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Re: BMT Sea Beach Line

Hey Eddie, this edit to BMT Sea Beach Line, replacing crossover switches with exicornt switches, comes from an IP address that you've done a lot of editing from. (In fact, all the edits from the IP appear to be yours. contribs) What is up with that? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I realized My mistake. I created a wiki on My computer and I wanted to import that version's text into My computer, but I realized I clicked Wikipedia's save buttion. Although it's reverted. I'd like You to delete that revison (delete the page and restore all the other revision except that one) You have the ability to do so. -- Eddie, Tuesday March 7 2006 at 18:07 18:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad it was a mistake; I know you've been playing around with local wikis, so that makes sense to me. Hmm. I'd like to get some other admins' opinions on deleting entries from the history for this purpose; I'm not sure it's neccessary or prudent. Anybody else watching this page have an opinion? —Bunchofgrapes ([[User

talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 18:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I just don't want people to oppose Me on trivial matters like that, since any page can be reverted. I'm only human, after all. -- Eddie, Tuesday March 7 2006 at 18:17 18:17, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I would agree with Bunchofgrapes that it is not neccesary to delete that edit. If you had started an edit war then that would be detrimental to your reputation. If you admit it is a mistake, and you do, then there is no problem. David D. (Talk) 18:29, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, history deletions are a bad business to get into, really only appropriate for cases where Wikipedia might get into legal trouble or when personal information has been revealed. It's fine that you made a mistake, Eddie, don't sweat it. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 18:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Aha, here's the conversation. :-) Good explanation, Bunchofgrapes. FreplySpang (talk) 22:06, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Well whatever You guys do, I have no further intent on discussing this subject further, as BMT Sea Beach Line was reverted and no further harm done. Let's move on now. -- Eddie, Wednesday March 8 2006 at 03:58

Barn star!

Thank you! —Eternal Equinox | talk 20:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for erasing the vandalism left by the many IPs on my user profile page. In recognition of your actions, I hereby award you with The Barnstar of Diligence. Keep it up! —Eternal Equinox

Thanks! It will go nicely to replace one I lost a while back! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:55, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

You lost a barnstar? Is that possible? —Eternal Equinox | talk 21:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean "prerogative"? I believe that you are referring to Hollow Wilerding? She no longer edits using the library references because of her impudence; it may have been her although it may not have been. Either way, congrats! —Eternal Equinox | talk 22:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Ah, caught in a spelling error, the shame, the shame... Anyway, thanks again. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

so wut

well u no wut it wasnt me and im really never on this account so wut are u goin to do boot me off???!!!??? stfu man i didnt doo nothin its just cuz im black!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scubaman129 (talk • contribs) 21:30, March 7, 2006 (UTC)

We're all the same color on the inside. Peace out. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Are we? Nevertheless, we all bleed and its the same colour of red. Or is it? Don't those royals have blue blood?David D. (Talk) 21:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Depends on whether its in a vein or an artery or something, right? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:41, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Only if you don't expose it to air. Of course, more to the point, we're all the same color on Wikipedia. Black text on a white background, or whatever your personal theme looks like. TCC (talk) (contribs) 21:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Rfa..

I've been nominated to be a Admin. Any advice ? Martial Law 00:28, 8 March 2006 (UTC) :)

Hi Martial Law. I already voted in your RfA, where I also gave you some advice regarding the kinds of things I think you should do more of before you're ready for adminship. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 00:35, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

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Yes, yes, OrphanBot... kill it with fire. ;-) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:02, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

The References code style

Not too long ago you helped me in using the <ref> tag. On the Tinwiki, we are trying to work out how to standardize our citations. Do you know what is involved in establishing the <ref> tag format for new Wikis? I very much like the <ref> tag format, and want to introduce it early to our Wiki. Or perhaps you can point me out to someone that can help? Nygdan 14:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, I know it's a MediaWiki extension; see m:Cite/Cite.php. I know user User:Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote it, so he could probably answer any technical questions that the Cite.php page doesn't. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:54, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

Mont Blanc Cake for Bunchofgrapes, because of the kind assistance given during a frazzled day! KillerChihuahua^?!? 03:36, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Good choice! The danish would have been disappointing. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:48, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Having one of those "off" days, and getting a little frazzled, so thank you so very much for your kind assist. I don't know whether to offer you a cup of tea, a crumpet, a cookie, a fluffy cat, or all of the above - tell me which! thanks again! KillerChihuahua^?!? 01:01, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

It's adminitis, maybe; it's going around, I've got a nasty case too. Something in the dessert line would be best. :-) (And you're welcome, but it was nothing.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:32, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

The cake is simply voluptuous — I can smell the cake from here. I've checked its commons page and appears to be a Japanese cake. Their art of bakery is something unforgettable... --BorgQueen 03:56, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Their Iron Chefs are the best too. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

This user thinks it is ironic that thanks for supporting Cyde's successful RFA came in the form of a userbox.

Here's a userbox for you. --Cyde Weys 04:16, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I believe this polemical and inflammatory userbox is harmful to the community. Congrats, Cyde! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Cheese fly

I just read about the cheese fly and its associated cheese. Why did I not heed the warning on your user page? I am no longer hungry. Cheers! :) Isopropyl 02:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Ah. Here is another victim. --BorgQueen 10:39, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Get a can of RAID and throw out that cheese. Martial Law 05:06, 11 March 2006 (UTC) :)

Really, get a can of RAID (insect spray) and throw that cheese out into the garbage. Martial Law 05:31, 11 March 2006 (UTC) :)

If I ever announce an Italian vacation, remind me to avoid cheese while in Sardinia. KillerChihuahua^?!? 06:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Stick to the Pecorino; if someone offers to share any sort of "special" cheese... run. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 06:17, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

By the way, the military teaches in its survival schools that you will have to eat things that would make a maggot puke. This is in case one gets trapped behind enemy lines, as what happened to Captain Scott O. Grady, who ended up being shot down behind enemy lines in Bosnia. Martial Law 03:57, 12 March 2006 (UTC) :)

Re.:Bigfoot Documentaries

Just citing material that was shown on the documentary channels. For some reason, these channels had began showing this material. On these, some bigfoot cases were profiled, incl. a hostile encounter, then the two positions were also featured, the pro-Bigfoot people's position and that of the "Skeptics", such as a guy who represented the Skeptical Inquirer, and one who appearantly was representing BFRO or some other organization. I've seen a report in which someone had taken a "pot-shot" at one of these things. Martial Law 05:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC) :)

A pot-shot is where you take your gun and shoot at a target, just like some people do to road signs in the US. I've personally seen the bullet holes in the road signs. Martial Law 05:05, 11 March 2006 (UTC) :)

Other than the hostile encounter cited (and dramatically re-created), some Bigfoot feces reports, the material found is similar to what is in Wikipedia. The 1958 incident was also recreated for these documentaries as well. Martial Law 05:16, 11 March 2006 (UTC) :)

Where can I place this in the article ? Martial Law 05:29, 11 March 2006 (UTC) :)

Will comply. Martial Law 00:09, 12 March 2006 (UTC) :)

Where can I place the reference to the Sci-Fi channel's Sasquatch movie reference ? The spoiler is that a rescue team encounters the monster while searching for survivors of a plane crash. It has aired on 3-11-06 @ 11pm EST/EDT on the Sci-fi channel AS a movie. Martial Law 00:22, 12 March 2006 (UTC) :)

Based on your description, this is the 2002 movie The Untold (imdb plot summary), which IMDB says here was released in the US as Sasquatch (and in French Canada as Inexplicable). The Film and television secion already lists The Untold, but feel free and add "(Also released in the US as Sasquatch)" to the entry if it would make you happy.

On a more general note, I went out of my way to do this basic research (an imdb search) for you, but you should be able to do it for yourself if you are going to make positive contributions to the encyclopedia. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 00:32, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Added the movie material. It could use a clean up. Why is nearly all of the media airing this material ? Martial Law 02:16, 12 March 2006 (UTC) :)

Single malt Scotch

Hi Bunch, I was looking into the food and drinks section at FA, and was wondering if this article is truly comprehensive enough for a FA. And it has no inline citations. I would be curious to hear your opinion. --BorgQueen 14:45, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Having been promoted (one way or another) in 2004, I wouldn't expect, nor penalize it overmuch, for not having inline citations alone -- but I agree that it's noncomprehensive. The whole article boils down to an extremely anemic lead and three sections - an ok-but-chopped-up "production" section, a terse "history" and a brief nondescriptive list of Regions. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:00, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight. I've nominated it for removal: You are invited to discuss your view at Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/Single malt Scotch. --BorgQueen 16:27, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Vandalised....

What is going on here ? Your three articles, such as pepper, butter, and cheese are being hard hit. Martial Law 03:52, 12 March 2006 (UTC) :)

No, they're not. Butter hasn't changed since March 10, Black pepper since March 8, and Cheese has it's usual level of vandalism (people think cheese is funny). Or are you talking about the historical repeated similar vandalism on all three from AOL IPs? If so, that's just Beckjord, the once proud Bigfoot-field-researcher turned petty-Wikipedia-vandal. Or maybe you're just noticing that most of the edits on those pages are vandalisms or reverts: that's because they are featured articles, fairly comprehensive and well-written, so not much article improvement is taking place there. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:58, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Just concerned. Martial Law 06:57, 12 March 2006 (UTC) :)

Why is cheese funny? I dont see anything funny about it. You have bacteria and you have fats. Pudding is extremely funny by the way.

Just as I expected

Even though you have no validity to do so under policy(which in itself is paradoxical), you threaten me anyway, per the norm at Wikipedia. Go ahead. Make me into a martyr. I'm browsing right now, but i'll go back to petitioning at my leisure. Karmafist 18:08, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm having a discussion with Talrias to see if there's a better way to prevent basically what you're doing right now, if doing what I used to be paid for at America Coming Together isn't going to work in the short term but something else might, i'll be happy to do so.

Actually, we've moved on the discussing something only partially related to Wikipedia, so i'll have to come back to you later. However, hopefully we can communicate our concerns and views to each other rather never ending brinksmanship. Karmafist 19:06, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

The big difference between real-life American get-out-the-vote campaigns and doing it on Wikipedia is that America is not an encyclopedia. We have one community-supported goal here, and building a better wikigovernment is not it. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

It is necessary to build a better wikigovernment because as you have seen many, many times, people don't always agree on what is "better" for the encyclopedia, and then arguments arise until one side threatens the other(usually without reasoning in the pathethic excuses for rules that guide what we do here to avoid things like this and claiming a "consensus" that cannot be shown), as you are doing now. If people such as yourself continue to act as you are now, Wikipedia will eventually collapse upon itself. The Arbcom is a Kangaroo Court, any injunction would mean nothing since they have no laws to stand upon that aren't either paradoxical or ignored, such as is the case here. If I find it productive to do what I was doing before, I will continue to do so. If I don't, I won't. Karmafist 19:59, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Let me get this straight:

• We need a full-fledged government, but
• ...Until we get one that meets your standards, the operations of the one most-government-like body we have, the ArbCom, are meaningless, and
• ...You will continue to do whatever you deem fit or "productive".

Question: if someone found it productive to greet newcomers with images of genetalia, would you respect their opinion on that? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:16, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

In any case, I have now opened up Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Karmafist. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:15, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

You don't seem to be listening, which is appropriate since neither am I. Have fun with that arbitration. Karmafist 21:43, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

You can be sure I won't. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:54, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Spelling

Is it too complicated for you guys to put spell page in which the word you are looking for may be there in the sense if you type in a word spelt wrong you may have a page of you be looking for as well as what the articl is that you are looking for.

More a question for the developers, I think. Try Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:33, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Could you place that link with the other links I already have ? Martial Law 07:58, 14 March 2006 (UTC) :)

E-mail

But I spent hours getting the commas just so... It is so unfair. -- ALoan (Talk) 22:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

You are destroying teh Wikipedia! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 00:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, sorry - wasn't that my line? Am I wearing the wrong hat? -- ALoan (Talk) 01:27, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Karmafist

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Karmafist. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Karmafist/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Karmafist/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Johnleemk | Talk 17:20, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Image copyright problem with Image:Digdogger.gif

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thank you. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:20, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Sorry about doing that with the template, Eddie - No ime to write a personalized message :-) In addition to not specifying a license, you didn't specify a source, either. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:20, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I put a screenshot tag, I hope that helps. -- Eddie, Wednesday March 15, 2006 at 12:00 AM

Sure, looks fine now; thanks! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 00:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Article Check: UFOdigest.com

Need a article check on this new article for any errors. Martial Law 01:19, 15 March 2006 (UTC) :)

Turkish Delight for you

Please eat me gently.

Today I've been shopping and bought a serving of this. I wanted to share with you (sorry I already tried a bit). It even has nice bits of nuts inside - first I thought they were squashed parts of insects. Thanks to your Cheese fly I'm having insect paranoia... --BorgQueen 17:18, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

• I never ever ever get given Turkish delight, not even when I'm on the main page. I don't think anyone likes me! Giano | talk 19:56, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

• Hey, Giano's on the front page today! Some sort of article on pita bread or something. No? Congraulations, Giano! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:45, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

• Shit! I didn't wait for the foto of your Turkish deligh to download...very nice! Don't worry, I'm suddenly not feeling hungry. Thanks for noticing I am there by the way, anything in particular drwaw you there - something similar in Idaho perhaps? Giano | talk 20:51, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Compromise

Cool, i'm glad we could come to a compromise! As for the edit summaries, i'm just joking around, to me, WP:POINT only applies when it gets in the way of doing anything, which editsummarycountitis definately fits into... so, i'm trying to turn a negative into a positive and making edit summaries when they're not needed(it's my belief that if an edit is self explanatory or minor, an edit summary is usually overkill)into a kind of guerrilla artform.

I hope there's no hard feelings, my goal is not to pick fights, it's as I have put on my sig, to save Wikipedia in any way I can. I can just be very determined when I feel like i'm backed into a corner, if i'm given options that are constructive and avoid conflict, 99% of the time, I take them. Karmafist ^{Save Wikipedia} 18:38, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Shorts

When I first wrote Featured shorts in a page I did indeed think of those nifty garments people often wear over the upper legs. Interestingly, the editors on the shorts have shown something of a gender bias in their pic selections...

Incidentally, what do you think of Wikipedia:Good articles? Marskell 19:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I am not a fan. Largely for the same reasons Raul gives. I'm also thinking that some month or another they will deploy the article rating/validation system that's been promised since January, and that will fill any needs that GA currently addresses.

I admit that the featured short (article) concept makes some sense though: It's not in the rules, but it certainly is a clear fact in practice today that a short article, no matter how good or comprehensive, can never be an FA. Maybe that's a good thing, maybe it's not. I tell you what, though: I wouldn't mind seeing the Did You Know? front page section replaced with something that doesn't emphasise creating new articles. (We've got a million, let's stop and work on those.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:06, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, there are lots of articles to be written - think of all of those Scandinavian cheeses languishing as redlinks... -- ALoan (Talk) 22:35, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Editcountitis party!

File:WhiteWine.jpg

Dig in! 6000 edits! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've had most of the Supreme Pizza [wipes mouth]. You guys may share the slice I left. Bishonen | ノート 18:11, 17 March 2006 (UTC).

You took a bite out of the one leftover slice?! I think I'll go have some Turkish Delight instead, now... —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:03, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

All right, you should have been a bit quicker with that slice, look who's having it now. Share if you dare. Bishonen | ノート 19:20, 17 March 2006 (UTC).

Dropping the case

Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Karmafist/Workshop#Motion_to_drop_the_case. -- SCZenz 21:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Kava

I've semi-protected Kava for persistent spamming by several IP users. Can you look into the remaining external links on this article? I am not sure about the discussion forums, and a couple of sites that have "buy" button a bit too visibly. --BorgQueen 02:13, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I applied the weed-whacker. Discussion forums bad; commercial sites often bad. Wikipedia isn't google, that's the rule to bear in mind, I think. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:54, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

The guy sent you email, too, didn't he? --BorgQueen 17:13, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Yup. Doesn't mean he's wrong, though. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:17, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Durian

The IPA is taken care of. the iBook of the Revolution 02:59, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

New wiki-skin

Hi Bunch, I am now using this skin: Fosfori Verdi. It is quite lovely - now I really feel like I am in a Borg sphere :-) You should try one of those invented skins sometime. --BorgQueen 17:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

The borg never were known for their honed esthetic sense. BQ, right now your user page -- for those not using that skin -- has a good bit of black text on a black background. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:43, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Sigh... fixed now. Thanks for letting me know. --BorgQueen 17:48, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

And here I thought she was being subtle. KillerChihuahua^?!? 15:03, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry you lost me... How do you mean? --BorgQueen 15:16, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

As in, I thought the black-on-black was to intrigue and interest, and to reveal itself only to those who have the perspicacity to highlight the page. KillerChihuahua^?!? 15:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, that *is* an intriguing idea, little chihuahua... but I don't think I have that much to hide... wait... EUREKA!!! ηὕρηκα!!! 유레카!!! ユレカ!!! I've found a new method to keep my personal diary more private! :-) --BorgQueen 15:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Of course, if you stick to mixing Greek, Korean and Japanese, it will probably remain obscure for most on the English WP without any text obscuring. KillerChihuahua^?!? 15:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Mango

I just wanted to say that I am sorry about the mango thing. I lenrned alot from this mistake. After all nobody learns without making mistakes right? Tarret 20:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Karmafist

The Arbitration Committee has reached a final decision in this case. --Ryan Delaney ^talk 21:12, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Simon Byrne

Is now in main space (complete with the amazing foot note system!) It's not been completed to the standard I would have liked, but there was not a lot more I could find out about him, in fact I think this is probably the most complete page anywhere - so it will have to do, perhaps someone somewhere out there can add more. Thanks for the help. Giano | talk 21:53, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh good. It's a really good article. I hope your day is picking up, Giano -- seems to be a lot of tension going around at the moment. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Did you know?

A suggestion of mine has bourne fruit. Or maggots. Whatever. See here. KillerChihuahua^?!? 15:35, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Naturally I first looked when it wasn't there :-) After a while, I decided I should go figure out what the puppy was talking about, and when I looked that time, it was there twice! Thanks KC. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:13, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Well played, Woofboygirl. ++Lar: t/c 22:54, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

That's a woofgirl. Bishonen | ノート 01:19, 24 March 2006 (UTC).

I did not know that. "On the internet, no one knows you're a dog" (or a girl) Thanks! It was still well played though. Perhaps even more so, since one does typically not expect grossouts from girls. ++Lar: t/c 01:29, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

A natural error to make in the case of someone with a moniker meaning "pretty-boy", methinks. TCC (talk) (contribs) 01:53, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Huh?

What were you intending to do in this edit? It looks like you were reverting the good IP into the bad one. I'm sure it was accidental, but try to read the differences; just because it be an IP, doesn't mean its always vandalism. :P Take care, M ^o P 18:55, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Heh heh, Mcpoopies. Surely those two IPs were but one person, though—look at them! Bishonen | ノート 21:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC).

Yeah, as I explained over on Master of Puppet's page, I mistakely read the IPs for the two edits as being the same, and thought I was rolling both back, trying to fix the still-messed up capitalization. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

YHBT, HAND

I really shouldn't have responded to trolling on Jimbo's page. Twice. But this [1] made it all worthwhile. Thank you very much! You are a scholar... as for me, I may just be proteins, fatty acids and sugars. My world view, stirred... (it's Bond that likes things shaken...) ++Lar: t/c 22:54, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Grapes are gone

BTW, I just captured all the grapes, and myself and my new friend are eating the same. Thanks. --Bhadani 18:17, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Try this now

[2] Giano | talk 22:12, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Not perfect but it's a lot better. Giano | talk 22:22, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Not according to Bishzilla, who I believe takes general issue with my obsession with the &mdash; but has been too tactful to tell me directly how lousy my constant over- and mis-use of it is. But at least she didn't give me one of those "idiot"s. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Nerd. Bishonen | ノート 22:48, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I expect she feels a weight has been lifted from her shoulders - which of course it has Giano | talk 22:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

So very tactful she is indeed. I should have mixed two or three more metaphors into my edit on Simon Byrne, too! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:51, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Aha, Giano, it's the Blondin award you're after? Haha. Those are few and far between. You and your subtle hints. Bishonen | ノート 23:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC).

No he seems nice enough, but Worldtraveller is really not my type. I prefer them with bigger chests and less facial hair. Sorry World! Giano | talk 23:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

One of my brainwaves.I was just thinking Simon Byrne needs a better lead image - do you think if we used Worldtraveller anyone would notice? - He looks a bit like a boxer. Giano | talk 23:10, 24 March 2006 (UTC) Or even [3] I'm sure if I drew a victorian moustache on him nobody would spot it - then it could go on the main page. Giano | talk 23:14, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

If in doubt, go with him. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

No this IS the face of the fearsome warrior and pugilist [4] one can see it etched into every wrinkle and crevace. Giano | talk 23:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

He is apparently the sickly sort, ill-suited for the manly arts, I fear. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:32, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

No, that's just a subtle ploy he uses to woo the more attractive editors! Giano | talk 23:35, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Bah humbug. This has to be the face that launched a thousand ships. Bishonen | ノート 23:43, 24 March 2006 (UTC).

Cheese

So have you started writing Swedish cheese articles yet? I note there are only two in the category thus far, you will be busy. The good news is that this time, no one will be made ill from your efforts. :D -KillerChihuahua^?!? 19:45, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I wrote both the articles in the category; yesterday, there was only one. So, yes, I've started, but yes, I need to get busy. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:49, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Bah, I knew that. I'm just being a pain. Sorry, I thought the humor would show.

I have requests:

• Adelost
• Bergquara
• Bondost
• Hable Crème Chantilly See discussion below. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• Herrgårdsost
• Kumminost
• Prästost (Prestost)
• Saaland Pfarr (this one sounds really interesting) [I cheated - it's a redir to Prästost —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 00:06, 16 March 2006 (UTC)]
• Svecia

Only I don't want articles so much as a cheese tray. :( I could never write these; they all make me want to snack. ok, I'll go away now. KillerChihuahua^?!? 19:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I forgive you for cheating, as you added the whiskey-soaked variant to the article. KillerChihuahua^?!? 00:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Look, it's already better than the Swedish article! Take that, Sweden! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 00:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Much better! OTOH, Swedish has all those cool umlauts, surely that counts for something? KillerChihuahua^?!? 00:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Yöu wänt Ümläuts? Yoü göt ümläuts! TCC (talk) (contribs) 00:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

How did you come up with this list, anyway? I'm asking because I'm looking into the intriguingly unswedish-sounding Hable Crème Chantilly, and so far the only non-trivial reference I've found is to a book from 1955, where it sounds more like a brand name than a type of cheese, if I had to guess. Not that it doesn't sound great from the info there. But unless if I can get more meat on it, I'm hesitant to try to start an article for what may be only a long-gone brand-name (or possibly export-only name, who knows?) of Swedish cheese. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 00:25, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

How do you think? From some online list of Cheeses by Country (aka a Trivial Source). I checked that one twice; Creme Chantilly is a French cheese, and Hable sounds vaguely Romantic... not Swedish. But according to several sources it is: This comes complete with awful page transitions and Portentious (or is that pretentious?) Music, it is in a cheese book (search for Hablé Crème Chantilly) where it merits its own section, complete with excerpt from a 1950 review in The New Yorker. That book is also available on Gutenberg. I confess I am somewhat disappointed you didn't take me up on the umlauts, I wanted an excuse to add this link[5] but now I have to add it with no excuse at all, which is lame. KillerChihuahua^?!? 00:47, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

New news on the cheese front: I was browsing at the Beaverton branch of Powell's books, and for some crazy reason they had on the shelves a used copy of a 1969 edition ("slightly revised" from the 1953 edition) of Cheese Varieties and Descriptions from the U.S. Department of Agriculture ("Agricultural Handbook No. 54"). Over 400 cheeses, governmentally described. What could be better? And considerable coverage of the Swedish cheeses, too. Herrgårdsost is live now, thanks to our friend the U.S. Department of Agriculture. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:18, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Karmafist's Block on March 24

I believe you have blocked Karmafist on March 24 for no reason. He used the proper welcome template as set by arbcom yet you still blocked him. It may have just been an oversight but you should acknowledge your mistake i think. Mike _{(T C)} 22:25, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

LOL didn't see the link in his signature, sorry my mistake!!! Mike _{(T C)} 22:28, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Dodoria

Hi Bunch, do you think I can make a fair use claim on the picture of Dodoria for the cultural influence section of durian? --BorgQueen 18:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

It's a close one. Strictly speaking, I believe you could make the case. I would lean toward not doing it, though, since (a) you're not making critical commentary on Dodoria in the article, so much as making critical commentary on the way Durians might be percieved in Japanese culture, and (b) in my opinion only, the value added by that image would not exceed the downside of including a non-free image. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:11, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your insight. My next question is, if I reproduce the image of Dodoria using Photoshop, etc, then will I be able to release my reproduction under GFDL, or, since the character itself is copyrighted, the reproduced image will also be under its copyright? --BorgQueen 19:18, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

IANAL. But I believe the creators of Dragonball Z would have a copyright claim over any recognizable image of any of their characters, yes. Certainly Penny Arcade once got slapped with a cease-orand-desist order for a comic strip featuring Strawberry Shortcake characters. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:26, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Cease and desist, you mean. So there is basically no way to illustrate a cartoon character in a visual way without clinging to fair use claim. Tragic. --BorgQueen 19:36, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Hable Crème Chantilly

Sorry, Bunch, but I can't read about that supposed Swedish cheese classic, up on your page, without weeping. You know how people add spam links to our articles, so as to get found by Google, and stuff? Well, this is just like that. Some small-time entrepreneur who made such a cheese for one season, or more likely imported it from France for one season, pulled a fast one on your Dept of Agriculture in 1955—sheesh!—and got them believing it was a well-known Swedish cheese, and it looks from your references like the thing has been pretending to exist ever since. Have you by chance heard of bibliographical "ghosts"? The redoubtabe English Short Title Catalogue is suspected of containing many ghosts, and from time to time, one is identified. A ghost is a book or edition that has been mistakenly believed to exist, from some erroneous reference to it somewhere, and once it's gotten into one of the big bibliographical resources, it'll keep pretending to exist, quite likely for hundreds of years, and it'll also spread to other bibliographies, until some researcher tries to actually look at a copy. Remember, several sources are no better than one source as long as they're all copying each other anyway. Trust me, that's some form of Cheese Ghost you've got there. "Hable Crème Chantilly", indeed. (Herrgård, now, that's a gooood cheese. I just bought a big ole wedge at the co-op. Mmmm, a cheese tray, yes indeed...) Bishonen talk 19:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC).

Well, that is the conclusion I had tentatively come to as well: though I should mention that my lovely USDA booklet most certainly does not mention Hable Crème Chantilly in any way, shape, or form, and also that I wasn't familiar with the term bibliographical "ghosts", though I have certainly noticed the phenomenon ever since writing for Wikipedia had started me reading things in that whole new way one does when researching. No, Hable is only in that weird cheese book that Project Gutenberg has put on the web, and if the book is to be believed, a puff-piece on it was written up on it in the May 6, 1950 The New Yorker. (Looking that up once more, I was amused to find that this very talk page here is now Google's top hit for "Hable Crème Chantilly".) I shall strike it from the list without further consideration. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead and create the article and put it in Category:Fictional Swedish cheeses or Category:Cheeses mistakenly believed to have been Swedish. u p p l a n d 20:48, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Category:Short-lived export brands of Swedish Cheese from the 1950s? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:53, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

ah well, it was to be expected. It had a cool name though. KillerChihuahua^?!? 20:57, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting my edits to Kelly's page. It means alot to me.

--Dissolve&Decay 04:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Drury Lane

Sorry, I wasn't really awake when I replied about Drury Lane early this morning—I totally missed that both the early playhouses, the 1663 and the 1674, were already there in the article. Are you going to do more about the early stuff, from your Nell Gwyn book? In case you're interested in an interior piccie, I've just added a more informative version of the Wren architectural section of (probably) the 1674 Theatre Royal to Restoration Spectacular. There are very few pics extant altogether of the playhouses of the time, and damn-all in the way of interiors. But I've always worried that readers probably couldn't understand the Wren section, and wouldn't have a clue as to where the "moveable scenery" was, so now, inspired by your work, I've photoshopped it, in I might add an extremely professional way, with arrows. (Yes they ARE arrows, don't be mean!) In case you prefer to do it over (oh, surely not!), the original sketch is here (and please add any version you may happen to produce to Restoration spectacular as well). Bishonen talk 16:51, 28 March 2006 (UTC).

I'm hoping to do more about the early theatres, though I'm not sure if the Gwyn book has much to say about the 1674 version... letsee, Nell was 24 and I think her acting career was done with at that point? (I haven't actually read much of the book yet, I'm afraid.) Your diagrammatic pic is a very nice thing, and yes, OK, I may just tweak those arrows -- they are arrows, not Viking runes? -- a bit :-) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Article: Scissors

In the article Scissors, I have introduced the art of making scissors.

Sometimes a description of a tangible thing (scissors, cars ..) can benefit of some knowledge about how it has been made.

The article: Automobile, has description of some cars, history, inventors and also about how the manufacturing has been developed. Henry Ford actually devised a completely new type of manufacturing. Do we have anything new in making scissors ?

In 1978 Fiskars Corporation, Finland, has built a scissors factory in Wausau, Wisconsin. What do you know about it? Is it the leading scissors maker in US? In the world?

If you find my edit acceptable as idea, perhaps you or someone could be so kind and correct/improve the text, as English is not my first language.

Best regards, Comet27 20:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Re Giano's talk page

The assumption I have a "vendetta" is precisely why people throw their hands up in disgust and walk away from Wikipedia. Your second reading is the one intended. PedanticallySpeaking 16:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Then I got it right :-) All is well. If I offended, I apologize. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:12, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Apology accepted. It's just that so many users shoot first and ask questions later and tend to assume the worst in people. Precisely the offense that got Carnildo deadmin'd. What sort of articles are you working on? PedanticallySpeaking 16:23, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Lately I've been working on a natural pairing of topics: Swedish cheeses and Restoration playhouses. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll bite. What's the connection? ++Lar: t/c 16:32, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

And me without a punchline. Why is a raven like a writing-desk? (There's no connection at all.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Nonsense. It originally had no answer, and now has at least six (post-book.) I like Lloyd's answer best: Because Poe wrote on both. KillerChihuahua^?!? 16:39, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Poe wrote on Swedish cheese? Didn't the pen's nib tend to sink into the curd? :-0 —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:45, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Why is a goldfish like a laser? ... Because neither can whistle --Mycroft Holmes, 2075. Thanks for clearing that up, I feel MUCH better now. ++Lar: t/c 16:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

How dare you have a discussion about my talk page without being being present, that may be acceptable manners in Idaho BoG, but it is not where I come from. I have replied to your rudeness to PS on my talk page - what must he be thinking of you!!! Giano | talk 18:44, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject Oregon

Wikiproject Oregon is now up and running! I encourge you to join at WP:WPOR. PDXblazers 21:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Re:Congratulations

Thank you, my friend. I have a strange belief, but I figured i'd share it with you. I believe that "I", the core of my being, is basically just buffered into a greater "I" by my experiences, successes, failures, ideas, and perhaps more importantly, people i've met along the way. For better or for worse, despite any agreements or disagreements we may have had in the past, part of you won last night too when I won.

At least, that's what I belief. Eh, it's a good way to take credit for other people's stuff, but i'm glad to share credit if it helps make things easier. Hopefully I can return fully to Wikipedia someday. Right now it's little more than Myspace to me. Karmafist ^{Save Wikipedia} 13:14, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Plano!

Hey, Bunchofgrapes! I noticed your note on Bishonen's talk page. Did you go to school in Plano or just spend some time there? Regardless, think you might be qualified to/interested in reviewing the PSHS article for its Wikipedia:Peer review/Plano Senior High School/archive1? Ha, if not, don't worry about it. I just figured I'd ask! Thanks. — Scm83x ^{hook 'em} 21:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, it can't hurt to ask. No! :-) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry your stay in Plano was so unhappy! Thanks anyway. — Scm83x ^{hook 'em} 21:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• What was wrong with Plano? - it looks a perfectly pleasant enough (in an American sort of way) to me Giano | talk 22:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

• I'm not suited for living in Texas. I need an atmosphere with fir trees, moisture, and people who don't go to church. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

• You need Stockholm? It's as damp as Andrée's woollens and full of great big empty churches. Lovely. Fir trees galore. Bishonen | börk börk börk 04:58, 3 April 2006 (UTC).

59°N might be pushing it. Perhaps not. Does everybody speak English as well as you, Bishonen? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 14:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Why soitanly. Börk börk börk. Bishonen | börk börk börk 15:44, 3 April 2006 (UTC).

You mean nyuk nyuk nyuk. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:46, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Although, according to Swedish Chef, you mean "Børk! Børk! Børk!" —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:18, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Casu marzu

It is amusing to see people refusing to believe it. But then, perhaps I am too gullible? :-D --BorgQueen 22:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, my first couple days editing that article were all about trying to figure out if it were a hoax or not. If Trofimov's article were all there was to go on, I don't think I'd believe it. The supporting evidence beyond that is pretty strong, however. It's also interesting to note that I've seen sources from 100 years ago (maybe it was one of those New American Encyclopedias or something, I can't remember now) that discuss how some gourmets insist that all the best cheese is worm-infested, although if I recall, the article supposed this was because the cheese fly gravitated to the best cheeses, not that its presence made the cheese good. But my point is that not so long ago, finding maggots in one's cheese or bacon was not so unusual and it didn't necessarilly mean the food would be thrown out, either. Times have changed, but some old things stick around in small pockets here and there for a long while. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:10, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Aaaargh

Too many templates! Thanks for this. Sam Korn ^(smoddy) 23:01, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

No biggie, and, yes, I had to go over to WP:SEMI to look up the name of the template, so, yes, there are too many templates. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:06, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Immortal Rich

Well, you don't have to insult him. Ok, if it's Christopher Rich, you do, but if it's John Rich, you don't. I'm beginning to be sympathetic to him, at least a little. He was, no doubt, one of the forces of vulgarizing the theater, but he was more open minded than some of the others, and he kept repertoir plays going, when Drury Lane might not have. At Covent Garden, he was the guy who put on The Beggar's Opera, although he was also the origin of Harlequin plays in England. I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that he's an ambivalent figure rather than a clear cut force of Dulness. (Oh, and if you want to insult John Rich, you can just explain and repeat the lines found in The Dunciad. However, you're probably looking for Christopher, and then your source will probably need to be Cibber.) Geogre 11:56, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and for what happened in the early 18th, see both Colley Cibber, which I know you're already looking at, and Robert Wilks and John Rich (producer) (although that one was written when I was still trying to figure this stuff out and is a bit of a mess). Geogre 12:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's Christopher, hated by all. Although there's a book, Christopher Rich of Drury Lane, that from Amazon's description seems more sympathetic than most, even going so far as to say he is "credited for his many innovations relating to the financial side of the theatre". Which sounds like a backhanded compliment if I ever heard one. Of course, whatever I say about Rich in the Drury Lane article can't really be more than a sentence or two long -- it's a long 350 years to get through. Speaking of though, do you (or anybody else reading in) happen to have come across a clear description of what happened at the end of Rich's tenure, ie the revocation of the patent, etc? I've been a bit overwhelmed by the turmoil 1709-1714. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 14:50, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The end of Christopher's? Bishonen would know. I do know that 1715 is quite, quite important in that that's when Richard Steele gets involved (with the Hanoverians coming to the throne and the Whig party getting to be all that and the Tories not only out of favor but suspected of treason), and he gets Drury Lane a new patent. This allows them to no longer apply for licenses for their plays -- a big, big deal. The patent became an immensely profitable commodity. That, however, is after Cibber and the "triumvirate" have taken over, after their rebellion to Haymarket and return, and it's after that that John Rich takes himself and his people to Covent Garden to set up a rival house. It's a big messy, though, and no, I'm not clear in my own head about it. Geogre 15:38, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I just recalled that 1709-11 is covered in detail in the online sections of the London Stage draft. [6] (Too much detail for my little brain, perhaps. And of course it cuts out well before the restoration of the patent.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:41, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

End..? But, this time I'm not kidding, it's the 1694—96 season that's interesting, re Christopher! When Betterton, who had been loyal to management for so long, turned on him, boy, did he ever turn. See The Relapse. No, I don't know from the end of Rich's tenure off hand, but it wasn't to do with 1715 — Chris died in 1714. Clear descriptions of Drury Lane management in the early 18th c is a kind of contradiction in terms anyway, they can't be clear because the situation never is clear, as Colley carefully insinuates himself and out-sinuates all rivals. How about taking a look at the web version of Cibber's Apology, linked as a reference in Colley Cibber? It's a fine edition although it's old, with explanatory notes and overviews by the careful editor. Because of the long descriptive chapter headings, it's easier to find your way around than you might think. Yes, I think the London Stage is too detailed for your purpose, indeed. This edition of the Apology is probably more useful. Bunchy, what I came over for, I just put a kind of proposition on Ganymead's page, could you take a look also, please? Bishonen | Speak, speak, I charge thee, speak! 16:58, 4 April 2006 (UTC).

Your proposition seems to involve me knowing something, anything, about Shakespeare, in America or elsewhere, in the 20th century. You had might as well ask me about Pokemon; I know as much. But I do appreciate it as a pointer to an article that gives me context regarding Shakespearean performace over the centuries, especially during Garrick's reign over Drury Lane. (And I think I understand your frustration at having such a gem of an article stand incomplete.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:10, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

LOL, no, it only involves you finding stuff out about Shakey in the US/in the 20th c. And you can't do your Drury Lane project without researching ole Shakey a bit, can you, now? And anyway, I bet you know far more about him than I knew about Andrée a month ago. And nice compliments always welcome! <cough>more!<cough> Thank you! Bishonen | Speak, speak, I charge thee, speak! 17:20, 4 April 2006 (UTC).

Scissors // User talk:Comet27

Hello, I have a question on User talk:Comet27

Re: I'm With You

Yes, I did check the edit history to see whether the deletion of the talk page was understandable or not, but what I fail to intrepert is why the correct version had been removed over the inaccurate. —Eternal Equinox | talk 20:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

By the way, according to your talk archives, you can't get 2005 out of your head. —Eternal Equinox | talk 20:10, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Oops. I have no idea... I just wasn't sure if you had access to that info in the deletion log, so I thought I'd pass it on. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:15, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I did have access, but thanks nonetheless. —Eternal Equinox | talk 20:25, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Chess

You want to call it a game and draw? I don't see us going much of anywhere there except a long endgame and little likelihood of checkmate. —BorgHunter ^ubx (talk) 22:44, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I think I'd like to see a few more pawns off the board before calling it. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:53, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

It was definitely very drawish after 25...Re4; after 26 c5, the endgame would have provided each side only minor winning chances, I think. I'm fairly certain that, in view of 26 d5??, and upon my call to Evanston, the NMS designation will have to be taken away, if only in order that the reputations of other NM Scholars aren't sullied by extension. :) Joe 23:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Chess without both sides blundering left and right is no fun at all. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:12, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

That's certainly true. White would be altogether busted for his having all of his pawns on dark squares; I'll watch the rest of the game with interest (Borg better make up some ground fast; I laid $200 on him with my bookie and haven't the money to cover my loss). Joe 23:32, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

White notices with trepidition that Black's only piece capable of doing any damage is a white bishop. (And give me a break, I rarely get the chance to play; I'm really rusty. :-P) —BorgHunter ^ubx (talk) 04:04, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Also, for what it's worth, immediately after hitting save page on 26. d5, I started cursing at the monitor for my abject stupidity. But hey, it's just a game. :-P —BorgHunter ^ubx (talk) 04:07, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

For a long time I doubted that any correspondence game could ever end but in a draw; after all, with sufficient time (even at at time control of one move per day), I imagined, one should always see the course of perfect play (or near-perfect, sufficient to prevent his/her opponent from developing a winning position). Then I played a few correspondence games, and I found that the "espirit d'éscalier" (with, of course, a much greater thinking period) of which you write happens often; one can study a position for hours and only appreciate the flaw in a move immediately upon his/her making it. There are, contrariwise, the correspondence games one loses without having played a facially horrific move; these games one understands in OTB chess, but when one has, say, an hour during which to study a move, it seems odd that one could, six or eight times in a game, make moves that are just positionally inferior enough to provide the opponent with an ultimately winning edge. But, as you say, it's just a game, albeit a darn confounding one... Joe 04:33, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Don't feel bad, BH, dropping the exchange there a while back, even with the pawns for compensation, had me depressed for a day. (Or maybe that's the terrible terrible feeling of guilt I'm feeling for enjoying so much using Wikipedia for something so nonencyclopedic.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:04, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for being watchful of my user page. Earlier today I spent some time cutting down the backlog at CSD. It's almost inevitable that something from there would stick to my shoe and follow me back to my page. It never ceases to amaze me that such people continue to work hard, very hard at trying to vandalize a user page and get "revenge," when they could much more easily write sensible articles and follow the guidelines. They have the energy for getting blocked every few minutes, but not for writing actual articles. I just wish they'd find a nearby wall to headbutt, as the results will be the same, and crashing a wall with their heads is much more efficient. Nor do they have much to fear, as they appear to already have significant brain damage. Geogre 02:27, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

No problem on the reverts. I have to take issue with your claim that parties that do that could easily write sensible articles. They should just stick with the wall plan. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:33, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry!

Sorry, I was just fooling around. I can assure you it won't happen again---thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sanscartier (talk • contribs) 03:07, April 8, 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:09, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Botryoidal

I'd made a Botryoidal (talk · contribs) a couple of months ago, when I'd a number of Templates in the Holding Cell for replacement, and was blocked from proceeding by a couple of obstructionist administrators that disagreed with the TfD result. As Botryoidal means "like a bunch of grapes", I was wondering whether you'd like a nice spare user name? I can always make another someday in the future at need. (Watching here for answer).

--William Allen Simpson 02:09, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Gee that's a new word for me, I'll have to make use of that somewhere. But as for your kind offer to get saddled with inherit the username of a rouge bot of some sort... um, no ;-) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:13, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

It's a fine word, but it isn't red (rouge). I'd only been able to use it one day (225 edits), and haven't had another opportunity. Just thought it was fitting for you. Well, it will be sitting around, for future use....

--William Allen Simpson 03:19, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Re.:DreamGuy's vandalised user page

His page has a LOT of \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\s all over the place, and his cat is messed up as well. Martial Law 04:36, 10 April 2006 (UTC) o

You may be having some sort of server glitch or something. Or maybe I am. From what I can tell, the previous version of his page had those problems; the current one does not. There are some issues with server clocks being out of synch after the restart; such issues might be causing you to see an older version of the page. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:38, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to log out and clean up my end, then log back in. The older userpage has a anon designation on it as well. Martial Law 04:42, 10 April 2006 (UTC) :)

I'm back in. Still investigating. Was there any thunderstorms in the Florida area ? Where I'm at, the area had experienced a tornado outbreak. I suspect that a lightning strike may have caused Wikipedia to go offline, and blow said breaker - IF there were any thunderstorms in the area. Martial Law 04:50, 10 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Seen the preliminary report on why Wikipedia failed. It appearantly was some kind of glitch, and you caught it. Martial Law 06:51, 10 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Lacy(?) and Drury Lane

In working on David Garrick, I'm using the marvelous 1911 Brittanica article (among others). According to the article, in 1747, when Fleetwood's patent for management expired, Garrick and someone (identified only as "Lacy") took over the theatre. Any idea who this Lacy person might be? *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 17:51, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Britannica's Guide to Shakespeare here says "James Lacy, a failed actor with a flair for the entertainment trade, who had been stage manager at Covent Garden." —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:56, 10 April 2006 (UTC)