User talk:Citizen of the state
Please see what I wrote about the Shabak (on the talk page of the Shabak). Citizen of the state (talk) 22:06, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Please do not add content without citing reliable sources, as you did to Censorship by Google. Before making potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. If you are familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources please take this opportunity to add your original reference to the article. Contact me if you need assistance adding references. Thank you. Gwernol 22:33, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for your comments. I'm the reliable source myself. I do have evidence. I will write on the talk page and quote some of the evidence I have. Please note, this issue is top secret by both Google and governments of the United States and Israel, secret agents will try to delete it from Wikipedia, so please don't delete the discussion from the discussion page. Citizen of the state (talk) 22:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- I'm afraid you would not count as a reliable source for the purposes of writing on an encyclopedia article. [sources] are third-party, published sources. I'm afraid anyone's personal account does not count. It is also worth noting that extraordinary claims such as yours require especially strong evidence to support inclusion in a Wikipedia article. I won't delete the discussion from the talk page, but please do not attempt to include this information in any article until you are able to properly cite very high quality published, independent sources for them. Thanks for understanding, Gwernol 23:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for your comments. I'm the reliable source myself. I do have evidence. I will write on the talk page and quote some of the evidence I have. Please note, this issue is top secret by both Google and governments of the United States and Israel, secret agents will try to delete it from Wikipedia, so please don't delete the discussion from the discussion page. Citizen of the state (talk) 22:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, you're right. You need evidence. Look what I wrote on Talk:Censorship by Google, Talk:Shabak and Tali Fahima (I personally met Tali Fahima), and also in Hebrew on [Tali Fahima's blog] (last page, number 7) and also on [this website], after writing similar thinks by email and specifically about the Shabak, I was banned for sending any more email (after a few minutes) and every time I try to send any mail whatsoever (even to myself) I receive an error message "an error occurred trying to send the message", both in Internet Explorer and Firefox, see screen copies on this website. This is direct censorship by governments of Israel and the United States and specifically Mossad and Shabak.
People from Mossad and Shabak completely banned me from writing anything on Wikipedia in Hebrew. Google received an urgent "shut me up" order because what I'm saying is top, top, top secret and extremely embarrassing for the government of Israel. They don't want to arrest me since then my arrest will be made public, I'm not breaking the law and therefore they're trying to declare me "insane" (read what I wrote about defamation and other things on Talk:Shabak).
It's also related to me being a pacifist, objecting to nuclear weapons (I also wrote to members of Knesset about that and I received answers), objecting to bombing civilians by the Israeli air force and called for a cease fire during the second Israel/Lebanon war. Write to members of Knesset directly (I created this website), ask them if what I'm saying is true. If one of them will deny it, forward me his or her email and I will send you evidence that it's true. Send the evidence back to them and they will never comment about it. It's top secret in Israel and in the United States too.
They're trying to prevent me from saying what I am saying, although I'm not breaking the law and I do have freedom of speech legally, but I'm very good in computers and law and they are not able to prevent me from saying it and also publishing all the screen copies on this website.
It's already half day that I can't send any mail through Gmail, and the only explanation I get is "an error occurred trying to send the message" - it's a direct "shut up and remain silent" order by the government of Israel, Mossad and Shabak.
If you need any more information, send me email to uri@speedy.net
Citizen of the state (talk) 00:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Re: Shabak[edit]
What you are doing constitutes Wikipedia:Original research and therefore makes it against Wikipedia policy to publish. As long as you find reliable secondary sources, you may publish whatever sourced material you wish. You yourself do not constitute a reliable source, no matter what you personally know or what your past experiences are. I am not in any way related to the Shabak, only trying to keep Wikipedia clean of original research. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 12:10, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
User page[edit]
User pages are not to be used for soapboxing and promoting original research. Generally Wikipedia gives users broad discretion to say what they like in their own userspace. However, this leniency is not unlimited. Your userpage has clearly crossed the line. Wikipedia is neither a hosting service, nor a social networking site. As such, I am going to blank your userpage. Please do not use that page for promoting your original research. Thank you. Jehochman Talk 12:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Accusing other users[edit]
Additionally, if you accuse other users of being affiliated with intelligence agencies, that creates a very unpleasant atmosphere. Do not do that again, or you will be blocked from editing. Jehochman Talk 12:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
BLP violation[edit]
This edit is a serious violation of biography of living persons policy, and original research. I am going to continue checking your contributions. If I find that they are totally unacceptable, I may block you from further editing. Jehochman Talk 12:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Restoring your contribution to Censorship by Google[edit]
I'm afraid I wont be restoring your edits to the article Censorship by Google. As I have already stated, you need to cite reliable, published, third-party evidence to back up these very serious claims. Your personal experience is not third-party, published evidence. Like all encyclopedias, Wikipedia gathers up information that has already been published in reliable sources. It is not a forum for publishing new and/or anecdotal evidence.
By the way, I object to your implication that I am working for, or am influenced by, the US, Israeli or any other government. I can assure you I am not. I edit purely and solely as an individual. The problem isn't the nature of your accusations - I have no way of knowing if they are true or not - but that you have not ben able to produce independent evidence to support them.
Please read our policy on verifiability which applies to every addition to every article on Wikipedia, not just to you. This is one of the three core pillars of Wikipedia and it is non-negotiable. Thanks for understanding. I know this is important to you, but I'm afraid Wikipedia isn't the right forum for this information as it stands. Best, Gwernol 14:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi[edit]
I'm not sure if you're trolling or you really do believe that "they" (whoever they may be) control everything. I am Israeli and no, I'm not affiliated with the Shabak or the CIA, and while I have no problem believing you when you say that the shabak abused you in one way or another - this isn't the place to discuss it. Try talking to some journalists and getting them interested in the story. However, if you continue to write opinion pieces on talk and user pages, and adding unsourced\unverifiable material, I will block you. Yonatan talk 14:52, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
OK[edit]
Thanks for your comments, I read them and I was not aware of Wikipedia:Original research and other policies. Although as I said, I think the public has the right to know the truth about intelligence organization such as Shabak and Mossad (and not only them), and these rules exactly fit such organizations because any media organization and especially all the media corporations in Israel, the United States and all big countries are closely related to governments, and governments don't want the majority of their citizens to know what methods they have to shut up minorities or people who support the minorities. And with Wikipedia's rules, Wikipedia itself become just another corporation who is afraid to write anything against any government, especially the government of the United States (which is very closely related to the government of Israel), because they can be sued and go bankrupt. And therefore, like any organization who has what to lose, they prefer to hide the truth from the public. I think what you call reliable secondary sources will never be about things considered top secret by governments, for example the fact that organizations such as Shabak use methods such as humiliation, defamation and frightening people to death.
By the way, the Shabak didn'y abuse only me personally. They do it to everybody. The difference with me is that I'm strong enough not to break down, and I'm smart enough to have evidence about them, including electronic communications I received directly from people of the Shabak.
Citizen of the state (talk) 18:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)