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Hello Danny Yee Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. If you decide that you need help, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some recommended guidelines to facilitate your involvement. Happy Editing! User SatuSuro 06:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC) Getting Started Wikipedia Tutorial How to edit a page The five pillars of Wikipedia Manual of Style Be bold in editing How to write a great article WikiProjects Getting your info out there Cite your sources Neutral Point of View Point of View Verifiability Uploading images Image use policy Getting more Wikipedia rules Policy Library Getting Help New contributors' help page Where to ask a question Help Desk Frequently Asked Questions Getting along Wikiquette Civility Sign your posts Wikipedians Conflict resolution Getting technical Cleaning up vandalism Pages needing attention Peer review Utilities Village pump

Australian topics

Hey there! While it's always really nice to see people writing articles on Australian topics - we always need more - it's a lot nicer to read articles that have a bit of information in them. Do you think you'd be able to write articles of a paragraph or two? They're a lot more useful than just one or two lines. Ambi 03:09, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm working up to it... I'm still trying to get a feel for how everything works here. -- Danny Yee 22:25, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Danny Yee

When I noticed you had edited a page I had also worked on (Richard Lewontin), I took the liberty of creating a content page about you. I've admired your reviews for a long time (I think we've exchanged a couple emails, years ago), and think you are well notable for this contribution. I apologize for not making the first draft of the article on you better, but hopefully it will get better by magic. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 19:28, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh, followup: would it be OK to use the picture of you that you have on your homepage on WP? (i.e. released as GFDL or PD). Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 19:30, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm... I did not know that it was created and VfD/AfD'd earlier. But, frankly, I think it was the wrong decision at that time (dunno exactly what the old page contained, of course). I knew who you were outside WP the moment I saw your name on an edit (well, I wasn't sure immediately that it was the same Danny Yee; but it turned out to be). By my personal standards, anyone I know by reputation (not just personally) years before I ever edited WP is sufficiently notable to have an article.

I have a personal schtick too, I confess. The article on me (David Mertz) failed AfD twice. The truth is, I'm plainly notable, but some people who disagreed with me on purely WP issues wanted to kill it out of spite. But during the second one, I noticed that Simson Garfinkel was put on AfD, for gosh sake! (but failed AfD, fortunately). There have been a few other writerly notables whom I've defended on AfD too. All the while, every actor who appeared in a couple porn films, and every indie band that sells 2000 records, has a page that no one wants to delete. Or heck, characters in video games get their own pages. There's some sort of prejudice against writers and folks with academic or intellectual pursuits, where a much higher standard of noteriety is often proclaimed than for "low culture" notables (I don't mean to cast aspersion on popular culture—I consume and enjoy a lot of it—but people who do things in academia are worth mentioning too... not that you're exactly an academic, of course, but many of the books you review are on fairly intellectual subjects).

Anyway, if someone tries to AfD the new page, I'll certainly defend its retention strenuously. I believe you are exactly the kind of notable person who readers of WP should be able to find information on. I don't think you're the most important person with an article, by a long shot (nor do you, of course). But you've probably been read by over a million people by this point! It's quite an accomplishment. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 01:08, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

John Lott

Why do you say the edits by User:Henry1776 to the Lott page are by a sockpuppet? Your response was to revert without substantive comment. Rkevins82 - TALK 03:00, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

see Talk:John Lott - Danny Yee 11:44, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Changing username

Hi - Some time ago, you left a request on Wikipedia:Changing username. This facility is now up and running again. Are you still interested in changing your name? If so, please confirm at Wikipedia:Changing username. thanks, Warofdreams talk 13:34, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Your request has been completed. Regards — Dan | Talk 02:53, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Bummer!

( Sorrey to see you missed the meetup... we might have one next month if you're interested... - Ta bu shi da yu 20:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Sockwhacker Barnstar

Awarded in recognition of diligent attention to duty during the LottClone Wars of 2005

Gzuckier 20:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

John Lott

Please see the JL page, which is reverted back to the POV version. I'm out of reverts for the next 22 hrs or so. Thanks, --Pierremenard 02:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Gamelan lists

Hi, I've started creating lists of Gamelan ensembles in various countries for posting on Wikipedia. I've completed List of gamelan ensembles in the United States and am starting on the UK. I'm wondering if you'd be interested in putting together the lists for Australia and New Zealand, as you seem to have all this information. It would be great if they were all done in the same format. Take a look and let me know if the format that I have done is acceptable, and let me know if you have any ideas for improvements. After the UK, I'm thinking of starting on a list of ensembles in Bali. This doesn't seem to exist anywhere, and I'm hoping to get help from people on the Gamlelan e-mail list out of Dartmouth (are you subscribed?). I don't know enough about Javanese gamelan to do the Java list. Thanks. --Samuel Wantman 07:52, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

crossref from Romila Thapar talk page

I grew up being taught history from the three History of India text books written by her in my school. Our History [teacher] took the the official History text for class VII and dumped it. Then she made sure we all had a copy of HoI volume I, and our real education about Indian history began. Most of my understandings, beliefs, and knowledge about my country stem from those three books. I'm glad to see someone decided to write an article on her.

--hydkat 06:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Romila sows communalism

Hi Danny,

It's great that an encyclopeadic article is created for Ms. Romila Thapar. However, under the pretext of being a left leaning Marxist historian, Ms.Romila has authored many anti-Hindu works. She questions the scriptures of Hinduism, but doesn't have the same approach towards other religions. She takes a fanatical extremist anti-Hindu stand. She, of course is a proponent of Western thinking. It is said that the grass on the other side is greener and that is true for people like Ms.Thapar. But she would do well to understand that the grass on the other side, could be poisonous too. Ms.Thapar conveniently says she is fighting communalism. If she says she is secular, and tolerant, then I presume she is culturally tolerant as well. She would be a global citizen. I would request her to go to some theocratic states and preach secularism there. Her tirades against Hinduism are tolerated in India, not just because India is a secular state. Let me tell you that even if India would have been a theocracy (read Hindu Rashtra), she would have been tolerated. Tolerance is in Indian ethos. But if she would have been in a theocracy (like those Islamic states), she would have been severely prosecuted for blasphemy. But she doesn't understand that. She goes on rambling about things that doesn't exist. I am not a Hindutva supporter, but historians like Ms.Thapar make me feel that I should be one. But my true Indian origins stops me from adopting the Hindutva ideology. As far as I dislike Hindutva, I also abhor distorted history lessons of Ms.Thapar. However, as I said it's my personal opinion. I am a liberal and a proponent of free speech, so I would say let this article remain, but make it neutral and I would say let the word "alleged" remain as she doesn't seem to be removing communalism but feeding the Hindutva hate preachers and Islamic fundamentalists as well.

Naamdar Saheb 17:28, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Bad Practice

Danny, Instead of just deleting the word "documented proofs", you should have discussed it in talk page. This is very bad practice to push what you think is correct. Don't do so please again. Only after discussion on talk page, do such things.

It has been discussed on the talk page. -- Danny Yee 06:20, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

But the result has not come out or agreement was not reached. --Vinay Khaitan

G. Spencer Brown

He is a crank. Pain and simple. But deleting will not accomplish what you're after. We need to explain WHY he is crank and provide spurces in the article text. I can't do this at the moment. Thanks for sticking up for reason and truth.--Lacatosias 07:55, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Censorship

A watered-down version of the proposed policy against censorship is now open for voting. Will you knidly review the policy and make your opinions known? Thank you very much. Loom91 10:29, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Xed arbitration changes

Change was voted on by the Arbitration Committee. We reopened the case due to continued problems with Xed. Fred Bauder 12:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Cruft

Hi Danny. Ideally I turn relevant cruft (state emblem, popular animated character etc) into prose and cut anything really useless like x is the mascot of Kentucky bank q, character m had a pet x. There is no specific policy or guideline, but you can always cite WP:NOT - Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.--nixie 13:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Shivaji entry

Hello Danny. I want to commend you on your contributions to the Shivaji article, and for mentioning Laine's book and the reaction to it in an objective manner. I personally found nothing in Laine's book that was deliberately irreverent; notwithstanding that he could have avoided controversy by deleting a few references which were not really necessary for the integrity of his narration. Also, although what happened with BORI was certainly despicable in the extreme, I think the whole incident was also an instructive one, because it dispelled the illusion of hero-worship of Shivaji that many of his followers like to wallow in. In India, there are many historical figures (and even current, living ones) who are regarded as gods, and any criticism of them is violently reacted to. I think these hero-worshippers need to be taught repeatedly that their 'gods' are human beings, and that their flawed character does not diminish their greatness as such. Ironically, a lot of such public reaction is not even based on devotion or hero-worship, but primarily based on political motivation and interest. I am sure that most common citizens of Maharashtra and Pune, where I am from, know much more about Shivaji than the hoodlums who desecrated BORI under the pretext of Shivaji worship. That's the most tragic part of a lot of these cultural onslaughts; that they are motivated purely by political interests rather by any kind of even fanatical but still informed conviction. In the end, the members of the Sambhaji Brigade turn out to be nothing more than being similar to the Nazi SS; common thieves and violent criminals, motivated by nothing more than political greed, without any knowledge of even what they are fighting about. So much for all their exalted attitude of pseudo cultural righteousness. In the list of those who want to defend and respect their culture, their names will not appear even at the very bottom. Sorry for the somewhat emotional comments, but having grown up in Pune which is supposed to be a cauldron of Marathi culture and decency, such travesty does rankle and keep festering. Keep up the good work. Ashujo

RevolverOcelotX

Hi, I see this guy was causing you some trouble on the 1421 page. Don't worry, he's some sort of "pro-CCP/Chinese nationalist" troll that goes around making highly POV edits to a large number of articles, reverting good ones he doesn't like, etc. Don't bother talking to him, just rv and file a complaint if he breaks the 3RR rule or vandalises, etc. If you have any problems with him again, message me and I'll rv so you don't break the 3RR yourself. John Smith's 13:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

whimper from the past

Hi danny, you might or not know my real name from probably 10 years (or is it more) ago from the anthro- archive as tom hogarth, i think your archive still floats around in the ether somewhere - trust youre finding this very americo-geek-nerd oriented jungle worth visiting let alone editing! SatuSuro 09:37, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah there are some real geeks "ruling" some of the indo arts, after a few brushes with them I have walked away. :/ or should it be :0 or maybe :( . Anyways, there are some real fictions created within some of the arts - my interest area is where everything has gone/is going wrong - merapi, bantul, yogyakarta and solo - but I tend to revert to tasmania as an uncontested realm more when it gets too much! SatuSuro 13:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)!

I think the Java arguments are so symptomatic of one of the many malaises of wiki, I think I will opt out of any further at this point, and hope the force of numbers resolve the issue. Sigh.SatuSuro 02:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for re-formatting, I had imposed comment as a separator, otherwise my aging brain finds the indent on the indent annoying! SatuSuro 03:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Java discussion

Thanks for bringing this up to my attention. I agree with your reasoning and I want to thank you for keeping an eye on this topic. I can't believe it's coming up for discussion again. Julius.kusuma 16:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

South Asian history "expert"

Danny Yee, I can see from your credentials that you have no expertise in South Asian history. I have a degree in South Asian history and international relations from a major US university. Kindly tell me about your credentials and why you are qualified to write about Shivaji etc..P.S. haven't seen you much editing the Congress party etc... [anonymous IP]

Great, someone using an anonymous IP is claiming I "have no expertise". Whoever you are, please try correcting my edits and explaining where I'm wrong, and not just claiming unverifiable superior knowledge. -- Danny Yee 00:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

shivaji

Thanks for helping out with the article. If you need any help with sources (Ram Puniyani I agree is not credible) ask myself or Netaji.Bakaman _Bakatalk 18:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

If you find the time ..

.. incest taboo is in deseparate need of attention from someone with basic knowledge on the topic.--Eloquence* 07:38, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

anthropology

Am I right that youused to be active in the Anthropology list-serve (Anthro-l)? If so, are you still active? If yes, can you e-mail me at slrubenstein at yahoo dot com? ThanksSlrubenstein | Talk 08:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Dumb Luck

Hi.

Your edits to Dumb Luck have effectively changed the meaning of the article from a piece about the film to one about the novel. Since your intention was to have the novel at Dumb Luck and the film at Dumb Luck (film), it would have been better to move the article to Dumb Luck (film) rather than copying and pasting the content, thus preserving the article's history and relevant content, and then replace the resulting redirect at Dumb Luck with the single paragraph about the novel.

Please note that as a result of your copy and paste effort:

1. the edit history of the film article must be sought from an entirely unrelated article
2. the disambiguation link to Dumb Luck / No Body Loves Grim is still attached to the film article, when it properly belongs to whatever happens to be at Dumb Luck
3. the film project tag on the Dumb Luck talk page is now attached to an article which is not about a film
4. The article about the film is no longer a part of the film project.

Furthermore, I would question whether there is any reason why the novel has a better claim to the name than the film at all. A better approach still, IMO, would have been to move the article to Dumb Luck (film), paste the paragraph about the novel to Dumb Luck (novel), and change the redirect into a disambiguation page with links to both.

I will leave it to you to decide whether the best course at this stage would be to fix the resulting problems, or have an administrator delete the film page so we can revert your edit and start over.

Please also note that you left no edit summary for what was a very major change.

Regards, TheMadBaron 09:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Ooops, I'm sorry about that. I haven't done an article move before, so I didn't think about it at all. What do you suggest I do? -- Danny Yee 10:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

No harm done. We learn through our mistakes. It's fortunate, in a way, that you get this chance to practise on a page which isn't particularly popular.

Fortunately, nobody's edited either page since the move, so it shouldn't be difficult to fix.... you could....

1) Revert your last edit to Dumb Luck, thus recreating the combined film and novel article at that location.

2) Blank the content of Dumb Luck (film), leaving a deletion tag ( {{db|Reason}} ) in it's place. Replace "Reason" with a note to the effect that the article was created in error in a botched move, already exists at Dumb Luck, and its deletion is being requested by its creator. Leave an edit summary saying "deletion requested by creator - see User talk:Danny Yee#Dumb Luck".

3) Create your novel page at Dumb Luck (novel). Put a dablink at Dumb Luck, and remove the split tags and the content pertaining to the novel from that page.

4) If and when an admin deletes Dumb Luck (film), recreate it by moving Dumb Luck as described in my previous message.... and you should really fix the incoming wikilinks, this time.... if you like, I'd be happy do any part of step 4 myself.... but I think you could use the practise. ;)

Let me know if you need any help. TheMadBaron 11:00, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Nice Work

re the current Java discussion (groan), why can't i be as articulate and succint as you. I love: The fact that lots of poorly educated people have never heard of Java is something Wikipedia should be helping to fix, not to reinforce. --Merbabu 08:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

yeah - I think there should be dissallowances against those who insist that a disambig is needed because they dont know anything about the other items other than the one that they know SatuSuro 12:37, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Is Bali the next battle? ;-) --Merbabu 04:18, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the Java article is of a fairly lousy quality relative to Java's notability. It could be a fine piece. Perhaps editors have been reluctant to lengthen it as most information can be found in more detailed articles, however, I don't believe that readers should have to ferret around on other linked pages unless the "summary" page is too long. Some of those sections are just list of links, and others not much more. FOr example, why not discuss the Javanese and the Sundanese, rather than just link to them. Discuss, how Islam tends to be more orthodox in Sunda whereas in "Jawa" it is fused with more superstitious beliefs. And much more. --Merbabu 14:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Java collaboration

hi Danny Yee/Archive1. Starting today, the Indonesia Collaboration is Java. Come along and help make this a page worthy of the world’s most magnificent island. There’s a suggested to-do list on the the Talk page to which you can add, or just pick a task. All sorts of tasks are required, Images, Citations, Research, Copy Edit, you name it – this important article needs your help!! regards --Merbabu 08:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Indonesia

Hello Danny Yee, how are you? I saw your constructive edits on Java and then I decided to see your userpage. I realised that you have an interest in Indonesia (maybe), as you play in a gamelan. That is really cool! I cannot play any single instrument in a gamelan :P. So that is why I would like to invite you to join the project. It is a fairly new project, so we will always need good editors like you. If you do not mind, please have a look at the page and tell me what you think. See ya there! (Hopefully). Cheers -- Imoeng 12:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

We glad that you've joined the project. Lets make some featured articles! :) Cheers -- Imoeng 06:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Clifford Geertz

Died yesterday. SatuSuro 13:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Re your question - best to do is to reverse engineer someone elses talk page - open in edit this page and look at how they are made... most welcome to play around with mine if you'd like. SatuSuro 06:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

about Danny Yee

I didn't know anything about your reviews being popular! Just found out that you even have a wiki article on you! Too cool! --hydkat 05:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)