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Please comment on Talk:Second Amendment to the United States Constitution

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Please Discuss the Issue of Notability of Historical Figures in Small Communities

Who is notable and who is not? For example, if a historical figure was the mayor of a large city, then everyone would assume that he was noteworthy. But if a historical figure was the mayor of a small town, then it appears that Wikipedia editors believe that he is not noteworthy because the town was small. In my view there are several reasons why this is bad policy:

  • Who is to decide what is "small enough" to not rate vs. what is "large enough" to rate? Where is the line? And can it be consistently applied?
  • It discriminates against smaller towns -- a person of enormous influence in the small town would never rate -- simply because of the size of the town.
  • It also appears disingenuous for Wikipedia to list information about a small town -- devoting a whole page to it on the site -- and yet be unwilling to add additional historical details of its prominent citizens.
  • In an electronic environment where inclusion of historical information about small communities is just a few more "bytes" it seems petty to legislate against it. After all, this isn't a print encyclopedia -- so there is no justification of limiting the quantity of articles
  • Not allowing historical information about key people in small communities keeps the public from a wealth of historical information.

Simply put, it would appear that if a historical person had been discussed in printed articles and newspapers at the time when he or she was alive then it passes the test of notability. After all how can we, many decades later, make a judgment call of "notability" when we weren't there to know?

So, please tell me on what grounds Wikipedia routinely deletes articles about historical individuals of significance to their small communities -- because they are not "notable." Thanks. Historicalbios (talk) 05:35, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Wikipedia actually has notability guidelines pertaining to a wide range of subjects. The guidelines for people can be found here, while specific guidelines pertaining to politicians can be found here. The Frederick Strain article was deleted as a recreation of an article previously deleted as a result of community consensus. You can see the discussion here. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 06:18, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
    • Ahh, but if you read the original "community consensus" you will see that while some voiced that it was noteworthy when taken in the context of a small community, the majority said that he was insignificant because the town he served was small. The point is that the article does meet the Wikipedia criteria: primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article". Also, if you take a careful look, you will see that two or three of those who voted to delete the article were systematically endeavoring to delete all of the contributions of the author. Whenever editors gang up on an author Wikipedia should ALWAYS error on the side of the author. Bullying by editors is one of the reasons Wikipedia is now in trouble (as reported in various media outlets). I encourage you to actually read the original post and original deletion discussion. Trace out the trail of those who were attempting to censure the contributions of the author. Such actions by Wikipedia is shameful and should not be tolerated. And the truth is that this man made a significant contribution to his community as attested by his peers at the time. There is ample proof of that. I have seen many articles on Wikipedia that have far less actual cited references. Historicalbios (talk) 01:48, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
      • I would recommend that you take your concerns to deletion review, where editors examine policy to determine if there is sufficient justification for removal of the article from Wikipedia. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 09:17, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

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RfA

From what I understand, the candidate is based in India, and 93.186.23.80 appears to be posting from a WiFi connection in or near Skipton in North Yorkshire, England. Google searching provides no Twitter returns for the cited statements - or even anything similar anywhere. Two Twiter accounts for the same or similar names are not the same person and appear to be unconnected with the candidate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:19, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Yeah, Mike is in Bangalore. He has a twitter account, albeit it under a different name. He hasn't posted anything since December 17, 2011 and doesn't generally post anything about Wikipedia. On the other hand, the nominator does actually have a twitter account and regularly rants about various disputes he has with Wikipedia. (No idea who the IP is though.) Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 12:39, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Most of the voters are syops (and one steward), and the others are well established users. I think we may possibly have a troll IP on our hands. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:57, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
  • I vote for troll. I noticed he changed his IP address. He could be an editor with a registered account that experienced some difficulties with his editing at the hands of the nominator. Oy vey. LOL Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 13:08, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Possible. The IP has only changed by the last digit. probably switched his smartphone off and reconnected. It's the same WiFi location - maybe he's just moved to another pub just down the road! How far do we let it go before I block for disrupting a due due process? Perhaps just move the whole thing to the talk page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:35, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Personally, I would opt to move it to the talk page. At this point, the only purpose appears to be an attempt to disrupt. Things like this really puzzle me. A new editor comes on an RFA only for the purpose of disruption? Clearly he is not a new editor, otherwise, how would he know to come to an RFA, how does he know that he is not able to offer a recommendation, and why would he know or be concerned about canvassing? Somethings very fishy in fishville. Makes me wonder who he really is and what agenda he has on his mind. Ugh. LOL Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 17:03, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Obviously a sock. I've pinpointed it to the street where the WiFi is based. CUs can do better - but as yet there are unfortunately no compelling grounds for an SPI. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:19, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Question about the spring semester

Cindy, I noticed that Mitch Harden added his classes (twice, it seems?) to this page, and left the ambassador names on -- surely they should be blanked? Also, given LiAnna's recent email, 200 students would require about a dozen ambassadors, so I'd be surprised if they included this class since it would absorb so many of the available ambassadors. Is there a list somewhere of the classes for which we should be signing up? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:46, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Honestly, I don't have the answers for you. The WMF Outreach team is running a bit rogue right now, leaving the volunteers and Steering Committee out of the loop. The WMFO is setting up the program without regard for overwhelming the community. Several volunteers are disillusioned and stepping back from the program. We simply do not have the interest or OAs to support the influx of students and classes that the WMFO is bringing in. They have stated that they are limiting the number of students and classes, but have failed to deliver a structure or means to accomplish this task. I sense a big mess left to the community to clean up. I will not be working directly with any students or classes exclusively this next semester. After this past semester, I've just basically thrown my hands up in the air. Time will tell whether the education program has a future or not. Wish I had better news for you. Hope you are doing well. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 02:41, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Ouch. I'd like to query LiAnna and Jami about the state of play; would you mind if I linked to your comments, or quoted you? I do want to stay involved in the program, so this is very disappointing. On the upside, the use of ambassadors is new and classes have been successful in the past without them, so perhaps this is not a disaster. It's not progress, though! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:50, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
  • We have a meeting on Wednesday evening to try to get some answers. Jami is the official liaison and I've shared all of this with her, but it just doesn't seem to get through. Initially, the Steering Committee was established to oversee the Ambassador Program online. In previous semesters, the SC has assisted classes and students in the effort to utilize WP in the classroom. This has included developing course pages and filtering classes, professors, and students to the proper resources and individuals to ensure their success. We worked on a consistent basis to ensure that all students and classes were paired with OAs. My research on behalf of the SC has shown that the understood role and responsibility of the committee is diametrically opposed to that of the understanding of the WMFO. Apparently, the SC evolved in a manner that is not supported by the WMF. A request to the WMF for clarification of the purpose and role of the Steering Committee has gone unanswered for three months. So, yes, LiAnna and Jami are the ones to go to. As a Steering Committee initially tasked with ensuring the development and maintenance of a quality education program, our hands are tied at this point. I am not comfortable moving forward or assisting with the program anymore, without knowing that my efforts are appreciated, rather than exploited. This next semester, it appears that we will have in excess of 2000 students. I would venture to say that with the expected number of active OAs, this would require taking on between 75 to 100 students per person. I suppose I'm a cynic, but in my opinion, the ratio is simply unfeasible. When I joined the Ambassador Program, I looked forward to working with professors and students, believing that there was a higher purpose in supporting the WMF. When I initially joined the Steering Committee, I was enthusiastic and excited, because I was told that the program was fully run by the volunteers. I believed that my professional background would be an asset in sustaining and improving the quality of the program overall. At this point, I'm just disillusioned along with the rest of the community. I cannot stretch myself thin like I have in the past anymore, when most of my time is spent cleaning up the mess resulting from inadequate support, poor planning, and widespread disorganization. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 03:47, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
    I'm a bit surprised by the student ratio concerns, because LiAnna's email on 1/11 said that it would be limited to 15, which seems reasonable. She posted a link to [1] which repeats that number. If you would let me know what you find out on Wednesday evening, I'd really appreciate it. And if I haven't said so before, thanks for serving on the SC; I appreciate having someone like you to go to with questions. Even if you're not happy with the current state of play, you're still doing a very useful function by giving other editors like me a point of contact. Thanks. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 04:09, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
  • The ratio of 1:15 simply means that every 15 students must have at least one OA. It doesn't limit OAs to working with only 15 students. LiAnna's "Participation Requirements" support the students, but puts a strain on the volunteers. It's supply and demand. LiAnna has increased the demand for OAs, while failing to increase the supply. In the end, every OA will simply be working with more students in order to meet the ratio. The requirements are unrealistic. It would work if we had only 350-400 students, but the outlook is approximately 2,000, with no structure in place to limit the number of classes or students. Thanks for your encouragement. It truly means more than you know. I'll keep you posted on anything new. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 05:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

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Tercer Cielo

I translate of spanish wikipedia to english wikipedia,plis help me with the article,thanks Carliitaeliza (talk) 04:09, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

  • It is recommended that you follow the guidance offered on your talk page here on en.wp and your talk page at es.wp pertaining to your block there. I am not able to help you with translations or editing of an article that does not exist. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 04:21, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Elizabeth Boott rewrite ...

Hi Cindamuse: I am a newer editor volunteering at the Brooklyn Museum. Yesterday I started an article about Lizzie Boott Duveneck that you rewrote. That's ok (tho frankly I felt some ownership). My question is this: how did you find it to rewrite so quickly? I had started it but had to go, and when I came to look at it again, you'd taken it to the finish line. How did it come to your attention so fast? Thanks for the help... How is it going in the Northwest? WilliamJustinM (talk) 13:35, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Hey there! Welcome to Wikipedia! When a new article is created, it is placed in a queue of new articles. These articles are then patrolled to ensure basic quality standards. I came upon your article and restructured it to comply with the Manual of Style for biographies, then added some content and references. Hope it helps. As far as the Northwest? The car is in a block of ice and I'm freezing!!! LOL Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 08:36, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Sanremo Music Festival 2012

Hi Cindy,

I noticed that Sanremo Music Festival 2012 has been nominated for speedy deletion. I find this quite bizarre, when it is connected to an annual music festival, which is also used to select the Eurovision entry for Italy. There are other articles for Sanremo covering previous years, which have never been nominated for deletion, so I find it strange that the 2102 edition is nominated. The article is also part of the WikiProject Eurovision. This speedy deletion needs to be halted and a review of consensus made before hand. Kindest regards for your time - Wesley Mouse (talk) 10:54, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Sincere forgiveness, it does now appear that articles for the previous contests have also been deleted or amalgamated into Sanremo Music Festival. Wesley Mouse (talk) 10:57, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
  • No problem. I flagged the Sanremo Music Festival 2012 due to the wholly promotional content. Feel free to contact me any time with questions, comments, or disagreements. You can also comment on the article's talk page. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 11:08, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I've added you to my watchlist, for future reference. I do find it strange though that there is an article for the main festival itself, but nothing covering the annual contests. After all, the Saanremo is what inspired the Eurovision Song Contest to begin. There's a main article as well as annual ones for Eurovision. Would it be worthwhile for me to look into doing something similar for each annual sanremo, following the same manual of style as is used for Eurovision. Only reason I ask is that the main Sanremo article is starting to get rather lengthy as it is covering a table of winners going back 60+ years. Wesley Mouse (talk) 11:14, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you again. I thought it may be worth noting that Sanremo Music Festival is the Italian version of selecting a song for Eurovision Song Contest. There's also Melodifestivalen which is a similar contest for Sweden, and they use that to select their entry for Eurovision. There's also annual contest articles for Melodifestivalen, such as Melodifestivalen 2012. If Sanremo 2012 article is failing G11 ruling, then wouldn't that mean that each respective annual Melodifestivalen and Eurovision articles would also be failing G11? It is starting to look like a a grey area rule in my opinion. Wesley Mouse (talk) 11:31, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
  • It all really depends on how the article is written. The state of one does not dictate the outcome of another. The article primarily exists to promote the upcoming festival. Nothing encyclopedic about it. "The Sanremo Music Festival 2012 will be..." does not present what the festival "is", but rather what it "plans to be". This is the essence of marketing and promotion. Keep in mind that anytime you disagree with a CSD tag, you should make your case known on the article's talk page. It could feasibly be brought for community discussion, but I'm not concerned at the moment. If another editor takes it to AFD, please make sure to present your concerns there. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 12:46, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
I may have to disagree on your outlook of the line "The Sanremo Music Festival 2012 will be..." meaning it is an advert. All of the Eurovision articles start off with a similar line. Even the 2012 article starts off with "The Eurovision Song Contest 2012 will be the 57th annual Eurovision Song Contest", however this doesn't make it advertising, it is only referring to a future event (which is within the scope of WP:N) and I can't see any other way to word it other than using the phrase "will be". If the use of "will be" is advertising, then a review of other articles such as the Olympics, which also use the phrase "will be" would be considered to be advertising. Wesley Mouse (talk) 12:59, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

News from Wednesday

Cindy, just checking in to see if there's any news from the Wednesday steering committee meeting that you mentioned. Of course I'm curious to know what happened. Also, did you happen to see this? I'm about to reply; it's a bit disappointing but I'll see if I can get that question added in some form.

And did you know that Moonriddengirl (talk · contribs) now has a permanent job with the WMF as community liaison? She's using her real name, Maggie Dennis, under account Mdennis (WMF) (talk · contribs), for the role. If we find there is a problem in working with the foundation, I think it would be good to involve Maggie. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:13, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

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help with wikipedia use in classroom

Dear Cindamuse, I am an instructor of Psychology and I am starting to use Wikipedia assignments for the first time this semester. I already created a course page and I have an account. However, I am relatively new to Wikipedia and I would definitely appreciate some guidance. Thanks for your time. S.mereu (talk) 22:23, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

  • No problem, please feel free to contact me if/when you have questions or need help navigating through Wikipedia's vast world of policies and guidelines. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 19:16, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
    • Thank you so much! I am in touch with more people now and I figures out a few things already. However, I am still in search for an Online Ambassador. The question is, do they assign an Ambassador to me or do I find one? In which case, would you be interested in being an Online Ambassador for my class? It is a Cognitive Psychology 300 level course, so if I remember correctly it should be in your range of expertise. Thanks! S.mereu (talk) 19:34, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
      • Hi Cindy, I added you as Online Ambassador for my Cognitive Psychology class. You might occasionally receive inquiries from my students, let me know if that is ok for you. Thanks!S.mereu (talk) 15:32, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
        • I'm not able to help directly this semester, due to conflicting involvement in the project. Essentially, my time will be focused on assessing needs once the semester starts and then working to fill in gaps. Please feel free to contact one of the Ambassadors on this page. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 09:27, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
          • Sure, thanks for getting back to me. I already contacted another ambassador and I'll hopefully find one soon. S.mereu (talk) 17:02, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

PoolWerx Page Deletion Query

Hi there, I am posting in regards to a page that has been deleted - PoolWerx. This particular page had previously been moderated by you and put up for deletion. After the deletion I did everything that you asked of me and republished the page. You reviewed it again and gave me a 'barnstar' praising the page for my quickly learnt ability. Since this time there has been no major changes made to the page. To my disgust when I got back from holidays over Christmas and New Years the page had been put up for deletion by administrator Eagles247 and deleted on the 29/12/2011. If you could please inform me as to what changed since I received the 'barnstar' for the post to get it deleted that would be great. Kind Regards, Shannon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shannonob90 (talk • contribs) 06:16, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Hi Shannon! Sorry to hear that the PoolWerx article was deleted. It is generally recommended that articles are first drafted in a subpage of your userspace, which minimizes the possibility of deletion. I came across the article initially while patrolling new pages. Rather than moderating the article, the patrol is a primary function of the community in which experienced editors are encouraged to participate. While I didn't submit your article for speedy deletion, another editor went that route, based on promotional tone and content. I offered assistance, to which it was clear that you were able to quickly grasp various guidelines and implement them in the article accordingly. The barnstar that I offered was presented to encourage you. I recognized your sincere effort to improve the articles and wanted to let you know that you were headed in the right direction. Unfortunately, there was more work that needed to be done in the article in order secure its existence in the encyclopedia, but apparently, we were sidetracked over the holidays and the article was submitted for deletion by User:Eagles247 and deleted by User:Reaper Eternal. This was again, due to "unambiguous advertising or promotion". Essentially, the article presented biased content and primarily served to promote awareness of the organization. At this point, I would recommend contacting User:Reaper Eternal and asking him to "userfy" the article, which simply means that he would place a copy of the deleted article in a subpage of your userspace. You would then be able to continue working on the article without the threat of speedy deletion due to a promotional nature. When you feel that the article is ready for publishing to the mainspace, you could ask User:Reaper Eternal or User:Eagles247 for feedback or submit it to the Articles for Creation team to ensure compliance. I would also be open to taking another look at it. If you have additional questions, please feel free to contact me anytime. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 08:56, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Kim Man Lui Page

I am writing to ask for having another review of the page of "Kim Man Lui", who is my teacher. Many liable resources are unfortunately in Chinese as he has written many technical books in China. However, those ISBNs can definitely been checked and some international well-known websites such as Wiley should be considered reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nofriends9999 (talk • contribs) 05:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC) I spent time to fix the page. But the user MikeWazowski removed lots of the reference. He could say "references in Chinese" not count, but he should not remove them and ruin the page. --Nofriends9999 (talk) 05:55, 25 January 2012 (UTC)I wrote to MikeWazowski and he of course can give comment etc. But, he substantially took out the stuff I spent lots of time to find. The page is mess and I have been discourage to fix it. I just do not agree on his approach. --Nofriends9999 (talk) 06:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC) I just got the comment saying I have been admitted my own COI in the subject. Kim Man Lui as mentioned is an academic staff and he has thousands of students. I am one of them. Can I write for him? If not, this is okay. I am not arguing and I would like to make it clear from wiki Ambassador to confirm. In this case, I am not going to write or edit it. FYI http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MikeWazowski&action=edit&section=33 --Nofriends9999 (talk) 06:35, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Hey there! I'm sorry that your experience so far has been a bit frustrating. I'll take a look at the article and provide a third opinion. The conflict of interest generally applies when an individual editor has an affiliated connection with the subject, attempts to advance or maintain the image of the subject, and through editing practices, indicates that this interest is more important to an editor than advancing the aims of Wikipedia. You can find more information here. Look for my comments on the talk page of the article. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 22:15, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for your reply. I cannot find your comments on talk page. Note that I am not going to argue with COI. I would like to bring you in to have a look as lots of references are removed without explanation. I trust the decision of the ambassador even thought the decision is the same as MikeWazowski. At least, I feel you are a polite person. I wrote to MikeWazowski and I admitted that I was ex-student of Kim Man Lui but he jumped to a conclusion that I've admitted my own COI in the subject. The logic is incorrect. Again, I am not going to argue with MikeWazowski or to edit that page. I also ask friends of mine to stop editing that page. I will let you have a look and respect your decision. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nofriends9999 (talk • contribs) 02:58, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Thank you for your comment. Thanks. --Nofriends9999 (talk) 15:20, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

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Open door policy (business)

Hi - I've declined your speedy on this one as we seem to have had the text at least four months before the other place. It's in place here in May 2011, and earlier versions are substantially similar. The site you found has the post dated September 2011. Looks like they're quoting without acknowledging (shock, horror!! do people do such things??). Sorry... Peridon (talk) 15:47, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Oh my shock! Now, don't be apologizing. ;) Good catch. I just can't believe they used our content! Major horrors. I think I'll see if I can expand the article. Keeping my fingers crossed. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 15:52, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

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BrainMatriX, Inc. is an educational software company started by a psychiatrist. This New York City based company has worked with Amazon.com, the Practising Law Institute, Palm Computing and others over the years.

The company makes a note taking program (NoteScribe) and a flashcard program (eReviewBook). These are the facts about BrainMatriX. Please let me know what else I can do to improve the listing. I would appreciate having the page put back up so I can put in the above content. Best regards, --Jacquesjj (talk) 13:14, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Unfortunately, these sources are not considered reliable or independent and may not be used to establish notability. You can out more about how to identify reliable sources here. The encyclopedia really frowns on individuals creating articles about themselves, their company, or their affiliates. In essence, people who are very close to a subject often have a subjective view of it, which may cause them to inadvertently edit in ways that make the article either too flattering or too disparaging. If your company is truly notable, someone else will probably create an article about it sooner or later. If you truly believe that you are able to write a neutral encyclopedic article that meets the criteria for notability through significant coverage in reliable and independent sources, I recommend creating a draft in a subpage of your userspace. For example: User:Jacquesjj/BrainMatriX. You can then submit the article to the Articles for Creation team. I don't recommend that you create the same article in the mainspace without receiving feedback that clearly recognizes notability for the company. When editors create inappropriate articles about themselves or entities with which they are affiliated, it often results in a block of their Wikipedia account. And nobody wants that. If you have additional questions or need assistance, please feel free to contact me. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 15:56, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

  • Thank you for the welcome message. Regards. Mimar77 (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

for your comments about Dar_Al_Hadaek. I've put it where you suggested for his draft, and removed the three killer sections. I've suggested he asks you for comments - the outfit is probably notable but some tidy-up is needed. Also, thanks for expanding that other one (whatever it was - can't remember). I notice you live 'near Seattle' - I've got a distant cousin (relatively and geographically) near Seattle. Nearer Everett, really. Peridon (talk) 17:10, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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I have a problem

and I have come up with a non-standard way of dealing with it. I am going to pitch my solution to half a dozen long term editors whom I respect and get some feedback. I am picking you of my watchlist, not why some of you are there. I am confused, sober and looking for answers and honesty. It all starts with the Ignore all rules postulate.

Over the years I have amassed a lot of documentary materials. My great-grandfather lived in China, my grandfather was born there. Both took pictures. My grandfather took pictures as a doctor in both WWI and WWII. I have become the family archivist and I call the collection the Carpchives. In an earlier wikipedia incarnation this collection was referred to as the eekives. It was involved in a quite heated discussion here [2] - Disputed Image section and eventually the picture was removed. By me, as I recall. The picture in question was of my father-in-law in the US Merchant Marines during WWII. Another picture taken during the Boxer rebellion has since been removed. It was a bit funky, for sure.

There are a number of signatures that I've added to articles, some from my family archives, some I've had signed, other turn up in used books. Some of this stuff that is already in wikipedia is here:

I'm pretty sure there is more.

I also have a great collection of Corrado Parducci stuff, his "Job Book" written by him, copies of hundreds of photographs of his works in the plaster stage in his studio, a copy of his scrap book and more. I once had a project going to try and identify 75 sculptors in a photograph that was published in LIFE Magazine in 1949, located several of the artists still alive and corresponded with many children and grandchildren. Unfortunately much of that was lost in one of several dramatic computer and other failures in my life, but much remains. Then there is what I call the "my father (or grandfather) was a famous sculptor and..." syndrome. Through that I've collected a great CD filled with Rene Paul Chambellan's scrap books, as well as letter, papers, photographs and all sorts of that sort of things from a variety of other folks.

I always share. Well, almost always. So, I'd like to set up, on wikipedia, a Charpchives article or perhaps, a subpage of my user page or something, where these things could be referenced to and anyone who wanted to check up on something could contact me there.

Or is this all just some mutation of perversion of original research? Or even hubris? The thing about this material is that little of it in mine, although some of that does appear too. this is not my blog. Or should I just put it all on my blog and forget using it on wikipedia?

I would like to chime in, because I saw this interesting question here on this talk page. I am sure that Cindamuse may have more to say. Anything that was published pre-1923, such as the Boxer Rebellion stuff, is in the public domain, so could be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons as freely licensed material. More recent items may qualify for fair use - examples would be the only known photo of a notable deceased person, or a historically significant image. Those could be uploaded for use in a single article to Wikipedia itself under a fair-use rationale, as opposed to Commons. Each item would have to be analyzed on a case-by-case basis. The other stuff could, perhaps, be uploaded to another wiki, perhaps Wikia, if it was clear that it was being made available for educational purposes as opposed to commercial purposes. But not on a Wikimedia project. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:53, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


World Government (Mormonism)

Hi Cindy, Yes I do have some questions, thanks for your offer to help!! I am new to Wikipedia, and am just trying to get up to speed with the article creation process. First off, I was wondering, is the the correct way to communicate with you? Secondly, can just anyone off the street recommend that a new article be deleted? I just posted the basis of the World Government (Mormonism) article a few hours ago, and someone has complained against the work, requesting that it be deleted! That's all I have for now, thanks for any suggestions you might have for me (:>) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mormonfaith101 (talk • contribs) 04:16, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Welcome to Wikipedia! I noticed some difficulty with some of the articles you are trying to add to the encyclopedia. I cleaned up the Jeremy Adams article, so it may have a chance to survive the community consensus. Getting started creating new articles on Wikipedia can be a bit frustrating and tricky at time. I would recommend that you try creating a draft version first, which you can then ask for feedback on if necessary, with less risk of speedy deletion or the article being nominated for deletion. Some helpful material to read would include Your First Article and the Tutorial. As far as communicating with others, editors generally respond on the page where conversation is initiated. As far as nominating articles for deletion discussion or speedy deletion, yes, anyone can do that, but generally only more seasoned editors are familiar with the process and deletion policy. If you want to create draft articles, I would be happy to provide feedback and answer any questions. Please don't hesitate to contact me anytime. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 04:44, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

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Mormonfaith101

Thanks for the feedback, I will try to incorporate the changes you have recommended.... Is this the best way to communicate with you? Have a great day!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mormonfaith101 (talk • contribs) 22:58, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Re: Chinese language article

So sorry about not replying. It was definitely common practice when I was most active in page deletion (2005-2009) to delete non-English articles like that. I understand that this has changed; however, since you have some familiarity with Chinese, can you check the article Hu Zhiying, and compare with the deleted article? I think this editor did in fact create the English article at the same time, and then just made a Chinese version; I could be wrong though. If that's not what happened, and it's a different person, I'll restore and talk with the editor, but he hasn't been back in the last week. Academic Challenger (talk) 21:53, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Hey there! I figured that was the case. I would also recommend reviewing the A7 criteria for speedy deletion, since you have deleted articles under that criteria, stating that the article was deleted due to lack of notability. The A7 criteria comes into play when the article fails to assert importance and/or significance. This is a lower threshold than notability. As far as the Hu Zhiying article, it is the same as the Chinese version. I would just recommend restoring the Chinese version, in order to indicate rationale for deletion, then deleting under the A10 criteria for speedy deletion. Thanks for getting back to me! Here's hoping you'll stay around longer. On another note, we're currently recruiting Online Ambassadors to support the US Education Program. If interested, please feel free to contact me. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 16:27, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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declined speedy

Earlier you declined my speedy of Bilquis Sheikh on the grounds that she had notability as a book was published about her. The book in question is an autobiography, so I do not think that counts as an RS. In any case, I will nominate through other processes. Gaijin42 (talk) 22:22, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Keep in mind that the A7 criteria for speedy deletion only comes into play when the article fails to indicate importance and/or significance. This is a lower threshold for inclusion than notability. Accordingly the criteria was invalid. Additionally, while the book is an autobiography, it is not self-published. While the book is not independent, it is certainly a reliable source. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 22:33, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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Bilquis Sheikh

I have to say that this was really impressive. It is now an interesting piece of reading. Thank you, Cindy :) --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 09:38, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Vejvančický, thank you so much for contacting me. I enjoyed working on this article. I had honestly never heard of the subject before, but came away a bit enlightened. Your appreciation and kind words makes it all worthwhile. Thanks again! Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 05:54, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Seeking Cindamuse to extend gratitude and an invitation

Hi! Just reviewing the page created for Dr. Douglas Owsley, one of our esteemed scientists here at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History. Dr. Owsley was extremely impressed by the level of detail included about his Forensic Anthropology work, and was extremely grateful. He wanted to reach out to Cindamuse, contributor and editor, to extend the invitation to come and visit his lab at the museum if she ever finds herself in Washington, DC. He'd be delighted to explain his work in more detail to show his appreciation. If you would like to plan a trip to the museum, please contact the Office of Public Affairs and we will set up a visit with Dr. Owsley. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellycarnes (talk • contribs) 15:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Kelly, I'm honored by the appreciation and kind words. The article is now "live" at Douglas W. Owsley. Hope you have an awesome weekend! Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 07:26, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

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All fixed with OTRS tickets - you might try adding {{OTRS pending}} in future ;-)  Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:25, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Again, thanks Ron. You ROCK! Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 07:20, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Bilquis Sheikh

Thank you for your contribution for expanding article, and removing deletion tag. marshmir (talk) 07:16, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

  • I am honored. Thank so much for added it to the encyclopedia. I had never heard of this person before, but came away with humility and graciousness for the life and legacy that she has left. If you ever need help with any other articles, please feel free to contact me. Seriously, happy to help. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 07:23, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

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