User talk:CloversMallRat

Mike Busbee

• I was thinking this guys real name is Michael, so do you think the page should be moved to Michael Busbee? Or do you have a source that his real name is Mike? thnx Nowyouseeme | wanna chat? 13:21, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of sources...again...busbee is professionally known as busbee not Michael Busbee. So his wiki page should not be title Michael Busbee or Mike Busbee for that matter. There are many examples of writer's and artist's pages that are not named after their real name, but rather their professional name...which again, is the reason anyone would be searching them on wikipedia to begin with. Thank you for your help. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4trak (talk • contribs) 22:08, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Sweet and Wild

I can only figure that it charted from pre-orders or digital downloads. It's happened in the past with albums from Terri Clark and the Dixie Chicks, but usually closer to the official release date. Eric444 (talk) 04:45, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Brother Clyde

Did you see that has a page now? And it's only Billy Ray. No more Jeffrey, John or Phil. Check out their MySpace page as well, which is located on the article page. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 22:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I know! I just finished reading it like 5 seconds ago. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 23:08, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

I could not agree with you more. I like "Lately" up until the rap verse. Even though I do like some rap, I'm not particularly a fan of that. I tried to find a possible snipet/leak of the song with Dolly, but was unable to locate one. I think it's funny that Billy Ray said that she "wanted to rock"...lol EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 14:51, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Lol, so do I. It seems like its been forever since something new of his has been out, even though its been just over a year since Back to Tennessee came out. Have you seen him lately? He looks kinda gross...like he has a new sleeve of tattoos on his left arm. I saw pictures of him performing for the Nashville Flood Relief Benefit concert. And he's been wearing a stupid bandana! Who does he think he is? Bret Michaels?!? No, I love Bret, I can't talk bad about him. Lol EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 16:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Ahaha, no kidding my brotha! Lol, I do admit, I'm curious to see how things will turn out and how the album will sound. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 17:12, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah so do I. I don't feel like it'll have any country influences until I actually hear the album from start to finish. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 17:26, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Grown woman / Release dates

Per WP:NSONGS and the discussion on its talk page in the archives it was agreed that only purchase release dates belong in the infobox. if a song is never released for purchase then the infobox should say see radio adds. this is because radio is not a release format. Lil-unique1 (talk) 01:03, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Stealing Angels

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• If someone places a speedy tag on an article and you're going to remedy that tag right away, you can just remove it yourself. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 20:00, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

• Turns out I was wrong about that last point. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 17:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

The World Is Ours Tonight

I added a couple more sources. I think this song's borderline, but since it appeared on the Team USA soundtrack first and was only a later addition to the Gloriana album, a redirect to either wouldn't make much sense — it's tied to both albums, so redirecting to just one is off. Also, my sources beefed it up a little closer to the length of their other single. Please, always discuss before just redirecting if the article's more than two sentences long — if it's super super short, then I could easily see just redirecting outright (for instance, While You're Still Young didn't even have a review from anyone). Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 03:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Kelly Rowland

Ok well according to the discission at: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (record charts)#Using Billboard Charts in Discog there is NO established format for putting Hot Dance Club Songs into the discography. However the chart is named as Dance Club Songs and no longer as Dance Club Play. Therefore I've changed DCP → DCS as a compromise. Changed to US Dac as this is acceptable per discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (record charts)#Using Billboard Charts in Discog. Unless you can show me where it says piped links can't be abbreviated there isn't an issue. Using the full word Dance breaches MOS:DISCOG as all columns are supposed to be of equal length. Regards, --Lil-unique1 (talk) 11:23, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Recorded songs / Kelly Rowland (album)

Also there is no need to have a list of recorded songs (which also happen to be the three singles) as this information is mentioned already in the prose and main article body. In fact their is a whole section on recording and production. It is an unecessary duplication of information. So per the guidelines, WP:ALBUMS and general common sense of not duplicating information which already exists please do not add a list of recorded songs. its simples. regards, --Lil-unique1 (talk) 16:49, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I am not on a high hourse. WP:Other stuff exists clearly states that just because things appear in the other articles it doesn't make it correct. So unless the article your quote is a featured article or good article then argument holds no basis. The information is ALREADY listed in the recording section therefore what purpose does it serve to have a recorded tracks list? A track listing of course is allowed. The point of documenting recorded songs in the body of the article is that if they are not on the final track listing they still remain part of the information regarding the recording and production of the album. And actually like I've said before WP:ALBUMS clearly says avoid the use of lists. I want the article to be WP:GA/WP:FA but that won't happen with redundent lists which duplicate information. Do not cause an WP:edit war over this. Step back and actually think logically about what we're arguing about, then im sure it will make sense. And next time remember WP:good faith. Uncivilty is not tolerated by anyone on wikipedia. --Lil-unique1 (talk) 17:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Despite me pointing out that it was MOS:DISCOG which states that all columns etc. should be equal you've gone ahead and reverted anyway. I've had to file a report here because frankly I don't think it assuming WP:good faith or actually taking the information that's been provided. --Lil-unique1 (talk) 18:01, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit warring at Kelly Rowland discography

You seem to have broken the WP:3RR rule at WP:AN3#User:CloversMallRat reported by User:Lil-unique1 (Result: ). To avoid sanctions, you should respond at WP:AN3 and promise to stop edit warring on this article. 'Get off your high horse' is unlikely to lead to a quick solution, and your effort to be more diplomatic would be appreciated. EdJohnston (talk) 19:24, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Color

Can you change back the 2010 AC number 1's color too? I don't want to get warned for edit warring. The guy brought up this topic on Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(record_charts)#Chart_lists Nowyouseemetalk2me 21:59, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. That's the exact same thing I said to that guy, it looks better with color and it's weird to be whining about something so trivial as a color, it isn't hurting anthing. Nowyouseemetalk2me 22:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and I LOLd when I read your 'Get off your high horse' on that Lilunique guys talk page, thats funny xD Nowyouseemetalk2me 22:15, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Glad you like it, I saw he reported you for edit warring, and I looked at the history of the page, and isn't he on the other end of it? I figured if you got warned then he should be warned too. Nowyouseemetalk2me 22:29, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I know what you mean, I've had to deal with that guy before too, he acts like a total douche, he thinks he's better than everyone else. He needs to take a step off his pedestal. Nowyouseemetalk2me 22:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Apology

In light of trying to resolve the situation I would like to say the following:

1. I'm sorry I miquoted your name inadvertently as Cloversmolerat instead of CloversMallRat in a discussion with Nowyouseeme.
2. If you are willing not to add the 'recorded songs' section to the Kelly Rowland (album), I think it is fair that your changed to her discography can remain. It's not a massive deal in light of the discussion that's taken place and I guess the other columns etc. could be modified so all align equally although its more work but in the interest of peace and calm if it resolves the situation it should be done.

What do you think? --Lil-unique1 (talk) 02:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Rowland discography (positive this time lol)

Hey what do you think of the changes made? --Lil-unique1 (talk) 23:53, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Tbh I never really liked Rowland that much. Her songs we always ok. But everything about her new album and new singles have made me completely fall in love with her lol. Proppa stan now! I do like Michelle too and well Beyoncé I don't really care for that much. I'd like to see her sign to a new label and do some more R&B-Dance music. I really enjoyed her album Unexpected. No I think Alicia Keys is my favourite female. I saw her live in London few months ago. She was aces. Wbu? Who's your fav. --Lil-unique1 (talk) 23:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I quite liked Shaniah Twain's earlier stuff though I know a lot people classify her as country-pop. I also like Lady Antabellum and I heard a few Martina McBride tracks the other day. --Lil-unique1 (talk) 00:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

If I Die Young

Hey thanks for making "If I Die Young". I was waiting for you to finally do it. Haha :) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 21:28, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Haha, I actually loved "Hip to My Heart", but I really do like this song more, too. I've only heard it on the radio maybe 3 times since it's been out. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 23:56, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't listen to my car radio that often...mostly CDs. But I do listen to Sirius radio in my room a lot and that's where I've heard it. See, I never think about listening to it like on YouTube or whatever. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 00:00, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I love it. It comes in handy when you don't feel like listening to stupid commercials all the time. My YouTube likes to play a lot of Adam Lambert and Katy Perry, lol. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 00:12, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Big Time Rush

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For your tireless edits to help fight off vandals on Big Time Rush, I award this to you. You deserve it, buddy! :) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 02:15, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Haha, it's a barnstar silly goose. Lol, that might have just been the funniest thing I've heard in a while. Kids these days, huh? EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 15:19, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Albums & EPs

I have an idea of merging the album section and the EP section into one. Reasons are:

1. Albums and EPs are both collection of tracks
2. EPs appear in all Billboard album charts.
3. If bonus tracks are included in an EP, is it still an EP? (e.g. 1 or 2 bonus tracks added to a 8-track EP; see The Fame Monster.)

It is a new idea and it hasn't been use anywhere yet. Please do not included this as a reason. An example can be seen here. Please add responses here. Thank you. Langdon (talk) 20:21, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey!

Hey!!! My vacation was a blast! I drove all the way to Nashville, where I stayed with my aunt and uncle there for 4 days. Had the best southern food I've ever tasted in my life lol. After Tennessee, I drove down to Atlanta to visit another set of aunts and uncles and stayed in an amazing Hilton Hotel just outside of Atlanta. I tried lots of new foods....raspberries, GRITS, and ribs lol. I feel about 400 pounds heavier than when I left. Haha! I was supposed to be home late this evening, but instead I drove the whole 12 hours yesterday, so that way I didn't have to stop again in Nashville, when it's only about 8 hours from home. So I'm pretty pooped. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 13:57, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

It was incredible! I got to drive right through the heart of it and see all the giant buildings. Didn't see anyone famous though, lol. France sounds awesome! I think I'll join ya...haha :) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 20:58, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Lmao! That's hilarious! Oh, so today I went to Wal-Mart and BestBuy in hopes of getting Brother Clyde's CD, when neither of them had it! It came out today, and the lady at BestBuy checked the inventory and other stores around here and only three other BestBuys had them, each of them only carrying THREE COPIES! The closest one to me was over and hour away, and I'm not wasting my gas...my car gets terrible gas mileage. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 21:32, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to order it off Amazon when my mom gets home so I can use her credit card lol. Really? I've actually heard lots of good things about the band here lately, and on the radio. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 21:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Lol, well then. I have actually taking a liking to "Lately". Oh no! Is it really? I haven't seen any pictures of him since the band was announced. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 21:45, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Haha oh jeez. Wanna gimme a link? EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 21:52, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Well that's attractive! Haha NOT! He definitely should get rid of that thing. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 22:09, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Exactly! And that dumb soul patch is not in style. Come to think of it, was it ever? Lol...I do miss me some country music from the man as well. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 23:08, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

So have you started school yet? EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 23:44, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I start on Monday as well. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 18:41, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

The Right Time

Hey buddy, I remember you saying something about you being curious on how the Dolly Parton collab on Brother Clyde was gonna sound. Well lemme tell ya, you ain't missing anything. It's definitely not the best song on the album. My copy finally came in the mail today. Dolly doesn't sing her own verse or anything. It's just a bunch of "feels like the right time..." and "ohhh yeahhh". I would probably give the song a . The worst song I think, is the "I Walk the Line" cover. But the album as a whole, I would give it a . EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 22:36, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I guess so. I'm gonna see if I have time this weekend and put the songs on YouTube. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 22:38, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Canadian Country charts

I've added a little something to the discussion here. I think it's time we eliminate the Canadian country chart positions from 2004 onward since there seems to be no solution to the lack of sourcing for them. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 19:02, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

• Um, what do you propose we source it with? You can't just wish upon a star that the magic chart fairy's gonna suddenly make a source available. If we can't source it, it HAS to go. See WP:V and WP:NOR. There has to be a source present now or the info goes, no exceptions. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 21:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

• "Anything that requires but lacks a source may be removed." "Anything that requires but lacks a source may be removed." "Anything that requires but lacks a source may be removed." Get the point? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 01:11, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

August 2010

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About You Now EP - Not That Far Away EP

Think about the Miranda Cosgrove version of "About You Now". That article mentions the song being released in the format of a digital download and EP. What makes "Not That Far Away" so different. It is just like the Miranda Cosgrove version of "About You Now". They both were released in the format of a digital download and EP.Dbunkley6 (talk) 18:41, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Kelly Rowland (album)

Hi thanks for your contribution. However "Forever & a Day" was deliberately written like it is because her official website and video static both call it "Forever & A Day" but capitalising the letter 'A' would be incorrect. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 (talk2me) 21:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Hmm I think you might have a point. I will ask at one of the relevant talk pages. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 (talk2me) 22:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually there is some MOS for ampersand which says "Retain ampersands in titles of works or organizations, such as The Tom & Jerry Show or AT&T". (WP:&) Since "Forever & a Day" is a work (singles and albums are works) ampersand does seem to be appropriate here. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 (talk2me) 22:32, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi thanks for updating this. I've checked ASCAP and the song has been renamed and registered as "Forever and a Day". -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 16:29, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Me too... I did think that the ampersand looked silly. Hmmm... I'm not sure. There were reports it was due in the uk on November 15, 2010 but they haven't been confirmed so it looks like it has been delayed :( -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 17:15, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I really like "Rose Colored Glasses". What do you think of it? The video is stunning! -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 17:20, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Music videos

Sorry about that, the IP who added them has been known for awhile to be adding completely made up info, so I just reverted all of his edits without looking which I completely did not think about. Thanks for correcting them, I'll check next time before reverting. --Caldorwards4 (talk) 22:38, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

A Little Bit Stronger

1. Check your links. You were linking to Hillary Scott instead of Hillary Scott (singer). 2. If a song title begins with A, An or The, please defaultsort it so that it alphabetizes under the next word (e.g. {{DEFAULTSORT:Little Bit Stronger}}). Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 19:43, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

September 2010

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Bubbling Under Chart Positions

Hi Clovers, Hope you are well. I thought you might like to look at this discussion. It is the most recent of many that have show a lack of support for the use of Bubbling Under Songs unless it is directly sourced from the Billboard magazine. Google books contains a good archive upto mid-2008. Beyond this and without the physical magazine such chart positions CANNOT be added to articles. Even with the correct source there is no such chart position as 122... Its the Billboard Hot 100. Thanks for you're time. I thought I'd let you know of this because it was a similar question I posed no too long ago. Good day. -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 22:39, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Joey + Rory. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If the edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. sorry guys but someone has to intervene -- Lil_℧niquℇ №1 | talk2me 22:41, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi

Could you please expand on your refs when you add them and not just put the URL; like () this. thanks Nowyouseemetalk2me 01:16, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

The World Is Ours Tonight

We've gone over this before. Don't redirect without discussion. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 02:47, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

The World Is Ours Tonight

This song definitely deserves it's own article; the article has 4 sources, critical reception, a music video has been shot, and the song charted within the top 40, plus with those sources this article probably can even be expanded further. I'd also like to point out that there are multiple articles that you created that you have no problem keeping, which haven't even charted (That's God, A Little Bit Stronger). ALBS even has the same amount of sources, so if "Ours Tonight" were to be redirected, ALBS should also be redirected because they contain the same amount of content (I know you will say ALBS can be expanded, but so can 'Ours Tonight'). I just don't quite understand why you feel it needs to be redirected when it has more notability than multiple articles you have created. Nowyouseemetalk2me 02:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

• And as I said, the song was on another album before it was on Gloriana's, so it doesn't make sense to merge to either of the two albums since it's pretty much equally tied to both. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 03:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I hear you.. but I'd also just like to say you just used an argument to avoid also - Wikipedia:NOEFFORT. Nowyouseemetalk2me 03:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

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Apologies

Sorry for being so snarky toward you of late. I've just been really frustrated latelty and have been taking it out on people I shouldn't be taking it out on. You've been really helpful at creating new content, and I should be focusing more on that and less on the areas where we disagree. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 16:40, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Sources

When you add sources, could you please remember to format them using {{cite web}}? Thanks. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 18:12, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

No, not necessarily. I've just noticed that whenever you create song pages you never use that format. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 03:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Billy Ray Cyrus

Yes he does :) It's an album of patriotic songs, including a duet with Willie Nelson! :) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 20:46, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree, I generally don't go for the patriotic songs either. Although I am a sucker for "God Bless the USA". I belt out that tune whenever it's on the radio :) But I am glad he is doing something again in country. I am a little disappointed that BC's album didn't achieve much success on the charts, but I can't do anything about it. I can't buy a million copies myself, I'd be $20,000 in debt by the time I'm 18 lol. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 01:39, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

So sad =( EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 23:05, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Stealing Angels for deletion

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Just to let you know...

...Miranda Lambert's Revolution is certified Platinum now. Did you not look at the RIAA source when you undid that edit changing it back to Gold? EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 14:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Alright. I was just curious as to see why you changed it back. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 16:14, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Big Time Rush album

You might be glad to know that Big Time Rush's album debuted at #3 on the Billboard 200. :) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 21:44, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

No problem :) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 20:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

November 2010

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I am glad that you added a source this time, however, it's not that hard to know how to properly add sources. Just ask me if you need assistance. I would be more than happy to help. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 16:34, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

It's very easy. Template:Cite web can help a lot, too. It's in a template, so it includes the brackets, {{reference here}}. Each step is just adding in the title of the article or book, the author's name if it's given, publisher, date, and accessdate. So, in the end it should look like this:

{{cite web|url=|title=|author=|date=|work=|publisher=|accessdate=May 3 2024}}

EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 17:09, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome. I hope we won't have to have encounters like this one again on this subject. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 17:28, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

RFC courtesy notice - succession boxes

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Dolly Parton discography

I've started a suggestion thread here. Please leave your opinion. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 01:50, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Stronger (Sara Evans album)

Sara Evans: "There's a song called 'Alone' that is going to be the third single" she explains. second to last paragraph. 1 — Gabe 19 ^{(talk contribs)} 00:22, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Star De Azlan

The new single is called "I Want a Man That Can Dance", per All Access. However, Music Row has it as "A Man Who Can Dance". Don't know which is the proper title. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 18:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 18:59, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

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Discuss first

before reverting all my stuff on Generation Love. IMHO, someone esle should be working on it, someone with proper music experience not just both of usOther dictionaries are better (talk) 14:42, 26 May 2011 (UTC) I'm not sure if you can't read or are blind, but this source shows it is a hot shot debut http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/billboardbiz/photos/pdf/country_update_0502.pdf. Discuss first. i've had enough. And there's no need to write back on my talk-write here.Other dictionaries are better (talk) 19:14, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

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Yes.

Will you please stop changing date formats when add the updated sales to album articles? Especially Paper Airplane? I'm guessing you just copy/paste the ref, which I don't care about, but please use the American date format in American topics. Thanks. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 20:16, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Lol, well I'm glad I told you. That is one of my biggest pet peeves. Wrong date format = not a happy camper. Haha EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 20:21, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

My Heart Can't Tell You No

Yeah, that definitely does not belong there. I've removed it from the song page and left a note on the IP's talk page. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 20:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Anytime buddy! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 21:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I have nothing to say other than report him. Report him for using multiple user names, accuse of WP:sock puppetry and vandalism. Idk if you use WP:TWINKLE or not, but there's a shortcut at the top of the page when you go onto a user's talk page over on the upper left hand side. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 20:41, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, you might want to watch out for the WP:3RR. I don't want to see you get blocked because of some idiot. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 20:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh okay. It's just a great, easier, faster way to edit and easier to deal with vandalism. I happen to love it. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 23:52, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Shania Twain discography

Can you please participation in the discussion here? Thank you. Eric444 (talk) 01:26, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello!

Hey buddy! How ya been? It's been quite a while since we have spoken. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 23:52, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, same here. I'm rather enjoying it, actually. What are you majoring in? EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 01:04, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Sweet. I'm double majoring in criminal justice and forensic science. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 01:17, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Hahaha, umm not really. I'm pretty much just focusing on school as much as I can. I've been pretty lonely because all of my friends that were in my graduating class have all went away to college, or just don't talk to me anymore. See, I'm commuting to school. I'm going to community college for various reasons. But it's only a 45 minute drive in the mornings, so it's not so bad. Lol...anything new with you?? EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 01:47, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't have classes today or tomorrow! :) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 14:38, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh yes, I couldn't agree more! But I usually do as much homework as I possibly can on those days. Lol EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 04:01, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Lol, same here. I didn't so a single thing until today and I sat outside and enjoyed the weather and did a lot, then it got cold when it got shaded over. Hahah EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 04:32, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh my gosh I hear ya! It's supposed to only be in the 70's all week here in the STL area. Hopefully next week won't be back in the 90's-100's. Blehh!! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 04:37, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Lol me too. It's actually rather chilly at the moment. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 14:26, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

I know it feels great now! I'm currently sitting outside enjoying it. :) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 18:53, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Yo!

Hey home skillet biscuit. Would you happen to be on Twitter? EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 00:59, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, poo. That's not the answer I was expecting lol EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 22:44, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Ahaha, that's quite alright. But you change your mind sometime, lemme know :) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 23:57, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful =)) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 04:24, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

My life right now is all about school, school, school, and no fun. It's so stressful, but I still love it. I can't wait for Christmas break. I get over a month a half off! Other than that, life is good lol. Gotta new baby niece that's 2 weeks old now. How bout you home slice? Things good at your end? EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 15:02, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh that's cool beans. I don't know if I get a fall break or not. I only get like 2 days off for Thanksgiving, but not sure if there's anymore time off between now and then. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 19:14, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Well aren't you lucky?? ;) I get the day of Thanksgiving and the Friday after and thats it. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 03:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Lol true, but its also one extra day to sleep in! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 14:29, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh my gosh, I definitely am not a morning person. Not at all. My first class is at 9:00 a.m. and I hafta wake up like 3 hours before and leave at 8:00 a.m. to get there, and then, the class is until 11:00 a.m. It's torture I tell you, TORTURE! ;) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 14:33, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Haha, must be nice living on campus. I have a 50 minute drive. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 14:47, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh, dude, it sucks. It's awful for sure. And yes, it does take a lot of time and gas money. But I only have classes on Tuesdays and Thursday, but still, that's like over 200 miles a week. I've put like 3,000 miles on my car since school started. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 01:25, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Hahaha, I kind of wish I had gone away to school, but I don't think I'm ready to be out on my own just yet. Lol. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 21:48, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear that. Maybe now I won't be too afraid of it when the time comes for me. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 23:11, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Cross your fingers! =P EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 23:16, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Perfect! :) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 01:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Surprisingly, no. I just don't think anything good has come out of Nashville in a while. I don't have a favorite country song at the moment, and I'm not really looking forward to any new albums. The only thing I might consider is Miranda Lambert's new album. Other than that, country music is rather boring me to death. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 02:03, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm just really in love with the dance-pop craze right now and not really interested in country music. How is Scotty's album? His voice and watching him sing irritates me. I forgot about Martina's album. I'm still blasting my old Billy Ray records in my car, though. :) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 15:48, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm American is just how you said. Very "ehh, iffy". It's okay, I mean I enjoy listening to it, but it definitely isn't his best work. I'm still fond of Wanna Be Your Joe. I actually played the entire CD from start to finish today. I thought Scotty was okay on Idol, but was secretly not routing for him. Lol ;) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 20:45, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, "Nineteen" and the title track are my favorites. It's awesome that Scotty isn't even the same age as we are, and yet the kid has the number one album in the country, and won a major singing competition. Gotta give him props for having loyal fans so early on in the game. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 21:10, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Ohh, gotcha. I guess I had quite the brain fart. Haha. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 22:18, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Lol. Just realized we've got almost a 5 day conversation here :) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 00:31, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

True lol. That's why I wish you had Twitter! EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 21:16, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Lol, I figured you would know I was gonna say that. Telekinesis ;) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 01:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Hahah, yeah you should obtain that power. Lol =D EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 20:28, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Lmao. Wonderful :) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 20:55, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Catching up

As I'm not very active on here much anymore, curious to know if you at least have got a Facebook? ;) Aware you don't have Twitter and don't have plans on getting on anytime soon, so I figure this is the next best thing. Just recently got mine back after not having it for like 4 years. Haha. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 04:11, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Addedd :) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 05:00, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Yayy! :)) EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 05:20, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

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LeAnn Rimes discography

I have posted sources supporting that the "What Have I Done" is a single and you keep removing them all the sources are reliable just cause you do not agree does not make you right another person named Status also told you the same thing. 2 people have contradicted you you need to let it go, also you removed information that was added such as the music video for "What Have I Done" which is on the official videos page of LeAnn's website. 184.58.0.27 (talk) 15:04, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Also if you read this: http://leannrimesworld.com/news/117451 it clearly states in the first line: "The second single off of LeAnn's upcoming album, 'Spitfire', is available now! Make sure you grab a copy today!" 184.58.0.27 (talk) 15:08, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

It is pretty clear on the official site that "What Have I Done" is a single otherwise it would not called "Borrowed" the second single from the album. I am not arguing that point anymore. When you reverted you did remove a lot that was sourced. 184.58.0.27 (talk) 07:17, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Done

Hi. I see you've uncapitalized this in several places, but I really think it is stylized that way. [1] NYSMy talk page 16:05, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

I agree it shouldn't be stylized like that everywhere, just a mention of (styled as "DONE.") at Done (song) like Tik Tok. I'm sure it's just a cute marketing strategy, kind of like how a lot of Shania's songs have exclamation points. NYSMy talk page 17:53, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Maryville tennis

No, it's not currently on the website, but no announcement has been made in any source that the sport has been dropped. Yes, they had a disastrous season last year, but one would think that some announcement would be made if the sport actually was discontinued. There is nothing to that effect on the Maryville athletics website, on the Maryville University website, on the GLVC website, or anywhere in the news. (I did a lot of searching before reverting your edit.) Until there is something more official, we can assume that it was mistakenly omitted from the website. GWFrog (talk) 18:13, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

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Luke Bryan

I am not saying that I don't believe your information. But I treat everyone equally. If you were a first time IP poster, no one would let an unreferenced single remain. So, why should we let a "senior" editor get away with it. Kellymoat (talk) 12:45, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

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Please do not unsourced peaks ahead of when Billboard updates without a source, as you did at Josh Turner discography. Please add a reference with a link to the place where you got the information, otherwise this contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. You were previously warned about making unsourced additions by Kellymoat just above. Ss112 09:46, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

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Heart Break (Lady Antebellum album)

It doesn't matter how obvious we think something is that it must be so obvious to others. We need a source for genres, because I've seen even the most basic be challenged. Billboard's categorisation of what an album or a song is their opinion and not a critical discussion of a work asserting what genre it is. I could say "it's obvious AC/DC are a rock band, we don't need a source". Others may still disagree. Also, even if the information in the infobox was unsourced, it doesn't mean we get to add more to it. Ss112 15:37, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Well, your experiences must be different because I've seen many obvious genres disputed, including country acts. There's really no givens on Wikipedia with some editors. Some will swear red is blue. Personally, I always remain cautious with labeling any genres. Also, if you respond, it's best to keep it on one talk page. Ss112 15:59, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

No, it's best not to split replies between two talk pages so others can follow the conversation logically, so please just ping the other person in future. Also, that's like saying because Billboard determined something to be "alternative" or "rock" that must make it so. Most genres, including country, are quite broad. That's not critical reception, it's just arbitrary categorisation and as far as I am aware, not accepted as the way to source a genre. Ss112 16:12, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

@Ss112: I've never done this method of reply before but I looked it up so hopefully I did it right. Billboard is a reputable source, so if they determined something to be "alternative" or "rock," that kinda would make it so, actually. I realize country music is a really broad genre, which is why I said what I said about if someone wanted to throw around labels like "country pop" or "country rock" etc. then they'd need to back that up with sources, but just to label it under the country music umbrella proper? Billboard already did that. CloversMallRat (talk) 16:45, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I've seen acts of many different genres chart on their alternative charts—pop, electronic, rock, and beyond. "Alternative" isn't a very descriptive genre label and could mean just about anything. My point is we need critical sources, not charts, telling us what something is. Now if Billboard published an article with a critic saying "this is a country album", that would be much more preferable to their broad chart categorisation of what a song or an album is. I've seen many experienced music editors over the years reject others asserting "this is rock because Billboard let it chart on their rock chart." It really isn't much proof of anything. Charts are tantamount to the AllMusic sidebar to me—disallowed per WP:ALBUMAVOID—in the sense that it is broad categorisation. If there isn't anything about sourcing genres from what charts they appear on there, there should be. Anyway, this is getting away from the point. You found a source that wasn't their Country Albums chart. Ss112 16:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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Hi. In future, if you're going to remove singles from the table for whatever reason, because you think they're promo singles (like you did at Kelsea Ballerini), then please at least insert a mention/move the information in the prose like I did. Also, earlier than that, I saw that you added the peak for the John Rich song after Billboard tweeted about it, but Billboard's actual chart history pages on their website had not updated at that time. Please, in future, cite the tweet. As it's from Billboard's official Twitter, it's fine to cite as a temporary source as the information needs to be verifiable. Thanks. Ss112 11:05, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

@Ss112: The song was a pretty non-notable release so I didn't feel like it needed to be moved to the prose or anything (I mean, it took 8 months for anyone to even post anything about its existence), but it's fine if you think it needed mentioned somewhere. That said, next time you might wanna check the release date in your source too since you adding it to the table suggested it was her newest official single released in 2019, but then included a source that said it dropped in October 2018. Dropping random songs out on iTunes also doesn't make something a single, either. Thanks. CloversMallRat (talk) 16:01, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

It was released to streaming services yesterday, so technically it was released in 2019 as well. A song doesn't need to be "notable" to be included in a singles table, it just has to be a single. Furthermore, I don't know what part of "single" you misunderstand, but you must be holding on to some outdated 20th century terms where a song has to be released to good ol' country radio to be a single. That's not it anymore. A song receiving a commercial release on its own, not in promotion of anything/not accompanied by an album, to streaming services can almost certainly be considered a single. A radio release is not a requirement per any measure on Wikipedia (some users point to WP:SINGLE?, but that's an essay, not policy), so we don't consider songs singles only when they're released to US country radio. Consider this in future before continuing to remove songs any user adds to singles tables on country artists' articles you've watchlisted, because it's looking like you're enforcing your idea of what is a single by some outdated country radio standard that nobody else uses and it's getting to be annoying. No need to ping me. I'm done here. Thanks. Ss112 16:07, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

@Ss112: Okay well you still only cited a source with it that had an October release date, nothing from 2019. She also literally dropped a new song (not from 2018) from her stint on Songland today and no mention of that though. Some other country acts have separate tables for promotional singles where they were just dropped out on iTunes/streaming but never pushed as an actual single from an album, and I think that seems totally reasonable. It doesn't make sense to put those songs in the same mix as the ones actively being promoted as official singles to country radio. When she releases her next lead single, publications are going to call it the follow-up to "Miss Me More" no matter if she releases a half dozen standalone songs in the meantime. And radio is still king in the country genre when it comes to the promotion of singles, even if other musical genres have started to move past that. Lastly, you'd probably make more headway with other users if you weren't condescending about every little thing. The attitude is unnecessary and counter-productive. CloversMallRat (talk) 16:34, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you looked hard enough. I did add a mention of her Songland to her article. Not in the singles table, because I discovered that after you had taken issue with the other one and you probably would have removed that too. It's hard not to "have an attitude" when it's a recurring problem from mostly only you on country artists' articles and you're still clinging to this outdated notion that airplay is the be-all and end-all for a single. What is a single to country radio doesn't rule Wikipedia. I fail to see how "Wish You Were" can be a "promotional single" when it wasn't in released in promotion of literally anything—it can only be promotional when there's an album or another project to promote. I also asked you to not ping me. Your disregard of someone else's request when they don't want to be notified of your attempt to carry on a conversation is additionally unnecessary and counter-productive. Now bye. Ss112 16:47, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

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Hi. As you now frequently update country artists' peaks on the Billboard charts, can you please begin to update the URLs in the column header references? I just noticed you did not do this at Old Dominion (band). As the user adding peaks, you need to make sure the links at the tops of the columns that you're relying on as sources for the material you're adding work/are up to date (per WP:V, of course). For example, I notice you updated a Country Airplay peak on Miranda Lambert discography. The column reference still cites https://www.billboard.com/music/miranda-lambert/chart-history/country-airplay, which, while correctly displaying the first 10 (usually highest) peaks Lambert has achieved on that chart, you will notice if you scroll down and the page begins to load more, those that follow are not the Country Airplay peaks—because the chart URL is not up to date, it defaults to showing the Hot 100 peaks (and if the artist has not charted on the Hot 100, it displays the peaks of whichever other primary chart the artist has appeared on). The new URLs use chart codes and take a little time to get used to, but they're not very hard to remember. Country Songs is CSI, Country Airplay is CSA, the Hot 100 is HSI, the Canadian Hot 100 is CAN and the Canada Country chart is CCW. For any others, you can click through to the links in the drop-down menu for an artist at, for example, https://www.billboard.com/music/miranda-lambert/chart-history. I'm sure it will only take a few seconds for example, to change country-songs to CSI, and update the accessdate in the references when you're adding new peaks in future weeks. Having done that, it follows there will obviously be no concerns about adding peaks from unverifiable/inaccessible sources from anybody (for example, I know the user Jax 0677 pointed this out to me when I forgot to do it once, so I'm not the only user who has noticed this). Thanks. Ss112 04:41, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Clovers, it's two years later and you're still not updating the country chart URLs in the few places where they're not conformed to the current format. I edited Joe Nichols discography the same minute you did as I saw he charted on the Country Airplay chart too, but this revision still uses this Billboard link for the Country Airplay chart, which, while it still works, should preferably point to the Country Airplay chart like so. I know it can be a pain to check, but please do so in future—it will ensure the positions you're adding are properly sourced. Thanks. Ss112 23:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

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Per your reading of WP:REDLINK here, two of those four songwriters are mentioned on dozens of articles here already and have categories. Those articles should exist. If you'd like to start Jessie Jo Dillon, this may help. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:22, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@Koavf: and yet interestingly enough, not a single one of the articles that comes up when you do a search for any of these songwriters has any red links for them. They're just so relevant that after decades of writing songs no one has even bothered to create an article for any of them... but now putting up a red link on one album page is somehow supposed to rectify that? If you feel these articles should exist, be my guest and create them. You spend a great deal of time on Wikipedia, so I'm sure you would be able to get them off the ground. CloversMallRat (talk) 07:26, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

CloversMallRat, What does that have to do with anything? It's not my job to do everything around here. Per WP:REDLINK, it's fine to include redlinks of articles that should exist and it seems like these should. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:31, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@Koavf: Because you seem to be the one that is bothered that these articles do not exist? Last time you made a Brandy Clark album article you didn't even bother to put links where there actually were songwriters who already had articles, and now you're suddenly worried about linking to ones who don't even have pages yet because they have low notability. Very few noteworthy songs are included in Jessie Jo Dillon's category. CloversMallRat (talk) 07:40, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

CloversMallRat, Again: it's not my job to do everything around here. I'm not obliged to make every article that can or should exist or include every link. You seem to have a problem with me improving things by making the perfect the enemy of the good. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:10, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, As you might have seen, I expended the Caylee Hammack a bit a couple of weeks ago and I was just notified about your change. I was looking for a definition (from Wikipedia) about what is a single and what not but was unable to find one. The songs that you removed from the article were e.g. all published as singles in the iTunes Store. Does that not count as a single then? --Heubergen (talk) 08:45, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Heubergen: it's a bit of a gray area that varies by genre and region, so there's not really like one definitive answer, but typically country artists singles are the ones that are promoted to country radio. Songs like "Preciatcha" that were released on iTunes but not pushed to radio could be considered 'promotional singles,' but they are in a different league than something like "Family Tree" that was promoted at radio for the better part of a year. "Small Town Hypocrite" was supposed to be her second single at radio, but for unknown reasons its release was cancelled. So for now those are all just promotional singles at best. CloversMallRat (talk) 16:28, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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Just in case you have pings or some such turned off like some editors do, regarding you adding a peak to Midland (band) and whichever other country artist articles you have added peaks to recently that still have the old Billboard URLs on them: please make sure you update the URLs if you are going to add peaks to these articles. In case you were unaware, if the artist has more than one page of results for a certain chart, using an old Billboard URL that has the full chart name in it (e.g. ending in "country-airplay") and not the code (e.g. ending in "CSA") will not show the peaks on and beyond the second page, so in some instances you have added unsourced information because the new peaks you're adding are not accessible through the citations in the column headers. Please take the time to update these in future, as I believe this is not the first time I've brought this up with you. In future I will be reverting instances of unsourced peaks being added. Thank you. Ss112 04:20, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

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So what sources do you want me to add to Can You Duet? The ones that don't exist, or the ones that have nothing to do with the show? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 16:36, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

User:TenPoundHammer Well the show is like 13 years old at this point, so what new sources do you expect to be cropping up about the show? At the time it aired, there was plenty of press about it that no longer exists because that's how the Internet works, sadly. Doesn't mean the show should be removed from the encyclopedia years down the road. CloversMallRat (talk) 20:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

It still means that the show may not pass WP:GNG because there are no sources to verify anything about it. Notability is not temporary, but that doesn't mean you get to say "well there might have maybe been some sources possibly in the past". Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:55, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

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September 2022: Still updating peaks without changing the sources when the artists do not have artist chart history pages

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Jimmie Allen, you may be blocked from editing. Ss112 04:14, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

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Pain by Ingrid Andress

Hello. As I explained in this diff, MusicRow lists singles that have been sent to country radio as explained over at WP:SINGLE?. Therefore, "Pain" is considered a single. Regards, Sebbirrrr (talk) 08:40, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

That list must be incorrect because not all of those songs ("Pain" included) were sent to country radio. She has so far had no follow-up released to the country format following the peaking of "Wishful Drinking" within the last 2 weeks, and they certainly wouldn't have issued "Pain" clear back in June when "Wishful Drinking" was nowhere close to peaking. Just perusing through this list and I see quite a few other songs that were released as promotional singles ahead of the album release to iTunes/streaming platforms, but they were most assuredly NOT sent to radio stations. Other examples that fall under this category include "Mr. Saturday Night" by Jon Pardi, "Love Is a Cowboy" by Kelsea Ballerini, "Grand" by Kane Brown, "Watermelon Moonshine" by Lainey Wilson, and many others. This list is not indicative of what songs were actually released as country radio singles. CloversMallRat (talk) 04:33, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

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CS1 error on Lauren Alaina discography

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Track listing formats

We have talked about this before. Please stop changing the style of track listing formats per MOS:VAR, MOS:RETAIN, and WP:ALBUMSTYLE. Why do you insist on doing this, when you know full well that it's not appropriate? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:01, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

This is his sixth country album and all of the prior ones have an established tracklisting format like the one that someone else had changed it to on Carolyn's Boy previously (before I did). Your reasoning for reverting is always basically boiled down to merely "I created the article first so we have to use this because I prefer it." There is no grounds that say the other format is incorrect, and it is used on the vast majority of album articles for mainstream music acts across Wikipedia, particularly new releases. If this style were inappropriate, then why is it in such abundantly wide use on this website? CloversMallRat (talk) 00:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

It is incorrect for this article. Have you ever read MOS:VAR, MOS:RETAIN, or WP:ALBUMSTYLE? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:23, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I have since you linked them and as I said before, it basically boils down to saying that since you created the article and decided upon those parameters for yourself merely by being the first editor to type up the tracklist, therefore it's an "established" style that cannot be changed. As said before, if that tracklisting were invalid, then it would not be allowed widely across Wikipedia, including his prior albums. CloversMallRat (talk) 00:30, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, exactly: so you do understand that when either of two styles is acceptable it is inappropriate for a Wikipedia editor to change from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change and enforcing optional style in a bot-like fashion without prior consensus, is never acceptable, so why do you keep on contradicting this guideline? Why do we have this same conversation over and over again for years? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:43, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

The issue is the way with which you police articles that you've created with a sense of authority, so that you revert beneficial edits made by others if they don't fit your narrow viewpoints. Going beyond the tracklisting nonsense, it is generally and widely accepted to recognize acts that have feature or duet credits on an album beyond just a footnote in the personnel list, likewise a reference to him including a cover of a famous pop song on the record. It's no less important than referencing what songs preceded it as singles despite it being in the infobox as well or multiple mentions of the name coming from his dead mom. You're actively picking and choosing things that do or don't apply arbitrarily at this point. CloversMallRat (talk) 00:52, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Adding {{track listing}} is not helpful. Why do you refuse to respect the existing styles on this article or WP:BRD? Why do we keep on having this same conversation for years and years when you keep on ignoring the guidelines and policies here? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:54, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

We've moved past that and I'm left wondering why you routinely continue to revert helpful edits and remove sourced and valid content from articles? CloversMallRat (talk) 00:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

We haven't moved past it, as you keep on contradicting it: you do not respect the existing styles on the page and you do not abide by WP:BRD. Since Wikipedia:Consensus is a policy and you refuse to post to the talk page to get consensus, why do you think the rules don't apply to you? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:02, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

No further edits have been made to disrupt your "existing style" for the tracklist, but you have made several attempts to delete sourced and notable information from the article. Why do you think this is okay to do or that some consensus must be reached for anything new to be added? CloversMallRat (talk) 01:07, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

As I have pointed out several times now, this article uses list-defined references and you refuse to abide by that. Why? Again: why do you keep on changing styles over and over again and we keep on having this same conversation? You've never answered this question. Why do you keep on doing this? "Why do you think this is okay to do or that some consensus must be reached for anything new to be added?" I never wrote that. Note that I didn't remove you adding chart peaks: I removed you adding redundant information from poor sources. Please pay attention, don't put words in my mouth, and answer the question I have asked you over and over again for years now. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:11, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Nothing added to the article by myself could be accurately described by anyone as poorly sourced nor redundant. All of it has been valid and notable information for the article at hand. I'm also unsure what the quotations nonsense you injected in there was about as I didn't make any direct quotes on your behalf, but you did indeed seem to imply that essentially some form of consensus needed to be reached for anyone else to add information to the article, hence you being trigger-happy on reversions. Instead you should be thanking me for adding beneficial contributions. CloversMallRat (talk) 01:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

As I have pointed out several times now, this article uses list-defined references and you refuse to abide by that. Why? Again: why do you keep on changing styles over and over again and we keep on having this same conversation? You've never answered this question. Why do you keep on doing this? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Nothing I've added to the article was previously referenced sufficiently in your "list." A list does not properly represent any of the information that I've since provided to the article. CloversMallRat (talk) 02:21, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

That answers none of my questions. As I have pointed out several times now, this article uses list-defined references and you refuse to abide by that. Why? Again: why do you keep on changing styles over and over again and we keep on having this same conversation? You've never answered this question. Why do you keep on doing this? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC) ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:07, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

This is the first time you've even bothered to link this "list-defined references" business so now that I actually know what the hell you're going on about, I've fixed it. You can stop having an aneurysm now. You could've literally just... moved the reference from the body of the article to the list at the bottom if it was that big of an issue instead of all of this nonsense. CloversMallRat (talk) 03:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

It's not my fault that somehow in 15 years you don't know that nor do you have the good faith effort to try to learn. why do you keep on changing styles over and over again and we keep on having this same conversation? You've never answered this question. Why do you keep on doing this? why do you keep on changing styles over and over again and we keep on having this same conversation? You've never answered this question. Why do you keep on doing this? why do you keep on changing styles over and over again and we keep on having this same conversation? You've never answered this question. Why do you keep on doing this? why do you keep on changing styles over and over again and we keep on having this same conversation? You've never answered this question. Why do you keep on doing this? why do you keep on changing styles over and over again and we keep on having this same conversation? You've never answered this question. Why do you keep on doing this? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

This Is the Heavy and Never Enough

Hi, I was wondering if you could create articles for Mitchell Tenpenny's album This Is the Heavy and Parker McCollum's album Never Enough? Thanks. David829 (talk) 13:52, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Sure, I will try to get to those soon! CloversMallRat (talk) 23:32, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

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Current country music singles

Hi, I was wondering if you could move all the U. S. and Canada country music singles that are currently charting from the 2023 in country music page to the 2024 in country music page? Thanks David 829 (talk) 00:10, 08 January 2024 (UTC)

I moved the U.S. ones over just now, but the Canadian ones I'll either have to wait on or someone else will have to do it. CloversMallRat (talk) 01:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

CS1 error on If He Wanted to He Would

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CS1 error on Hailey Whitters

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CS1 error on Lee Brice discography

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Billboard re-uploaded the issue

My first edits were correct at the time. It looks like Billboard re-uploaded the Country Update and added the number 26 debut of Lee Brice's song and things below that were thrown off one. Ss112 23:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I wondered what happened. I fixed a lot of them. CloversMallRat (talk) 23:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)