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Showing off my night-school law degree

NB d nt hv "nght-schl lw dgr" r ny thr knd f lw dgr, nd dn't knw why Calton shld thnk hv.David | Talk Fys | Talk 15:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Please see Help:Talk page where it is made clear that it is acceptable to redirect one talk page to another where they are both the same account. This is a static IP address and it's not changing. If it ever does change, I'll remove the redirect but until then, I want to keep all communications on my user talk page. I am allowed to do this. Please stop changing the redirect. — Preceding comment signed as by Dbiv (talk • contribs Fys) actually added by 80.177.212.6 (talk • contribs)

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Um... did you WANT to be?

I'm lazy and I didn't look in archives and stuff, but did you want to be an admin? when someone as old time as The Land says "I thought he was one" that's a pretty good giveaway to me. Happy to nom or conom if you're interested. You can reply here. ++Lar: t/c 14:52, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Consensus

Could you define that please? Majority? Supermajority? And of what? People Powered 23:06, 2 September 2006 (UTC) ok, thanks.People Powered 23:44, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

That page doesn't particularly help much, it's rather vague on what "consensus" actually is. After reading that, I assume that this concept is similiar to Potter Stewart's definition of pornography. People Powered 04:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

What's going on?

I simply changed the factoid (which had been there for months) in the Sheehan article from Vacaville to Berkeley. True, perhaps it does not belong in the first paragraph, but there was no need to delete it. Couldn't you have moved it instead of deleting it? I think her moving from the moderate bedroom community of Vacaville to Berkeley (of all places) warrants a mention in this article, as it seems to fit her pattern of leftist activity - Neanderthalprimadonna 14:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh and BTW, if she has officially changed her residence to Crawford, Texas that warrants a mention too. IMHO.- Neanderthalprimadonna

Talk: Marvin Heemeyer

You have single handedly ruined the article with unbelievable slander and misrepresentation, please leave the new article that will come up soon alone! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.229.207.49 (talk • contribs) 19:57, September 5, 2006

Prsnl ttcks

Kndl fmlrz rslf wth WP:PA. dt smmrs sch s ths n r nccptbl, nd ndrmn th dtng nvrnmnt. hv bn wrnd. Dr U 02:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC) (bogosity disemvowelled 00:18, 7 September 2006 (UTC))

Not entirely civil, perhaps, and not productive, but doesn't really qualify as a personal attack. "Dr. Relativism" might qualify as a personal attack if used repeatedly or as part of a pattern of less-than-civil edits regarding that particular user, but as it is it's just something to raise your eyebrow at. However, it does reflect a disturbing trend. Captainktainer * Talk 02:37, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Striver

The candidate did not add the RFA to the main page, nor is there any indication that the candidate asked the nominator to do so. RFA's should not be added to the main page by a !voter. Therefore, it does not appear to have been formally accepted. Petros471 12:24, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

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f y rmv srcs frm rtcls t mks t dffclt fr thr dtrs t chck th mttrs rfrrd t. Pls dn't d ths n rdr t mk pnt bt rbtrrn Cmmtt dcsns hvng t b kpt t vn f y dn't lk thm. - David | Talk Fys | Talk 15:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Fr sm rsn y'v rmvd ll vwls frm ths mssg. N dbt y hv sm rsn fr dng s bt 'm frd t's gt m ttlly cnfsd rght nw. David | Talk Fys | Talk 15:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Your memory appears to be faulty

This edit is where the insulting header was added by you. David | Talk Fys | Talk 15:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

"RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH!"

Regarding edits such as this: Editing another user's signed statements is HIGHLY innapropriate, as is most of your communications with this user. Stop now, or you will be blocked for disruption. --InShaneee 15:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

No, you won't. Consider this your last warning. --InShaneee 15:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes. You're trying to cleverly insult him. Don't do it again. --InShaneee 15:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not going to warn you again. The next time you display such incivility, regardless of what any other user may or may not being doing, you're going to get a time out. --InShaneee 16:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Alright. Believe what you wish. But the next time you edit another user's signed comments, you will be blocked without further warning or discussion. Period. --InShaneee 16:16, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Jack is back

Hi, Calton, did you see these recent edits by the pltn13.pacbell.net anon (Jack Sarfatti)? They include a vandalization (with a legal threat) of User:Calton/Watchlist.

• 68.121.151.244 (talk · contribs)
  1. 08:53, 25 August 2006 edit in Talk:Jimmy Wales: "Message from an Attorney on Living People Bios Abuse: "I think that Wikipedia is going to bite the big one anyway. They're fast ...always on the edge of libeling someone ... I believe there are lawyers out there with very sharp knives looking them like a tempting Thanksgiving turkey. We just have to find the right cause of action so as to create a class of plaintiffs." The blustering tone and unattributed quotation is typical of sarfattispam.
  2. 08:50, 25 August 2006 vandalizes a talk archive page of User:Lethe, a user whom Sarfatti has previously threatened/harrassed in various ways.
  3. 08:45, 25 August 2006 vio of WP:NLT (see the last line).
  4. 20:35, 24 August 2006 vio of WP:HAR (posted email address of someone he is evidently mailbombing, and has previous harrassed.)

I removed Shermer's email address and left messages in Talk:Michael Shermer and Talk:Jimmy Wales pointing out that this anon represents a permabanned and still misbehaving individual; User:The Anome has already reverted the vandalization of User:Calton/Watchlist.---CH 19:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Daughter of David Woodward - copyright criminal??

Hi Calton, I see that you flagged for possible copyright infringement a page I started for my dad as a commemoration of his birthday/anniversary of his death was last week. He was one of the top cartographers in the world and I thought his bibliography could be of use on the site.

I merely pasted his bio (which he wrote I believe) from his own site to wikipedia. And yet, you so relish the idea of "mopping up after the dishonest, incompetent, and fanatical" that the site was plastered with a harsh red flag of copyright infringement and investigation!!!

I value Wikipedia's restrictions and appreciate your keen watchdog pride but could it be there is a hazy fog covering the line you tread between dishonesty and humanity?

I will now begin sending emails to all the legally-required copyright blah blah blah. I hope the site will not shut down before I can collect the necessary info. It took a while to compile it in the first place. I could hardly figure out how to leave you a message....Another afternoon wasted.

Sigh.

Jenny —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgwoodward (talk • contribs) 9 Sept 2006, 16:32 (UTC)

Your comment on Deletion Review

On DRV-Jason Fortuny, you wrote "... if the usual ED suspects want the notoriety they can do it with Wikipedia's help." I assume you meant without, but given that it changes the meaning, didn't want to change it myself. Regards, Newyorkbrad 02:36, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Day pages

Thanks for your work on the day pages; keeping those free of non-notable births and bad data is a never-ending challenge. --mav 16:13, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:'T

Any idea why the Primetime links are no longer listed on WP:LTA? I was going to add a slew a few days ago (from the past month or two of wikt:Special:Log/block) but lost interest when I realized it is an orphaned page now. --Connel MacKenzie - wikt 05:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:DENY seems to be the major component of what's going on, behind the scenes. Obviously, the perpetrators of the removal don't understand that this is ongoing. The longest break in activity so far has been only a couple weeks. --Connel MacKenzie - wikt 01:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Doug Jernigan

Ok I'm new to this wikipedia thing, I'm trying to understand how this all works and I see you have flagged a page for deletion Doug Jernigan is a respected and renown Steel Guitarist, I placed a page from Pedal steel guitar with Doug's Bio and Accomplishments, notability his induction into the Steel Guitar Hall Of Fame along with information about his abilities for speed picking and versatility of Country, Jazz and Blues. Any help here would be appreciated? In regarding how to include such a person who has contributed so much to the advancement of Pedal Steel Guitar and its distinct sound.Beachbumz 02:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)Beachbumz

Izzy Gomez (restaurateur)

Per your request, I restored the article. There's not much meat to it (ha ha!) but if you can fix it up, more power to ya! :D ~Kylu (u|t) 02:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Future game consoles in the date pages

Re: November 19. He might have been thinking of the references that someone added for the Playstation 3 release here on November 11 and November 17. (I have no opinion one way or the other whether it ought to be there...I think in general there's too much crap on those pages.) -- Jim Douglas 22:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Cindy Sheehan

Dear Calton, I noticed you had deleted the line in the Cindy Sheehan article about the satirical article in the Onion. This made me think: If one of the two "Myths" is considered pointless, then, by a similar logic, isn't the other one to be considered the same? Why didn't you delete the other one too? With Regards, Yours, Savio mit electronics 10:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Dear Calton,

Thanks for the reply. You are right, I am new to Wikipedia and not much experienced. I did not wish to offend you in any manner. If my previous post has offended you, I humbly offer my sincere apologies. Perhaps I should have worded my post in a different manner. I was not trying to challenge you or anything like that. I was merely asking a question to understand more about Wikipedia. I realise that you are much more experienced than I and have made several contributions to Wikipedia. I would like to respectfully point out here that it was not I who put that line into the article. When I first saw it I too thought it was trivial, but nevertheless, I added a citation for it. Later, I saw that you had deleted the line, and, motivated by curiosity, (and not by any irritation or ill will towards you), I was merely asking a question so that I might learn more about what sort of information is allowed and what is not. Once again, I offer my apologies if you were offended by my previous post.

With Regards,

Yours sincerely,

Savio mit electronics 12:19, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

3RR

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. --Nearly Headless Nick 06:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Try reading the talk page of the article: I'm removing spam, something which has been the subject of FOUR (4) AfDs and two DRVs, a link which fails WP:External links utterly, a subject that the editor has been attempting to shoehorn into Wikipedia for the last year, at least, even changing the name to get around {{deletedpage}}.

Play closer attention before pasting in your templated messages, please. --Calton | Talk 06:56, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

You need to report that on WP:ANI, instead of revert-warring with another editor. Its against WP:3RR. If you make more than three reverts in 24 hours, I will have to block you. Best wishes. --Nearly Headless Nick 06:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

You can reply here, I am watching this page. I like to keep my conversations in one thread. --Nearly Headless Nick 07:00, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

From WP:3RR: In cases of simple vandalism that is clearly not a content dispute (e.g. graffiti, link spam [emphasis mine]), the three-revert rule does not apply.

This isn't content, it's linkspam. --Calton | Talk 07:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

And as for WP:ANI, this isn't an admin action, so I doubt they'd be very receptive to a minor complaint like this clogging up the page. --Calton | Talk 07:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't you think seeking administrator intervention would be proper in such circumstances, instead of taking on another editor and revert-warring with him? You are a credible editor and that is the reason I served you the notice. Please assume good faith while dealing with other editors. For your information, WP:ANI exists for dealing with editors who vandalise wikipedia with linkspam or gibberish. You would be in no way clogging up the page by taking your request there. Revert-warring is not the answer. --Nearly Headless Nick 07:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

DRV

Would you please look at my proposal re 911tRtT? Thanks, — Xiutwel (talk) 08:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

AFD

You appear to be getting frustrated. You've made comments such as "Put a cork in it" and calling someone a "bog-standard artist". Please try to refrain from such comments as they could easily be construed as personal attacks or hostile. I've seen enough useful contributions from you to know that losing you would be a shame for the project. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Cat Cora

How do. I'm the nut who's about doubled the Cat Cora article - from which you deleted the delightfully-designated "superchefspam" on the two widely separated occasions of August 18 and September 11. Righteous busts, both. I was just curious what might have drawn them to your attention - since your contribution history doesn't suggest an emphasis on the culinary. Ribonucleic 01:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Sarfatti

I've taken care of it. In the future if you have issues like this please feel free to bring them directly to me. Jayjg ^(talk) 02:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Lauder-Frost

Calton, the result was delete, according to the admin who closed the AfD. The only reason I haven't deleted is that I voted, and was marginally involved in editing the article. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 07:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

See here. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 07:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I went ahead and deleted it, as I don't suppose it matters which admin does it. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 08:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Kresky

I am amazed nobody caught the Kresky article until now. TV Newser 08:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Aussie Pollie Stubs

I am very concerned about the recent deletion of around 50 stubs on Australian politicians. These articles lay the foundation for what Wikipedia will one day be..."a multilingual free encyclopedia of the highest possible quality to every single person on the planet in their own language" (Jimmy Wales). This however will not happen overnight. I draw parallels to my own project on Central Coast, New South Wales articles. 90% of the suburbs are stubs. But these stubs encourage anyone to edit. Even trivial information has a place on Wikipedia. It should not worry YOU if the articles contained very little information, but you should be happy that the articles had information. In many cases these articles only needed an infobox and they would have been reasonably adequate. In closing I ask anyone who has supported their deletion, that you reconsider your vote by visiting this page: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2006 September 30#Albert Piddington (Australian politician) Todd661 10:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Jack Clay

I've added references to the article, Please see if they're satisfactory (I can probably add more.) Notability is a bit of a slippery slope. I gauged it on the number of successful students he's had who acknowledge his influence (several notable in the popular culture, one Academy Award Winner, one Emmy Award Winner, one Pulitzer Prize winner) but I'm not one to engage in proof by vigorous hand-waving. Let me know what your standard of notability is and I'll see if I can flesh out Clay's biography to meet it. Digitalican 15:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Recent feedback regarding the Malian Foundation article

Hi Carlton, Thanks for your feedback regarding the Foundation article I helped rewrite. Was the original version better? The original version was written in October 2005 and remained completely uncontested by various editors/admins except for some minor updates relating to the categories the article was made a member of. I have included further information within the talk page about the notability of the foundation for your persual. Thanks again, Alexgoda 02:12, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

If these articles exist, why can't mine

if these articles exist: Ray Barone, Robert Barone, List of songs in English labeled the worst ever, Corny, Must See TV, Dirty talk, Still The One, Bludge, Bugger, List of songs whose title constitutes the entire lyrics, Silver Creek High School (San Jose, California), Robert J. Galbraith, Jon Talbain, John Gale (poker player), Yugi Mutou, Woods Bay, Montana, Tube caddy, Genitorturers, List of Dune terminology, Claire Littleton, Michael Dawson (Lost), Naked Prey along with hundreds of music albums nobody has heard of all have articles, why can't Technicolor for Industrial Films. there are very few ephemeral films from that era about ephemeral films.Yet-another-user 03:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I never said these articles are crappy, in fact, some are very good. Im just saying if wikipedia can have articles on these subjects, why can't my articles exist.Yet-another-user 04:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

You dont even seem to understand what i am saying. What i mean is this: Wikipedia is not paper, and wikipedia can have article on even the smallest notable things. You seem to be very nasty, and your mis-understanding what i am saying.Yet-another-user 05:25, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm leavin wikipedia, it's too stressful. and note i possible just typed in something very badly and i came out the oppisite of what i wanted.Yet-another-user 05:43, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for pointing me to Copyscape. -- DiegoTehMexican 14:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Asahi Corp

Hi Calton, just wanted to point out Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Asahi_Corp._(2nd_nomination) for you. As an old Japan hand, I thought you'd be better able to verify this article and category than most. (I think the current "media group" claim is misleading original research that conflates two companies, and that the possible replacement of the fabric company namesake is not notable.) thanks! Bwithh 23:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Robert Charles Griggs

Just wanted to respond to your tag that my article about Robert Charles Griggs needed more references. The problem is that there simply aren't any other references aside from the one article and the research I've been able to do on my own - he's essentially been missing for years. I talked to many of the people who worked on the album and they all say the same thing - that after producing a particularly unique and envelope-pushing recording, he left the music business, becoming a born again Christian and dropping off of the radar completely. But I don't see how this would be grounds for a possible deletion. That it is worth including in wikipedia seems obvious. Historicaly and artistically, the merit is there. It is not a spam article, and this place is frankly the only method by which knowledge of this guy can be centralized.

Justinkrivers 03:30, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I see that you have tagged my article again. This is unfortunate, because I think it is a disservice to the wikipedia project. Perhaps I do not have enough "proof" to satisfy you, but the expert you consulted is frankly the wrong guy to ask. I have made no claims that Griggs is a widespread cultural phenom, but his notability as a historical figure, as a significant musical failure, and as a cult figure do not dissappear in light of Ed Ward not having heard of him. He is certainly not the person to consult, since his expertise lies outside of this particular genre and the world that Griggs came from. My primary research is credible. I don't lack evidence, but merely lack sources that have been widely published. When I hear that hicks in New Mexico listened to his album last week, or that one of his songs was played on a college station in Boston, or that somebody just paid twenty bucks for his album in an LA record shop, or that Griggs' performance of "Kentucky Waltz" is on the first and (arguably) most important Town Hall Party album, that indicates that I am right, and that you are making a judgement that you are unqualified to make. My article, though flawed, is not a vanity article or a piece of flotsam. Just because the notability of this guy doesn't manifest itself in lofty academic halls or among people who's cultural backgrounds are terribly literate, doesn't mean it isn't there. You seem to have had similar problems with other articles and wikipedia authors. I implore you to tackle the articles that really do need oversight, all the vanity pages etc, and leave my article alone. Information leads to more information, and this article is the best way for scholarship on this subject to develope further.

Justinkrivers 08:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Edward william cole

You do know that copyright-violating articles created with 48 hours can be speedy-deleted, right? You can use the handy {{db-copyvio|SOURCE}} template, saving a lot of bother. I just tagged this article as such, left a note on the creator's page, and removed the listing from WP:CP. Just so you know. --Calton | Talk 01:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Calton! Thanks for your note. I know about the copyvio speedy deletion criterion, but I have obviously not updated myself on it. It used to only cover the copyvios where the copyright owner derives profit from the material, so a that a direct copy would unquestionably be akin to stealing. For instance, a direct copy from the Encarta. With that wording, I thought it best to blank, tag as copyvio and send through the long CP process (since I never cleaned it out, it didn't really bother me that there was a backlog). I see now that criterion A8 is worded differently, and that this article is a clear speedy candidate. Thanks for assisting in the removal of the article. :-) Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:45, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Izzy Gomez

How come you suggested speedy deletion of the real person named Izzy Gomez? You did nothing to the character from Tuggs that used his name for a cartoon? If a real person exists, and can be substantiated by numerous references , who are you to suggest deletion of the submission? 03:02, 8 October 2006 (UTC)~

Now you can start your own article about yourself!

FYI, a New York Times columnist has now preserved your Wikipedia afd opinion about Garfield's teddy bear "Pooky" for all time. See http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/weekinreview/08word.html Bwithh 21:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Roy's

Yup, that's the real deal. It is quite literally in the middle of nowhere north of Twentynine Palms and south of the Kelso Dunes and Interstate 40. In fact, I was thinking of writing an article about the place myself since I only gave it a mention in the article about Amboy. It really is one of the few Route 66 relics of its type left between Barstow and Needles. Looks like the article can use a tune-up, though. Thanks for letting me know! Don't be a stranger; always nice to hear from you. - Lucky 6.9 01:10, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Zuckerbaby

Hi Calton. Zuckerbaby existed. I listened to them in my teenage years. They were a staple on MuchMusic and released a song called Andromeda was a major hit in Canada. -- Samir धर्म 04:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Oops. Didn't read it. I was just responding to an e-mail I got. I'll remove the last unsourced paragraph. Thanks -- Samir धर्म 04:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sophie McLean

Hi Calton; I think you may want to take a closer look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sophie McLean. The article's been redirected (fully intact as far as I can tell) to Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous, and all the {{afd}} tags have been pulled from both articles. See also User talk:MONGO#Question regarding "bold" redirecting of article to avoid AfD; something funny is going on here. Best, --Aaron 20:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:deletion/Mr. Kincade

Way to blotch a legit contribution. Thanks for your suggestion for a speedy deletion. There was not a single bit of spam on that in the first place and you tagged it as such. I re-wrote it after than and took out EVERY company name he had worked for, every movie name he was in. Even removed any inner-licks. Still deleted. It was all giving details of his career, as any other actor has in his / her listing.

Nice work.

Roni Lynn Deutch

I recreated this article because at the time of it's deletion, the delting admin (Herostratus) emailed me and said I could "recreate the article at any time, as long as it is 'substantially different from the previous article' according to Wikipedia policy." I have found more reliable sources on the topic and created an article that is substantially different. If you have comments on the article please put them in the discussion page instead of deleting it with no comment in the discussion page.--mathewguiver 14:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Comments at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Raymond_Buckley

Viviandarkbloom may be a time waster and I may be smarmy, but it is pointless to bring up such discussions in the public AfD forum. The fact that Viviandarkbloom or anyone else has done anything to an article has no say on the notability of the subject. The article should be judged on its own merits and discussion at the AfD should be relevent. I apologize for calling you out as well, and that was wrong of me, but I again remind you that WikiPedia, especially the public AfD forums is Not a place for personal attacks. Use of perjorative names for other users, even if accurate, do not serve to fix the problem behavior. It only serves to enflame others. Even if I have no idea what I am talking about, and even if Viviandarkbloom is a raving lunatic, public AfD forums are not place to bring that up. Come to my talk page, tell me there that I have no business commenting on the article in question because I am a loser or whatever, but leave it out of the public discourse. In the case of the specific article at hand, the subject more than exceeds the miniumum requirements as spelled out in notability guidelines. The fact that it was deprodded in bad faith has NO BEARING on the inherent notability of the subject. The article should be kept if judged of its own value against the agreed upon standard. Longtime members of state legislatures ARE notable. This guy passes the test. --Jayron32 17:26, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Jayron, please don't accuse me of bad faith wihtout checking out the facts. Calton has a long and sorry history of making inaccurate, unreliable comments in AfD discussions, has been making personal attacks against me for several weeks after I pointed this out. Calton has been warned, over and over, about making personal attacks, and was blocked for it not very long ago. I removed Calton's prod on the Buckley article because Calton's claim was that Buckley was only a member of a "state level" "minor" political organization. The Democratic National Committee is not a minor organization nor a state-level organization, the prod claim was complete nonsense. and I removed it in good faith. Please be careful to follow WP:AGF yourself. VivianDarkbloom 20:15, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Calton, your points on this subject would be valid if they were not in conflict with expressed WikiPedia guidelines. WP:NN expressly describes members of state legislatures as inherently notable. I would vote the other way if the guideline were not already established. And it has little to do with the fact that I went to High School in New Hampshire. I have no idea who this guy is. I merely am applying the standards set out in Wikipedia policy as to notability fo a subject. I try to be even handed. Since you seem to be mostly concerned with an editors track record (as opposed to the SUBJECT of the article independant of any editors). Check out my involvement in prior AfD discussions. Just for example, look at [[1]], and [[2]]. Two guitar players, one notable, one not. To make my judgement, I applied the standards found in WP:NN and WP:MUSIC and did independant research using reliable sources. I did the same in researching Buckley. His notability exists independant of my or your opinion of him. The standards existed before I did, and were arrived at by WikiPedia community consensus. I merely noted that he was a long time state legislator, and that all people are notable by definition in WP:NN. If you have a reason that exists in WikiPedia policy, or have independant research on a third party website that would show the contary, please make such evidence known in the AfD discussion so administrators can make a quality judgement. Not liking another editor is not a reason to delete an article. --Jayron32 03:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, fair enough. Merely being a member of the state legislature would NOT be enough. I will grant that. I will even grant that tenure length itself does NOT establish notability. But he was in the party leadership in said body (Democrat whip) and even showed up in the national press while in said body (CNN article already cites). What I want to know is what WOULD make a state legislator notable to you? Or do you just deny that any state legislator can be notable merely for being a state legislator? --Jayron32 04:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I have found more information about Buckley. I have found several more national citations (Washington Post, CBS, NPR), on a variety of issues. That meets point 1. He's also been cited specifically (point 2 & 3) for championing legislation on issues of national prominence (gay marriage and gay adoption, for one) which atleast meets the same level of notability for Frank Lassee you provided as an example. What next? What else do we need to find to make the article keepable? --Jayron32 05:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Deleting Lali Watt

Hey there - I would just like to confirm that I'm aware that you're not an admin and I'd also like to say that I am taking down your prod for deletion from the Lali Watt article (unless you really feel that it deserves to be there). You say in your comments that "won a local conservation battle but otherwise unnnotable". Using "otherwise" implies that there is something that is notable and therefore the article deserves to stay up. In any case, thanks for your help in trying to make Wikipedia a better place :). Mrmaroon25 22:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

From the notability page: "In order to have a verifiable article, a topic must be notable enough that it will be described by multiple independent reliable sources."

Here we go: www.csmonitor.com/2006/0928/p02s02-ussc.html, http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0609270301sep27,1,2964948.story?ctrack=1&cset=true, http://www.nrdc.org/news/newsDetails.asp?nID=2309

I believe that counts as notable, though of course you may (and probably will) have a difference of opinion.

Speech synthesis up for FAR

Hi there,

You're listed in the edit history of this article. I wonder whether you're able to help bring it up to FA standard again? Please see WP:FAR#Speech_synthesis.

Tony 06:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)