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RFA Thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA, Rudget!

My RfA passed by a count of 64/3/3, so I am now an administrator! I thank you for your input and thoughts. I value them greatly, but I hope I can do a decent enough job in spite of your concerns. However, since I plan to conduct my adminship in service of the community, I believe the community has a right to revoke that privilege at any time. Thus, if you see me do anything terribly wrong, I will be open for recall under reasonable circumstances. If you have any advice, complaints, or concerns for me, please let me know. Thanks again. Okiefromokla questions? 21:08, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

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RfA Thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA, wich was successful with 73 support, 6 oppose, and 5 neutral. I'll try to be as clear as I can in my communication and to clear some of the admin backlog on images. If there is anything I can help you with, don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page! Cheers, --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 14:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much, your Dutch is quite understandable! --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 15:06, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank you for giving your thoughts in my RFA. I will do my absolute best to deal with any situation that I can, and I will ask for advice if I am not sure of something. I have read your various comments, and I will take your concerns to heart. If you see me do something that you do not agree with, feel free to undo it; I will not consider it wheel-warring.

Thanks again, J.delanoy^gabs_adds 20:58, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD of Wimbeldon Estate

Just wanted to drop by separately and say thanks for the constructive, albeit brief, nature of the debate on this page. Fritzpoll (talk) 14:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem. As I've said before discussion = progression. Rudget 14:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

RfB Thank You spam

Thank you for participating in my RfB! I am very grateful for the confidence of the community shown at my RfB, which passed by a count of 154/7/2 (95.65%). I have read every word of the RfB and taken it all to heart. I truly appreciate everyone's input: supports, opposes, neutrals, and comments. Of course, I plan to conduct my cratship in service of the community. If you have any advice, questions, concerns, or need help, please let me know. Again, Thanks! — Rlevse • Talk • 08:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Nev1 RfA

My apologies. I had a feeling I had to wait but wasn't sure, so I rushed in anyway. I'll add it once Nev accepts. Thanks Craigy (talk) 17:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

CHu

Yes, I saw your edit on my watchlist and was testing it out when you pinged. Can your remove the "Endeavor to..." part. A lot of non native English speakers might get confused with the jargon. =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Y Done. Rudget 19:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

The link has disappeared. =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah ok. See it now. Sorry for the late reply. Was hit by a tremor. =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Check mail. — Rlevse • Talk • 09:54, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Replied. Rudget 09:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

2nd one sent. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Replied. Rudget 10:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm also thinking of making a nice graphical check list. Something in your face that the user cannot miss out. I'll give it a shot later today. =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

See this: Image:WP CHU checklist.svg. Let me know if I have missed anything. =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:38, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Your "abstain"

I hope you felt in no way badgered by me. I was simply trying to discuss and hash out the reasoning behind your oppose comment. Best regards, S. Dean Jameson 17:54, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Spud IP block

Hello... thanks for your feedback on the IP's talk page. FYI, the 55 hour block was for the 3RR issue, but also takes into account identical behaviour prior to that at Spud. Cheers. --Ckatz^chat_spy 19:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Answer

answer --Mariánko (talk) 20:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Have...

.... a great holiday! Pedro :  Chat  11:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Rudget 12:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject report

I'm not sure whether I'll keep the Monday or Saturday date, but I'll handle any moves, if necessary. Barring something odd, we'll be publishing within the hour. Ral315 (talk) 20:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Hudson valley

That's fine; I get back from vacation that day, so don't feel rushed. The biggest thing I need help with is finding good selections. Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 01:41, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Starting the RfA

Ok, we're ready to go live. Would you like to do the honours of transcluding it? Nev1 (talk) 19:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'll do it now. :) Good luck! Rudget 19:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again and have a good holiday! Nev1 (talk) 19:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. (Although a little early) it looks good! Rudget 19:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

thankspam

Thanks to everyone who participated in my RfA, regardless of their !vote. I have withdrawn the nomination as a failure at 19 supports, 45 opposes, and 9 neutral statements. As has been written and sung, you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you get what you need — and what I need is to go back to working on our shared project. Not everyone has to be an admin; there is a role for each of us. After reflection, I feel I don't have the temperament to secure community consensus as an admin at any point, and I will not be applying again in the future — and hey, that's all right, 'cause I stay true to the philosophy that adminship is no big deal: I tried, I failed, and now I'll return to doing what I've always done. I have an extremely strong belief in the consensus process, and the consensus was clear. I will be devoting my energies to volunteering at MedCab and working up a complete series of articles on the short stories of Ernest Hemingway, among lord knows what else. Thanks again to everyone who spared the time to weigh in on this one. It was made in better faith than it probably seemed. Mr. IP 《Defender of Open Editing》 14:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Though I will not be back up for RfA, I will try to work on my attitude. Thanks for participating! Mr. IP 《Defender of Open Editing》 14:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:CHICAGO

Do you want me to answer the same questions or a different set?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:38, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

You should be aware that our project is much less mature than MILHIST so our responses will be very different if you pose the same questions.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I have sketched some answers. Do you have any feedback?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:08, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I would say it is misleading to say we are attempting to bring Chicago to featured in the intro. We are continuously improving the article, but it is not likely that the article will even be promoted to B-Class anytime soon. Its traffic patterns make it fall outside of my expertise. I do not generally edit high traffic articles with a mind toward promotion. The reason it lost its A-Class and GA-Class rating was that too many random editors added and changed things against policy. Significant uncited material keeps appearing and who knows about image licensing. I would say we are currently working on the Chicago Featured Topic Drive, WP:CHIFTD. I am continuing to edit the article. When does it go to press?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:02, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I am also a little concerned about the relative comparisons to other WPs based on members. Where does this number come from? I never have felt like there were more than a dozen or two members. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:10, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Every project has inflation of that sort. When Milhist counts their GAs I am quite sure they count all the ones I did for my own reasons (Willie Gillis, Lafayette Square, Buffalo, Bob Chappuis, Elmer Gedeon, Bump Elliott, & Four Freedoms (Norman Rockwell)). Clearly our bot tags articles with our project and helps us claim many things we did not do. Look at my production. The only project I am an active member of is Chicago. Many projects benefit from my work however. I do not believe it serves any purpose to apportion production to projects by membership. What purpose do you feel it would serve?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:17, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I just put out a survey for people to announce whether they are active in the project. I will tally things on the 10th.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:17, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Addendum I also think it would be misleading to say that because the nominator was not a member of WP:CHICAGO it does not count. E.g. List of Chicago Bulls head coaches just got promoted to FL on the 2nd. User:Chrishomingtang who nominated the article is not a member of the project, but User:Zagalejo and I were both active in its discussion and Zagalejo made many edits during its candidacy. It is a result of our project in that sense.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:40, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed that you deleted one question for a copyedit summary reason that I do not understand. I was going to augment my answer with a second difference. I think our project is different from most other projects in that we vote on our Category:Top-importance Chicago articles, which we keep at 0.2% of the articles in the project. I think I just chose the first 15 or so myself and then we started voting. The first significant turnout occurred for the selection of the 21st through 25th articles. We also had a good turnout where we chose 26 through 38. Notice the future 32nd through 38th Top-importance articles have been determined by consensus within the group to be Magnificent Mile, Haymarket Riot, Daniel Burnham, Chicago River, Lake Shore Drive, Museum of Science and Industry (Chicago), and Chicago Tribune as the project grows.— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 02:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

The project just benefited from the work of User:MisfitToys who is the lead editor of Billy Pierce. He is not officially a member of the project although he proofreads a bunch of our articles and has done other GAs that the project claims. I guess it would be fair to add a clarifying statement at the end of the paragraph that says "Some of the articles have been produced by editors who are not official members of the project, but project members have heavily contributed in the discussions leading to their promotions or in the editorial work for many of the articles."--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks!

Thank you... ...for participating in my RfA, which closed with 119 in support, 4 neutral and 5 opposes. I'm honestly overwhelmed at the level of support that I've received from the community, and will do my best to maintain the trust placed in me. I 'm also thankful to those who opposed or expressed a neutral position, for providing clear rationales and superb feedback for me to build on. I've set up a space for you to provide any further feedback or thoughts, should you feel inclined to. However you voted, thanks for taking the time out to contribute to the process, it's much appreciated. Kind regards, Gazimoff 22:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Something to cheer you when you return

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		I =Nichalp «Talk»= award thee this barnstar for all your efforts on WP:CHU =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Archaeology

Can you help me out ? Bewareofdog 04:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject report

...I really should have taken a little more care before jumping into the position. Unfortunately, I have two other reports nearly ready to go by now - would you mind sharing it? Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 13:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

You may do whatever you wish, you've already done a good job with this week's report I see. Thank you for taking care of it, you may carry on with the weekly report if you see fit. Regards, Rudget 18:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Rudget, there's still a link to that Chicago report on the 11th (it's a live link now), and it still has a lot of inaccuracies. How is that being handled? If it's not going to be run, can the page be moved elsewhere? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:33, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to move it to an appropriate date/subpage. Rudget 19:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Signpost redirects

I was following the "next week's report" link in the Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-07-28 issue, and a move you did created a (redirect) link from the bottom right-hand corner of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-07-28/WikiProject report to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-08-11/WikiProject report (not yet puiblished?), via the redirect Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-08-04/WikiProject report. This arises from the "next week's report" bit in the "{{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Templates/Footer|{{BASEPAGENAME}}|2008-07-21|2008-08-04|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}" bit. Not sure if that is a feature or a bug. Some people might want to be taken to the next in the series (even if it is two issues later), while others might want a more descriptive link than "(Next WikiProject report→)" (eg. "(Next WikiProject report (two issues later)→)". To complicate matters even further, it seems the "2008-08-04" issue is now Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-08-09. I'll create the redirects for the other pages (eg. here) and drop Ral a note as well, in case he wants to do things differently. Carcharoth (talk) 16:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I must apologise for the confusion in the redirects there. Feel free to contact Ral if you wish, any further wikiproject reports will be being conducted by Shoemaker's Holiday (talk · contribs). I had recently started the report again (beginning of July, I think) but I figured I can't be bothered with it anymore. I hope that's okay. Rudget 18:40, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Best wishes

I'm so sorry to see you go, Rudget :( - Alison ^❤ 20:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I am too, although I respect your decision. Anthøny 20:48, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Me too Rudget, please return when you feel ready. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:51, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to see you go Rudget. You have been a great asset to have on Wikipedia; it's always sad to see someone like you go. I hope you see these messages in the future, and possibly consider a return in the near future. Best wishes, D.M.N. (talk) 21:10, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

If you decide to come back, you will be welcomed. Best wishes, Malinaccier (talk) 01:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Wait, what???? Damn French template boxes. I have no idea what that says...Keeper ǀ 76 01:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I can't read it either, but hovering the mouse over the icon in the box gives you an idea of what it says. Useight (talk) 01:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Well that's just bollocks. Rudget, you've decided that you are untrusted because of a "decision" in the making at OTRS? Bollocks. Keeper ǀ 76 02:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't let one incident, one opinion, bring you down; you have many people on this talk page who will not hesitate to say that you are fine user. —Animum (talk) 02:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry to see you go. Please reconsider returning. WP will miss you. Wishes, =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that, I do hope you'll reconsider and it's only au revoir until le retour. Bon chance, mon brave. Kbthompson (talk) 11:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

I'm letting you know that my RfA passed just an hour or so ago, due in no small part to your nominating statement. Thanks once again. On the subject of your 'departure'... I wish my French wasn't quite so awful. It's always sad to lose an editor and I hope that it's not permanent. Remember that the community showed faith in you after the incident Cometstyles refers to, and you have proven yourself to be a trusted and exemplary editor. I don't share Cometstyles' opinion and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Thanks again and good luck. Nev1 (talk) 21:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou

Just a little note to say thankyou for participating in my successful RFA candidacy, which passed with 96 supports, 0 opposes, and 1 neutral. I am pleasantly taken aback by the amount of support for me to contribute in an administrative role and look forward to demonstrating that such faith is well placed. Regards, WilliamH (talk) 11:37, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Nice to meet you

Nice to meet you, Caulde :-) Keeper ǀ 76 16:13, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah, the (un)refreshing sense of being a returning dramatist. Nice to meet you too though, Keeper. Caulde 16:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Friends of Keeper are also my friends. Cheers Caulde. ^{By the way, still a sysop, or did you drop that too?} · AndonicO ^Engage. 19:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Dropped that too. I might need it again sometime, only when I need it though. :) I'm sorry for all this drama, I never thought I'd be one to do it. Caulde 19:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

No worries; if you ever need them... just ask Bibliomaniac15. ;) As to not having time, I solved that problem in a different way: the big, ugly, blue semi retirement template. :P · AndonicO ^Engage. 19:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Support, clueful editor, dedicated editor. No hesitations with resysopping if this user wishes resysopmentalizationisms. Keeper ǀ 76 19:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I would have been a useless administrator this year, by any means. I have such a busy year ahead, I'm just glad I've got two of my GCSEs out of the way. Caulde 19:30, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Ick, I hate school. So glad I'm too old for it. I'm also very glad you didn't disappear completely. Wikipedia is supposed to be fun. A hobby, with no paycheck. If it ever goes beyond that for you, then you should hit this link and fix an article. That's what it's all about anyway, don't worry about the rest of the shit (excuse my language). I've been doing that a lot more myself lately. This isn't supposed to be stressful. My life is stressful enough, this is my outlet. It should be yours too, when you are fed up with school/life/etc, drop a few simple edits into a few articles, nothing more, nothing less. Again, glad you've stuck around, you are valued here :-) Keeper ǀ 76 19:34, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Speaking as a Northerner, ta. Caulde 19:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Heh. I'm a Northerner too. Do you get as little respect as I do amongst statesmen? Nobody in the US takes the "northerners" seriously except the "northerners." Keeper ǀ 76 19:38, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Nice to see you back Rudget. I don't approve of these dramatic retirements, nor do I approve of the system whereby administrators are allowed to simply ask for their position back after having given it up rather dramatically. Still, Keeper's right, wikipedia needs to be fun, else it's just an unpaid job. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC) PS: I'll save you from my analysis of Essjay's illogical and inconsistent ramblings. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:24, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

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Welcome back

Yep, another guy welcoming you back to the dramatic hellhole that is Wikipedia ;) Good luck in future endeavours, and I hope you do well in your exams, as well. Yours, weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 21:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back. When you "became Caulde," I hoped you were coming back, and I'm glad that you are. Happy editing! Malinaccier (talk) 22:38, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

• Welcome back to activity, R. Anthøny ✉ 17:48, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Another "welcome back" message I guess. Good to see you around again. :-) D.M.N. (talk) 17:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Email

Have you changed your email here? bibliomaniac15 22:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's now cauldegooglemail.com. Caulde 17:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

o hai

rollback granted, by the way, you need to update your nav bar. =) –xeno (talk) 17:13, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

FYI, you have mail ;) Tiptoety ^talk 18:02, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Replied. Caulde 18:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

 Done Tiptoety ^talk 18:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Welcome "back"

Hello Caulde. Good to see you editing. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Project reports

I apologise, I came down severely ill for a couple weeks. I'm hoping to restart this week. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 21:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for your participation at my RfA, which passed with a count of (166/43/7). I appreciate your comments and in my actions as an administrator I will endeavor to act in ways that earn your full confidence, even though I don't have it now. Cirt (talk) 01:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiCup

weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 19:14, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi Caulde. I would like to thank you for your support in my RfA and the confidence expressed thereby. It is very much appreciated. :) The RfA was closed as successful with 73 supports, 3 opposes and 4 neutral. I would especially like to thank WBOSITG for nominating me. Best wishes and thanks again, —αἰτίας •discussion• 23:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I know you'll be good! Caulde 12:25, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

re. RFB closed

Hello Caulde (heh, I will take some time to get used to your new user name). Thank you for your message and words on my talk page. :-) Although I much appreciate your capability of, in your mind, seeing me as a bureaucrat in the future, I don't think I'd ever attempt an RfB in the future. We're all volunteers on Wikipedia, and since we're not getting paid then we must be here because we like Wikipedia. I, for one, am here to enjoy this experience, not the opposite. And an RfB is the opposite. I understand your reasons for relinquishing the tools, although I hope you ask them back sometime. The Kosovo wars seem to have ended, you wouldn't have to put up with me. Too much. ;-) Best regards, Húsönd 04:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

It's okay. Thanks for the reply. :) Caulde 08:40, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

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Surprise!

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		I award Caulde the WMB for all the grunt work that he does on WP:CHU. Much appreciated by us 'crats. =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Nichalp. Much appreciated! Caulde 14:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:FPOC

Please see Wikipedia_talk:Featured_portal_candidates#Stale_featured_portal_candidates. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 01:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Vietnamese history

You have one more. Caulde 15:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I've prepared it for you on pieces of paper and will email the photos to you. Hopefully my writing is readable. Outline from 938 AD until now. My USB has fallen off my cord and hopefully my USB is at home and not on this morning's bus. But the originals are still in the camera, although some stuff on my USB is not on my home hard drive. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 02:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, we're in luck, the USB fell off the cord when I pulled the cord out of my bag. I just stood up to phone home to see if it was there and the USB fell at my feet. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 02:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Preparing. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 02:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

And sent. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 02:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

May I ask you what type of course you are doing and what you need? Is this a half-year or full-year course? YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 02:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

User:YellowMonkey/Viet_library are some of the books I use. Karnow is the best for a brief overview of history before 1930 - about the first 100 pages. Jacobs is the best for a sketch of Diem. Hammer's "Death in November" and Jones are best for the {{Buddhist crisis}} of 1963 that resulted in Diem being toppled. Hammer's "Struggle for Indochina" is the best for the First Indochina War, which I don't know much about. Prochnau is about US journalists getting beaten up by the secret police of Diem's brother Ngo Dinh Nhu. McLeod is the best for the pre-French era. Has about 10 page overview of Trinh Lords and Nguyen Lords and 30 more about the establishment of the Nguyen Dynasty. Very detailed about early French-VN contact. Marr's book is the authoritative one for 1885-1920. It is 70% about the activities of Phan Boi Chau and his supporters, but the first 70 pages give good introduction to the start of French colonisation about 1860-1890. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 02:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Fall and Scigliano give in-depth info on domestic policies on N and S VN in 1950-1963 - rigged elections, police states, nepotism, corruption, those sorts of things. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 02:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Of course, I think my articles are reliable and not propaganda --> User:YellowMonkey/Contributions and {{Vietnamese independence movement}} and {{Buddhist crisis}} are mostly reliable - I wrote most of them. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 02:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully you start putting your knowledge into VN history articles and maybe your professor as well :). It's a bit thin over at WP:VIET - only two regular writers basically... YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 02:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)