way of reliable independent sources. Sorry. Dormskirk (talk) 14:32, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Linde plc vandal again

Hey there, this LTA is still doing its thing damaging company articles as usual. I'm probably missing more IPs but here are the ones so far.

• 5.178.205.182 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

• 86.98.142.37 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

• 98.23.20.211 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

• 103.210.146.89 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

• 139.5.49.100 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

• 212.58.102.144 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

126.40.25.143 (talk) 20:40, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi - I see that you have notified User:ToBeFree as well. That's great. Many thanks, Dormskirk (talk) 00:02, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I see you've reverted yet another one of this LTA as 24.97.200.194 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) at PwC. They have also damaged various other articles, including on Stellantis, Trane Technologies, Trend Micro, Lenovo, Stop & Shop, JBL and Novartis. Cheers. 49.229.160.232 (talk) 22:58, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi - Noted. Thanks, Dormskirk (talk) 23:53, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Scottish Amicable Life Assurance

Hello again.

Could you have a look at the above company for me. It has been moved to draft space on the grounds that there were not multiple sources. This is cetainly true for the early history as the only source is the official history, - I could not find anything else. The end of Scottish Amicable was sourced from the Times and Companies House.

In the context of the history of the insurance industry, particularly in Scotland, Scottish Amicable was a substantial institution and I think it would be a loss to Wikipediai f it were not included, perhaps with a banner saying it was largely drawn from one source. I could manufacure a couple of references to its existence from a 1908 and a 1930 directory, to confirm its existence but it would not add anything.

When I wrote the entry for Scottish Mutual, its founder was Adam Keir Rodger, for whom there was already an article. It was five lines only with a couple of references drawn from the internet. There seemed to be no objection to that.

Regards Bebington (talk) 17:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi - I can see the problem. You seem to have taken everything from two sources ((i) A History of Scottish Amicable Life Assurance Society 1826-1976, Glasgow, 1976 and (ii) The Times). Personally, I am very conscious of this issue when I write content and aim to have at least ten different sources before I start an article. I suggest you expand the article to introduce a few more sources e.g. this, this, relating to the company's premises, this, also relating to premises, this, this, relating to the company's commercial advertising, this, this, relating to litigation etc. It is always good to have a section on "premises" or "offices" because it introduces opportunities to insert some photographs. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 17:19, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you.

I have inserted two or three references taken from insurance directories. I have also put in links to the two most recent head offices. I have put in the legal case but I wouldn’t have done it normally as I don’t have the knowledge to provide a context. There is nothing else I can easily find short of ging to the archives.

I hope you can put this back into circulation. It is the fourteenth insurance history that I have written so far and many of them do have to rely on official histories. But I think it better than javing no record of these once important companies.

Regards

Bebington (talk) 15:44, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

I think you could ask the editor who "draftified" it whether they are content for it to be moved to mainspace (or if not if they could give you further suggestions). Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 16:25, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Whitechapel Civic Centre

Thanks for the quick update! There's a related thread at Talk:Tower Hamlets Town Hall about what we should do with that now-obsolete article title, if you have any thoughts. Belbury (talk) 20:15, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that. One possibility for the old building is "Old Town Hall, Tower Hamlets". "Mulberry Place" would also work. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 20:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Paul Stevenson

Hi! I happened to stumble across this Telegraph obituary earlier. Surprisingly, Paul Stevenson (Royal Marines officer) is a red link. I was toying with turning it blue but I can find next to nothing on him online. Wondered if you had any ideas? Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:46, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@HJ Mitchell Hi - Yes, I saw this obituary myself. There is this Falklands Islands Association article (page 12) and probably some material in the London Gazette as well e,g his commission in 1958, his MBE in 1975 and his OBE in 1985. The Telegraph article is comprehensive and taken together with the Falklands Islands article and the London Gazette there should be enough to draft an article. Best wishes, Dormskirk (talk) 19:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Chief of the Air Staff

The appointment of Sir Richard Knighton has been approved and confirmed by the King - this means his name will have been submitted by the Prime Minister, and therefore the process is complete. Air Marshal Sir Richard Knighton appointed new Chief of the Air Staff

Hammersfan (talk) 15:44, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

OK. Agreed. My apologies. Dormskirk (talk) 15:47, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

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Ranger Regiment

Thanks for the additional ref Dormskirk. Was it clear that the data was originally sourced from the first reference, the British Army one year of the regiment, that I added? Buckshot06 (talk) 22:54, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

No problem. I tend to take the view that the reference needs to be at the end of the sentence or paragraph. So, in short I don't think it was clear, but I was happy to add an extra source anyway. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 23:27, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Knighton

If you want some sort of hook for this guy, he's at least the second engineer as CAS in the RAF family, after RNZAF.. Buckshot06 (talk) 02:34, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for that. Dormskirk (talk) 09:35, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Flag icons in RAF infobox

What is the issue with adding flag icons (even just a national flag) to the infobox? I understand that the MOS states not to, but is almost a standard feature on nearly every military page. I can see why excess flag icons, such as for commanders, are too much (despite being present on the much larger United States Air Force page), but surely a small, national flag is acceptable?

I also believe that added visual information is much easier to process, and opens up the infobox as a more inviting resource, rather than what is quite frankly boring and bland. I believe that we will have to agree to disagree, and I do see your reasoning, but in order to keep the Royal Air Force page looking interesting, presentable and in comparison with other countries air force pages, I suggest that the use of flag icons should be accepted. J.Weir3 (talk) 15:14, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

As I have already explained in my edit summary the issue is MOS:INFOBOXFLAG. If you have a problem with this please take it up on the talk page so other editors can contribute. Thank you. Dormskirk (talk) 15:23, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Unilever

Hi Domskirk

I saw that you contributed a few times to the article on Unilever, and wondered if I could ask your advice on updating some out-of-date parts to the article. I am an employee at the company and noticed that there are a few sections which aren’t fully up to date. The most notable one is the corporate restructure that took place last year (dividing Unilever into 5 business groups); I’ve also included a few of the most recent notable acquisitions which hadn’t been recorded, as well as latest updates in the Senior Leadership sub-heading.

I’ve had a first go at coding up some out-of-date sections below. What do you think?

Article summary Unilever is organised into five business groups: Beauty & Wellbeing, Personal Care, Home Care, Nutrition, Ice Cream, where each business group is fully responsible for setting its own strategy globally.

History 2021-present In April 2021 Unilever announced the acquisition of US [Dietary supplement|supplements] and sports nutrition brand Onnit. In May, Unilever acquired a majority stake in hair wellness brand Nutrafol. As a result of the deal, Nutrafol now operates as part of Unilever’s Beauty and Wellbeing business group. In June 2021, Unilever announced the acquisition of skin care brand Paula’s Choice for $2 billion.

Corporate operations (to follow legal structure) Company Structure In July 2022, Unilever restructured its operating model organised around category-focused Business Groups. The company replaced its previous matrix structure with five Business Groups: Beauty & Wellbeing, Personal Care, Home Care, Nutrition, Ice Cream. Each Business Group is fully responsible for setting its own strategy globally.

Senior management In January 2019, Alan Jope succeeded Paul Polman as the chief executive officer. The chief financial officer, Graeme Pitkethly, is executive director. Jope was proposed as joint executive director at Unilever's 2019 AGM. In September 2022, Jope announced his intention to retire at the end of 2023. Unilever appointed Jope’s successor in January 2023, Hein Schumacher who is currently the CEO of Dutch dairy co-operative FrieslandCampina and already sits on Unilever’s board.

References

Hi - As you have a conflict of interest you need to propose the changes on the article talk page. You also need to make sure all the facts are full sourced (there are a few above which are not). Please also remember to apply the Request edit template so other editors become aware of what you are proposing. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 12:02, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Simon Gass

Can you assist with the infobox for Simon Gass? He is stepping down from the JIC yet I can't figure it out.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-intelligence-committee-chair-appointed-madeleine-alessandri-cmg

TShape12 (talk) 05:54, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I think it is sorted now. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 08:33, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

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RELX page

Hi Dormskirk, re https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wll#c-Wll-20230524122500-Dormskirk-20230524115400,

Ah, I thought referencing https://www.polygon.com/2018/2/26/17053662/reedpop-gamer-network-owner would be enough. Would this be better:

ReedPop, part of RX, organises popular culture events including New York Comic Con, Chicago Comic & Entertainment Expo and PAX.. In February 2018, ReedPop acquired Gamer Network, a British Mass Media company that owns a number of video game journalism sites including Eurogamer, Rock Paper Shotgun and VG247. Wll (talk) 14:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

References

Yes, that looks fine. Thanks, Dormskirk (talk) 14:10, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Corran Purdon

Hi, I cannot thank you enough for your contributions to the Corran Purdon article which, as you've probably realised, I'm trying to improve. One thing confuses me however; you (and another editor) have reverted the name "Londonderry" to "Derry". I'm absolutely on top of the naming convention and have no disagreement with it but, the link I have provided takes you to a page in Purdon's own book and he names the city as Londonderry. Shouldn't it be kept as that? Leitrim Lad (talk) 16:59, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Leitrim Lad - Many thanks for your kind words. Purdon would have certainly known the city as "Londonderry" and that is what British soldiers generally called it. However, this is wikipedia and, following the Derry/Londonderry name dispute, in 2004, it was proposed and agreed that all editors should call the city "Derry" on wikipedia. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 17:19, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

You are very welcome. I realise my shortcomings as a new editor and appreciate guidance and asistance. I feel I should point out however that Purdon was Irish and proud of it and I think we should try to mirror his exact words perhaps by allowing "Londonderry" as the quote but highlighting "Derry" in brackets afterwards. I have to admit to some consternation as to why he has used the prefix. Having contributed to the article on the city myself in support of the generic name "Derry" I know that everyone used that name and continues to do so except for those who have a political motivation. The Derry article does provide for the use of both by pointing out that Londonderry is the official name.Leitrim Lad (talk) 14:55, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

My advice to you would to be very careful with this: it is a well-trodden area and very sensitive on wikipedia. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 14:58, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate you saying so. I certainly wouldn't want to offend any sensibilities but I feel some sort of compromise is necessary here - we can be a little thin skinned over things like this sometimes. Leitrim Lad (talk) 15:26, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) If you were quoting him verbatim, then of couse you would use his exact words. Is there a neat little quote you could use here? PamD 18:31, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

If we were writing about a Frenchman who had reminisced about his student days in London, we wouldn't mention that he called it "Londres". Not quite the same, but similar. Wikipedia has agreed on Derry as the name, in Wikipedia's versions of English. PamD 18:36, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

It's very kind of you to try to help. I've found a solution which appears to be within WP:Derry. Leitrim Lad (talk) 15:27, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Once again I must thank you. I notice how you come in and clean up my errors after I finish editing for the day.Leitrim Lad (talk) 14:55, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

No problem. Best wishes, Dormskirk (talk) 16:44, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Is what you've been doing for me par for the course or is there something I can learn from this experience, i.e. how to write down the references properly so you (or any other) doesn't have to come behind me to tidy things up? Leitrim Lad (talk) 15:37, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi - Thanks for that. I will put a note on your page about converting bare urls into proper references. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 17:38, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

British Army Training Unit Kenya

Can you please add back the information I wrote under Infrastructure improvements on British Army Training Unit Kenya. I do not know why it was removed. is the british army not a reliable source..? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Militaryfactchecker (talk • contribs) 19:33, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

It is a primary source: please see WP:PRIMARY. Please see the discussion on the talk page, which is the right place to debate this. Dormskirk (talk) 20:33, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

1. Primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them."

Militaryfactchecker (talk) 20:58, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

As, I have already said, please see the discussion on the talk page, which is the right place to debate this. Dormskirk (talk) 21:03, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

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n dash?

I saw your recent revision on the Battle of Cable Street and I was just curious what an "n dash" is. On the revision it looks the exact same, I don't see what has changed. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 10:36, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Many times I have seen revisions where the text looks exactly the same and I am not sure what people are doing. I'm still new to many aspects of how wiki works despite editing for three years. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 10:36, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi - An "n dash" or "endash" is slightly wider than a hyphen and is wikipedia's preferred option for date ranges. see MOS:DATERANGE. For a layman's view see En dash. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 10:47, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

J A & P Holland

hi. I have just updated the Elizabeth Shaw (confectionery company) page as part of my work on Cavenham Foods. One of Cavenham's purchases, J A & P Holland, reputedly the world's largest toffee manufacturer, was listed on the LSE. Do you think we should add the Category:Companies formerly listed on the London Stock Exchange to the page?Davidstewartharvey (talk) 07:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi - Only if Elizabeth Shaw was itself listed on the LSE. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 07:35, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Davidstewartharvey But the incoming redirect from J A & P Holland, which ought to exist (with or without full stops? probably both), could be so categorised (just the one, most definitive, version of the redirect). It's bolded in the lead, so there ought already to be a redirect to justify that bolding. PamD 08:41, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

And needs a mention in Holland_(disambiguation)#Brands_and_enterprises. PamD 08:42, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi thanks to you both Dormskirk & Pam Davidstewartharvey (talk) 08:47, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

And that redirect could have a few other categories too, eg for year of foundation, UK confectionery companies, etc. PamD 08:47, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Davidstewartharvey Looking at the Eliz Shaw article there seem to be a lot of useful redirects and/or dab page entries to be made: they help the reader who wants to find out about Ewbanks or whatever, and also help prevent a future careless editor from creating a duplicate article unaware of the info already available in the encyclopedia. (Yes, I'm a bit of a redirect and dab page enthusiast!) And it's a useful way to put subtopics into categories appropriately, too. PamD 08:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Pam already on the case!Davidstewartharvey (talk) 08:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

PWC & AFP

Re my comment: This raises the issue of a perceived conflict of interest on the part of the AFP's commissioner.

Seriously - does everything need a reference? I thought I was just stating the bleedingly obvious.

Would this do?: https://www.apsc.gov.au/publication/aps-values-and-code-conduct-practice/section-5-conflict-interest

or does it need to already spelt out in some article online? I'm not really up to speed with Wikipedia standards. 1.43.41.96 (talk) 09:57, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, anything remotely controversial needs properly sourcing. The source you propose looks fine. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 10:06, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Just PwC generally. Cited references 291 & 292 are identical. Does that matter? 1.43.41.96 (talk) 08:19, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Good spot. I have now consolidated them into one reference. Thanks, Dormskirk (talk) 10:04, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Thames Water edits

Hi - thank you for your message. as I wrote in the talk page of Thames Water, all conclusions derive from the two sources I list which are reliable as they are the official accounts and debt documents of Thames Water. I struggle to understand how else I should do it, but if you give me some hints, that would be great appreciated. Thanks Jaeljojo (talk) 17:45, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi - Please read WP:RS. Each fact should be cited to reliable, independent, published sources. The only sources you have cited are both company publications. You need to use independent sources such as financial newspapers and cite on a line by line basis (like the rest of the article). Dormskirk (talk) 18:07, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Infobox placement

Hey, thanks for correcting my edit on Qinetiq. I'd just noticed how the description wasn't appearing properly in the mobile app links and thought changing the placement might sort it but what you've done seems to be working now 👍 Fones4jenke (talk) 18:29, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Great. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 18:30, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

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Rear Admiral Robert G Pedre Biography

Thank you for your input, but there are a number of inaccuracies. An official bio with more detail is online at:

https://2bsecurityforum.ro/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/REAR-ADMIRAL-ROBERT-G-PEDRE-ROYAL-NAVY-CV_.pdf

This was published for the Black Sea and Balkans Security Forum where Admiral Pedre spoke. 185.13.50.208 (talk) 09:18, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi - Thank you for this. I have adjusted the date of Pedre's posting to Ocean from 2017 to 2016. I cannot see any other discrepancies. WP:RS requires that "Articles should be based on reliable, independent, published sources". The CV you have posted here looks as if it was drafted in the Ministry of Defence, but, if you have any other published information please post it to Talk:Robert Pedre. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 09:29, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Your article states that Admiral Pedre joined the RN in 1998, yet the reference from the London Gazette makes it clear that he joined Britannia Royal Naval College on 18 September 1996. 185.13.50.214 (talk) 10:09, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Now adjusted. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 10:25, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Years of service need to change to 1996-present. Thanks. 185.13.50.183 (talk) 11:08, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Now fixed. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 11:36, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

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Braintree Town Hall

Thankyou for you're work on administrative buildings in England. As I've created Braintree and Bocking I'm just wandering about adding a source for the town hall being the seat of Braintree and Bocking Urban District prior to 1974. I can see you have added an offline source but per WP:SAYWHERE I shouldn't just move the citation without being able to see if so I'm just wandering if you could add it please, thanks. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Crouch, Swale - I have added an extra reference to both Braintree Town Hall and Braintree and Bocking. Many thanks for your work on Braintree and Bocking. Dormskirk (talk) 18:43, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

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Angus Watson (British Army officer)

@Dormskirk - very many thanks for helping improve this article (as well as many others with military associations too). I have now found & added an independent source regarding Brig. Watson's education, which I trust meets with your satisfaction. Best Primm1234 (talk) 16:14, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, It does. I have expanded to citation a bit but, in principle, it's great. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 16:38, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Darktrace

The IP which you recently dealt with on Darktrace is a disruptive LTA known as the Linde plc vandal. It's best to simply ban revert and deny any recognition. John Yunshire (talk) 21:00, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Understood. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 22:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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Bromley Palace

Hi. Thank you for correcting my edits on Bromley Palace. I had provided a verifiable reference, the "Elizabeth Edwards" one at the end of the paragraph. You (correctly) split the paragraph, but set the reference adrift! Anyway, I have moved that reference to the end of the new paragraph, and corrected the University of Chichester reference that previously ended in an Error 404. "All's Well that Ends Well" to quote the Bard. Best wishes. Wilfridselsey (talk) 10:57, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

That's great. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 11:24, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Sophos

Hi Dormskirk. I work for Sophos. The editing records infer someone from Sophos has edited the page inappropriately in the past. I'd like to get the page back on track. I disclosed a COI and requested some trims at Talk:Sophos, but nobody responded. I saw you were one of the largest contributors to the page and I was hoping you'd be willing to take a look? Let me know. Best regards. LesleySullivan (talk) 16:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

OK. On the article talk page, please can you be a bit more specific about the changes you propose and then use the edit request template. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 16:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Dormskirk. You can see the precise changes being requested, along with explanations, here. LesleySullivan (talk) 18:05, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Done. Best wishes, Dormskirk (talk) 22:54, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Re-order per MoS

Hi Dormskirk, please, what does the edit remark 're-order per MoS' mean? Cause the edit does not fit the layout of the image. The colonels are out of place beside the memorial. Thanks help find needed acceptable re-positioning of image or colonels? Hope I am understood. Greetings! Osioni (talk) 19:28, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi - It refers to MOS:ORDER which sets out the order for article headings: it states that "See also" should come just before "Notes and references". The order I have now placed the sections in achieves that. The positioning of "memorials" and "colonels" is not laid down in the Manual of Style so it does not matter what order they go in. I hope this helps. Dormskirk (talk) 20:31, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Help with the IdeaPad page

Hi. I work for Lenovo, the manufacturer of IdeaPad. The current IdeaPad page has about 30+ sections and sub-sections about individual products. A lot of the information is out-dated, incomplete, etc. I was hoping to replace it with a single product table, similar to what is currently on the ThinkPad page. I've been following up for months and got plenty of support from impartial editors (I think) to replace all of the product details with a single table, but the page still has 30+ sections on individual products. I was wondering if you would be willing to take a look and see if you agree RE slimming it down? Let me know if there is any way I can be more helpful. Best regards. ~~~~~ StuartGill (talk) 15:05, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi - Sorry but this is not my area of expertise. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 15:09, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

GlaxoSmithKline

Hey I wanted to talk about GlaxoSmithKline. I was thinking should we put it as British-American or a British company with American and new Zealand roots. The reason is it has strong foundation in the U.S and New Zealand. If you check a company LyondellBasell Basel has something similar mentioned in the introduction. Coming to the topic as name suggests GSK was named after three American co founders John.k.Smith ,Mahlon Kline And Henry Wellcome.Also others played an important role like Joseph Nathan from New Zealand and silias Burroughs from the U.S. Infact before the merger Glaxo Wellcome and SmithKline Beecham were based in the U.S.

If you see its similar to AstraZeneca.The company is headquartered in United Kingdom but we still call it as British-Swedish because the important role of Swedish foundation in it . 139.5.50.94 (talk) 09:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

References

This conversation should take place on the article talk page, not here. But it is clear to me that the company is British based. Dormskirk (talk) 10:45, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

There is no denying that It’s British but it’s better to write it as British-American or British company with American and New Zealand roots .I explained you why and also mentioned examples of Astra zeneca and lyondell basell. 139.5.50.94 (talk) 12:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

As already explained, this conversation should take place on the article talk page, not here. Dormskirk (talk) 12:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

About Intercontinental hotel group founder

I added Juan Trippe as founder because he was mentioned in the official website Of IGH.Maybe you should scroll down and take a look at the History of IHG.In the beginning william bass is mentioned but as you go down the page you will see name of Juan Trippe mentioned in 1946 section.Since you do not believe me I am adding more independent references .I hope they clear your doubt and you would act much more reasonable. 139.5.50.94 (talk) 08:43, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

References

This discussion should take place on the article talk page not here. I have worked in the Trippe name (with some difficulty). This company, which is over 200 years old, had no involvement with Intercontinental until 1998 so there is no way that Trippe was the founder. Dormskirk (talk) 08:49, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I get what you are saying but when there are so many above references mentioning him as founder and Also the information given in wiki page of IHG.I think its more than sufficient to clear the doubt.This company would not exist without him. 139.5.50.94 (talk) 09:18, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

As already explained, this discussion should take place on the article talk page not here. But I have tried to work Trippe's name into the text. Dormskirk (talk) 09:35, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

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Hospital of St Cross article

Hi you have removed my updates of the article: the complete list of the Masters of St Cross. Can you put it back please. I gave the reference In comments section before publishing it. I am the current Master of St Cross and I’d like the full list to be available online. If you have any questions You can contact me by email to be found on the hospital website. 2A00:23C7:558C:C301:B5E5:9DEF:FAFE:32C (talk) 23:30, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

You need to insert a citation from "reliable, published sources" per WP:RS. Also if you are the Master you have a conflict of interest which should be declared on your talk page. Thank you. Dormskirk (talk) 23:41, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

I did give the source in the comment section. It is based on the book St Cross England’s oldest almshouse and the list of Masters in the Chapel of St Cross. Those are reliable sources.

can you please add the list to the article. As for the conflict of interest, I don’t see one as I’m only adding a historically accurate list of names. I am not changing anything in the article, thou it is not historically accurate and requires revision. 2A00:23C7:558C:C301:B5E5:9DEF:FAFE:32C (talk) 00:09, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is not the place for this discussion. It needs to be on the article talk page where you should give full details of the book including the author, publisher, page number, isbn etc. And first of all you should declare your conflict of interest using the template set out in WP:COI. Thank you. Dormskirk (talk) 00:14, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Hallo IP editor / Rev Dominik, hoping you will be watching this talk page as you've posted here. I have reinstated your list of past masters, citing the source which you mentioned in your edit summary, and including the newspaper refs for the most recent masters. Another time you edit, please remember to cite your source in the Wikipedia article itself - if you can't work out how to format it, just add what you can, between <ref> and </ref>. Editors can't realistically be expected to read the edit summaries of everyone who has edited an article. PamD 17:40, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Cane Hill Hospital

Thank you so much for your corrections and tweaks to my recent edits to the Cane Hill Hospital article, I'm still new to Wikipedia editing and very grateful to have an experienced editor like yourself acting as a guiding hand. Your involvement on similar articles, particularly that of Endell Street Military Hospital has proven a useful guide and inspiration. Hopefully you'll have to be tweaking my edits less and less in future! Many thanks again. Comfycore (talk) 22:50, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi - No problem at all - your additions are really helpful. Dormskirk (talk) 22:52, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

		The World War Barnstar
		For the creation of so many military biographies; we'd have a lot more red links without you! Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:45, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Pickersgill-Cunliffe Very many thanks for that! Dormskirk (talk) 21:46, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

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MI6 Para Comments

Apologies if I am creating work - not my intent.

Neither is "splitting paragraphs" - I think I added a talk section and I generally do think we all know what a paragraph is. There were honking great chunks of text - if I have actually split a paragraph - I sincerely apologize - as you know, modern writing tends to use shorter paragraphs structures - I have no problems if you want to revert - I am trying only to make the article readable - and several splits were kluged merged paragraphs.

Again, apologies - but I do think many of these sections are in truth not paragraphs - but thought streams.

Cheers Dr. BeingObjective (talk) 18:42, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi - No problem. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 18:44, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

GCHQ sourcing

With respect - the sourcing was never changed and seems fine - I looked at both the original and my clarifying comment - other than a lot more clarity, expansion and adding internal links - nothing changed.

I'm really seriously on the 'blind' side - but I could not see what your point ever was.

Anyhow, thanks if you re-sourced something - and I am not being defensive - I simply cannot see the issue.

As I am actually a Brit - on paper anyhow - I did wonder about the claims to the invention of something that actually is so important - the biog links to the two folks involved are actually super sad - great things never recognized - it is somewhat of a British theme -

Thanks - I guess -- Dr. BeingObjective (talk) 14:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

In general, as a minimum, we need a citation at the end of each paragraph, so readers can see what the source was. You broke a longish paragraph into two paragraphs, which is fine, but you still need to ensure there is a citation at the end of each of the new paragraphs - even if it is the same source. I hope that helps. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 15:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I does and I see the point - many thanks for your assistance.

It is a sad footnote - a great deal of money came out of the commercialization of PKI.

BeingObjective (talk) 15:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

'It' - apologies.

I am legally blind - BeingObjective (talk) 15:41, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 15:52, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Likely I'd remove the whole dubious section:

The National Cyber Security Programme was established by the UK Government to develop cybersecurity skills based on the IISP Skills Framework.

Could you kindly ping me before be so overtly unilateral in any delete especially - this would be civil and very respectful - I think my edits on many articles are solid and robust.

I really think you are trying to be helpful - but I actually have the background to make such judgments.

I was not always a Physician.

I focus on content -

In this one article two major content issues have been in the article for some while - the PKI section was especially egregious and in need a tune up.

Kindly Dr. BeingObjective (talk) 21:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Verifiability means readers using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. This is a wikipedia policy: see WP:VERIFY. And the burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution. See WP:BURDEN. I have already undertaken a lot of work to clean up after you on the MI5 and MI6 articles. Please can you take a bit of time to read our policies and guidelines before criticising the work of other editors. Thank you. Dormskirk (talk) 22:55, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

With respect - I think you are now just being really rather rude.

I edited in good faith and your assumption that I am not aware of common sense matters is clearly uncivil and presumptuous.

You are not the guardian of any article!

My edits are on target and you did little to add to the content - the citations in many articles are not compliant with any common sense authoritative writing.

Policies are clearly important though your assertion of cleaning up after me verges on the totally ridiculous to the distinctly humorous. You are missing massive content problems and simply doing what is normal on this platform by established editors - the value add is appreciated - I even thanked you for your trival personal attacks - and I am not getting into strife when it is clear to anyone that three major issues existed in these articles.

They are egregious omissions by any measure.

You did not catch these and when I did - leapt into the intellectual space you could control - I know this pattern and it is not something - based on your history I really anticipated, neither is it flattering to you as likely a decent personality - awful, attitude in total violation with the five pillars.

Collaboration is important - and this message from you does is not suggest a collaborative mindset - assume good faith edits from me.

Kindly be civil, welcoming and please recognize the value of new blood.

Respectfully - though with mild amusement Dr. BeingObjective (talk) 23:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I have given you extensive help and advice...now please don't post here any more. Thank you. Dormskirk (talk) 23:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Adrian Foster (British Army officer)

Is Major General Adrian Foster, now retired, notable for an article? https://www.smallarmssurvey.org/who_we_are/our_team/adrian-foster Buckshot06 (talk) 05:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, probably, by virtue of his posting as Acting Force Commander/Deputy Force Commander of the UN Peacekeeping Mission in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. I might get round to doing an article on him sometime. Thanks. 08:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)Dormskirk (talk)

That post at the UN was probably at the two-star level too. I will see if I can ferret out his regiment. Buckshot06 (talk) 09:12, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

"NEW CHIEF OF STAFF FOR UNAMSIL APPOINTED

Brig. Adrian Foster is the new Chief of Staff (Forces) for the United Nations Mission in Sierra Leone (UNAMSIL), replacing Brig. James Ellery, CBE, who left Sierra Leone on Monday, 21 July, following the end of his tour of duty.

Until his new appointment, Brig. Foster, 47, was with the British Army Personnel Centre. He started his career in 1978 when he was commissioned into the Royal Artillery after graduating from Southampton University with a degree in mathematics. He then served in Northern Ireland, Belize, Germany and Canada in a variety of regimental appointments. His tours also included being aide-de-camp to General Officer Co 2nd Armoured Division and Adjutant of the Honourable Artillery Company in London.

Brig. Foster attended the Army Staff College after which he was posted as personal briefer to the Master General of the Ordnance, for which he was awarded an MBE. Following this appointment, he returned to the Royal Artillery as a battery commander, which included six months on a detachment to United Nations Headquarters in New York where he helped establish the Situation Centre within the Department of Peacekeeping Operations.

Following his promotion to Lieutenant Colonel, Brig. Foster was appointed Military Assistant to the Minister for the Armed Forces. There then followed six months with the Directorate of Operational Capability before he conducted a two-and-half-year tour as Commanding Officer of 26 Regiment Royal Artillery, which included an operational tour to Bosnia for which he was awarded the Queen's Commendation for Valuable Service.

Then followed tours as Commander of Chief of General Staff's Briefing Team and a posting as Colonel Army Personnel Strategy." https://reliefweb.int/report/liberia/unamsil-press-briefing-25-jul-2003 Buckshot06 (talk) 09:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. I have made a start. Dormskirk (talk) 13:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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Reverted edits

Hi,

I see that you’ve frequently reverted apparently promotional edits where there might be a concern about possible COI. Well done, excellent work. I wonder if I could put a question to you on that general subject. I’ve read the guidelines, but would just like to ask about how they tend to work in practice…

Would it be fair to say that it is usually unnecessary and undesirable for editors to mention (say on talk pages or COIN) the possible nature of a COI. The main issue is simply that the edits in question appear to be of a possibly promotional nature, and if repeated enough times will eventually be enough to get the user blocked if no COI is declared.

Many thanks. Axad12 (talk) 15:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi - WP:COI says "Editors with a COI, including paid editors, are expected to disclose it whenever they seek to change an affected article's content. Anyone editing for pay must disclose who is paying them, who the client is, and any other relevant affiliation." So they just need to disclose that they have the conflict, which will usually because they work for the company as an employee or a marketing agency. They do not need to disclose the nature of the COI (because of WP:PRIVACY). If an editor uses a single purpose account (see WP:WPA), there is a possibility that the editor is there to "edit for the purposes of promotion or showcasing their favoured point of view, which is not allowed." In practice, edits from a single purpose account of a promotional nature are bound to raise strong suspicions. I hope that helps. Dormskirk (talk) 17:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for getting back to me. I probably should have been clearer. What I meant was that if an editor fails to declare a COI and is repeatedly flagged for apparently promotional edits then eventually they are going to get blocked without the need for another editor to provide specific evidence of COI (derived from, say, Google or LinkedIn). Is that broadly correct? Axad12 (talk) 18:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

If the editor has not declared an interest, it is difficult to determine that they have a conflict...and we must assume good faith. However, if an editor repeatedly posts promotional edits, that in itself could result in that editor being prevented from using wikipedia. Dormskirk (talk) 18:45, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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House of Fraser /Frasers Group

Hi not sure if you gave seen but an editor has decided to fork Frasers out of House of Fraser, and has stated he may do the same to Sports Direct out of Frasers Group. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 16:02, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that. It would certainly need a discussion first. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 16:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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Smiths Group

Hi Dormskirk,

I hope you're well.

You've been very helpful at collaborating on Smiths Group updates in the past. Please could you take a look at the latest edits I've suggested and let me know thoughts?

Thanks, Tom SteinerTom1 (talk) 10:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Please see my latest comments on the article talk page. Thanks, Dormskirk (talk) 11:12, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you appreciate the quick response.

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Iberian Atlantic Area

Thank you for doing my tidying up for me before I had the chance to do it myself(!!) Buckshot06 (talk) 23:37, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

No problem. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 00:05, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Dormskirk you've been a reliable, faithful, and helpful friend here. What are your major areas of interest here you would like to be alerted to if I come across changes / items of interest? Buckshot06 (talk) 19:16, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks for your kind words and offer. I will need to give that thought as I am interested in a wide variety of matters...military, listed companies and town halls, to name just three! Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 19:29, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Possible promotional edit

Hello Dormskirk,

A question that I’d be grateful for your input on…

Given the history of (mostly redlink) SPAs attempting promo edits on the article for Legal & General (and also on the article for that company’s former CEO, Nigel Wilson) I wonder if you share my concern that the large section added to the Legal & General article in Nov 23 was also of a promo nature.

For example, the start of that section reads like a press release (‘Legal and General incorporated its housing branch [...] in 2015 with the goal of helping to solve the UK's housing crisis. The UK Government has promised to build 300,000 homes annually and LGMH, as one of the few modular homes developers in the UK, stated plans to play an instrumental part in the delivery of those homes.’)

Also the large section added to the article on that topic seems to give undue weight to a very small and short-lived part of the overall company which sat outside of that company’s core business. The activity described in that section is only really of note from a corporate social responsibility standpoint (i.e. the enterprise lost some money in attempting to do social good), which may give some clue as to the material's origin and the reason that it was included in the article.

5 different redlink SPAs have attracted COI notices/warnings for promo edits on these two articles over the last 18 months. For promo material to have been added in this case by another redlink SPA suggests that it was part of the same activity.

All of the other promo material added to these articles over this period was swiftly reverted by various editors/admins (including yourself), but this section seems to be the only significant addition to remain.

Given your greater experience and longstanding familiarity with these articles I wonder if you would let me know your thoughts...

Many thanks. Axad12 (talk) 07:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree that the section on modular homes could do with some trimming. Please feel free to trim some of the more promotional aspects. Dormskirk (talk) 09:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

I have pruned it quite heavily myself. Thanks, Dormskirk (talk) 09:28, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

To be honest, my feeling was that the section had very little merit and the fact that it remained in the article probably only served to encourage further promo editing. Personally I'd have been inclined to remove it wholesale as an irrelevance probably inserted by a PR or marketing operative. In any event it has no place taking up 2/3rds of the 'Operations' sections for such a large UK company and nor does it warrant its own section.

I agree that your recent edit is preferable, but I may still remove the reference to 'partnering' (pure press release language) with Vidid (or Vivid?) Homes, apparently not a co notable enough to be on Wikipedia in its own right. I may also remove the name of the CEO, the fact that she previously worked at Rolls-Royce, the number of homes built and the reasons claimed for the failure to turn a profit, all of which seem promotional in intent.

Thanks for your help here, much appreciated. Axad12 (talk) 09:49, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

I am fine with what you are proposing. Dormskirk (talk) 09:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Okay, now reduced to two brief sentences which cover all that really needed to be said. It now seems in proportion to the rest of the article. Thanks again. Axad12 (talk) 10:14, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Sirius Real Estate

Hi Dormskirk, I hope this message finds you well.

In the past you have been very collaborative on the Sirius Real Estate article. I have recently suggested an edit to the page that I would be very grateful if you could look at.

You can find my note here Talk:Sirius Real Estate

Thank you!

Shoskins02 13:47, 01 February 2024 (UTC)

Simple statement now added. Dormskirk (talk) 15:01, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Woolwich "See Also"

Why did you rollback they See Also of Woolwich Building Society to Wates Construction.

Read the article. "The Wates family was to play a significant role in the early history of the Woolwich"

The Wates family of the Woolwich Building Society were 2nd cousins of the Wates Family Construction company.

To rollback without checking is lazy vandalism which has plagued Wikipedia for the past 15 years 90.241.124.45 (talk) 18:09, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

There is absolutely no mention in the article that Wates family of the Woolwich Building Society were 2nd cousins of the Wates Family Construction company. Nor did I use rollback: in fact I have never used rollback. And please read WP:NPA before accusing other editors of "lazy vandalism". If you have a problem with the article please post on the talk page not here. Thank you. Dormskirk (talk) 18:44, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Clearly you are being lazy and unfortunately typical of the "Sitation! Sitation!" NPC zealots that ruined wikipedia

A Victorian Wates Building company and Victorian Wates family Building society - clearly relevant to "See Also".

Aside from the fact that the Wates family connection is documented, in birth records, and published hardback books, which existed decades before the internet... aside from that, it is a "See Also" link.

Get it locked down and expose yourself. Invite others to witness your NPC laziness 84.69.36.200 (talk) 00:52, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

As you will be aware, I am not the only editor who has reverted your edits. Continued personal attacks like this suggesting other editors are "lazy" are completely unacceptable. Please read WP:NPA and please do not post here again. Thank you. Dormskirk (talk) 01:06, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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Kearsley Town Hall

Thank you as ever for your work in the article. I agree, it is a shame there is no free image, given the relatively recent demolition date. I'm only planning on creating articles for demolished town halls where there is plenty to write and demolition was fairly recent. At least with standing town halls with no photo, there's a chance to take one - given your username, I was wondering if you had a connection with Ormskirk and had seen Old Town Hall, Ormskirk? Warofdreams talk 18:32, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me to the Old Town Hall, Ormskirk. Yes, I did used to live in that area, but it was a very long time ago (in my childhood). I was not aware of the article, or of the building itself. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 18:48, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of James Parkin for deletion

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I have commented on the AfD page. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 08:46, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

You should not have re-added his middle names after he explicitly objected to it. Per WP:BLPPRIVACY: "Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources" - that criteria was objectively not met and yet you re-added the middle names. AusLondonder (talk) 16:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

AusLondonder I corrected his middle names to accord with the source cited (London Gazette, which is a reliable source) at 23.37 (see here). The subject did not object until one minute later at 23.38 (see here). I had no idea anyone was going to object to correcting names which were prima facie incorrect. Dormskirk (talk) 16:42, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I was thinking he was attempting to remove them with this edit, I do see now he apparently only removed one. After his complaint I think it would have been worth removing them to allow consideration of that complaint. AusLondonder (talk) 16:51, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree. My objection was to the inclusion of incorrect or inaccurate names. Dormskirk (talk) 16:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for considering my request and for altering your comment - I am a huge admirer of your work on Wikipedia, and the enormous contribution you make to the community, and I hope you do not feel that by requesting deletion of the page, it implies any criticism of your output or you personally. I suspect we will never agree on whether all Flag Officers and General Officers should automatically be worthy of a Wiki page (my view is that promotion to 2-star rank does not, in itself, confer notability (under WP:GNG)) or whether that BLPs with only primary sources such as the London Gazette (reliable but not Secondary) should even be allowed under the rules of WP:BLPPRIMARY. However, irrespective of the outcome of my request for deletion, I do not intend to apply these views to other articles, as this is not my business. All the best, Jamesparkin (talk) 10:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Jamesparkin That's very kind. Very best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 10:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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Creating a new page

Good day, I would like to create a new page but I don't know how to start. From this link: Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//Brian_Santarpia at the bottom there is Military offices. Succeeded by Josée Kurtz. Could you start a page on Cmdre Josee Krutz? This is her biography: Https://www.canada.ca/en/navy/corporate/our-organization/leadership/command-marlant.html I will add the Awards and decorations parts

Thank you kindly

Steph P2bn (talk) 19:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi - If you want to start a new article the best way to do it is through the Articles for creation process. Please follow the guidance there. Good luck. Dormskirk (talk) 21:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Sanctions

Why is it relevant to add the sanctions of the FCC Group and not that of the other sanctioned companies such as ACS_Group??? Furthermore, this information has not been proven, since the sanction is suspended. It will be relevant if one day they can prove it and are sanctioned to pay the fine, at the moment I don't know what interest there may be in something that does not have a final sentence. In any case, if FCC has interest, I assume that the rest of the companies involved also have interest. Although we already know that there are many unqualified journalists who do not know what they are talking about. Saranavas90 (talk) 16:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I have no objection to you adding the sanctions imposed on ACS Group to the article on that company. Dormskirk (talk) 16:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Great, you can then add them to the rest of the companies involved just like you did on the FCC Group page, right? Saranavas90 (talk) 16:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Or what is the reason why you add it on one page and not on others? Saranavas90 (talk) 16:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I have now added it to the ACS Group article. But, at the moment I am trying to update the FCC Group article. Dormskirk (talk) 17:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Bus route edits

Hi Dormskirk, I just wanted to apologise if I caused any issues with my recent edits about bus routes which serve certain places. I have since added sources to all of the articles and if you wish to move them to a more suitable place in the article feel free! Have a great day! harrz ^talk 23:40, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Harrz - OK. Thanks for that. Much appreciated. Dormskirk (talk) 23:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Full citation needed template

Hello, I noticed you removed the {{Full citation needed}} from the No. 32 Squadron RAF article. I am just trying to seek clarification. I agree with your edit summary, and maybe you are correct - they may well look good 'to you' (and I totally accept your point about using books as sources). But my (two) reasons for adding those templates to those two particular citations is that they might not be obvious to all readers, and secondly, it is surely preferred that editors can provide - ideally where possible - an online source for said citation (editors are strongly encouraged to provide online source of actual page in a book or journal whenever possible). I am sure that I have seen other 'full online' citations for Air International, and so the Full citation needed template is there to prompt other editors (and myself) to try to search for an online source for said citations. If a search subsequently bears no fruit, then the Full citation needed template should be removed (and ideally hidden text to annotate that a search offered no results). I see no harm in allowing that template to stay in the article for a week or few - to allow others to search. Is my rationale reasonable? Kind regards, Militum professio scriniarii (talk) 12:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi - Thanks for reaching out. My own view is that we should not express preferences for online sources. Regarding periodicals, in many cases it is only recent years which are available online, and in the case of this publication, I have looked and cannot find the relevant articles online. I would have added the link if it was available. Relatively few books are available online for copyright reasons and, in my view, there is no reason to prefer online sources over high quality offline sources. Dormskirk (talk) 12:44, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Militum professio scriniarii I agree with Dormskirk on this. The references cited are completely full references. If you can find an online copy of the source, to add the URL as a bonus, then well and good, but there is no requirement for a reference to include an online link. {{Full citation needed}} is a template which draws attention to the inadequacy of a reference, eg no page numbers provided, and should not be attached to complete and well-formatted references. Would you tag almost every reference in Today's Featured Article William Y. Slack as "Full citation needed"? PamD 14:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thank you both for your advice. Greatly appreciated. Militum professio scriniarii (talk) 14:32, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Lord Leycester Hospital

Photo of recently uncovered James 1st visit memorial plaque can be added. Robyntree2 (talk) 20:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Fine with me if it's your photo. Thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 21:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)