User talk:Bunchofgrapes/Archive 10

This is an archive. If you edit it, the terrorists have already won.

Stop malingering immediately!

What's wrong with you? I've not the time to check your edits to find out (in a pseudosmart hotel with only dial up - and pay extortionately by the second!) What have you been doing? What have you caught? - don't edit any of my pages in case it is contagious. I hate people being ill - it's all probably psychsmasnatic (or whatever the word is) just pull yourself together. Speaking of other things Dame Nellie Melba too had a penchant for a grand farewell, followed by a rapturously received return. Anyhow I can't stop here talking to you - I've just realised it is cheaper in this hell hole to watch the porn channel than use the internet) - just take a pill or something. - must go there is a fascinatingly titled film just starting - the one that finished half an hour ago was terrible and anatomically impossible. I do so love being in you beautiful country, think I may organize a wikimeet! Giano | talk 22:28, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Giano is absolutely correct. How could you do this to us? Improve immediately, you are much missed! KillerChihuahua^?!? 14:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks KC. Gee, maybe I just took a day off to get some attention :-) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

• Perhaps BoG has been hospitalised? I've a friend, Cenzo (I have changed the name to protect the innocent) who went into hospital for a vasectomy, except they gave him a plastic knee instead, he received massive compensation payout but had to sign a confidentiality clause - which is confusing for his friends who wonder why Mario has a permanent limp because of a vasectomy - anyway to cut a long story short, his wife then had a baby (he was never brave enough to return for the vasectomy - and she is an Italian Catholic) but (....and here is the interesting thing) the baby had a funny knee too when it was born - these things cannot be explained. Anyhow as I was saying don't worry BoG I'm sure hospitals are fine in Idaho......although I did know someone once in Maine....no forget it, I'm sure you will be fine, it's only a small routine surgery they do hundreds every day just relax. If I was having that surgery though I wouldn't have announced it on wikipedia though - you Americans are so forthright about thee things Giano | talk 15:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

• No, no, no hospitalization, certainly -- I would have bragged much more extensively about that. My main symptom was exhaustion, and when I announced Friday morning that I would be staying home from work, my wife -- by way of seeing if I was serious, I think -- declared that if I did, I should stay off the computer too. Which sounded all right to me at the time. Naturally, by about five that evening I was suffering the DTs and other addiction-withdrawal symptoms, but I fought through it... (Amazing story by the way Giano! I don't believe a word!) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

• Que? My story is completely true. You ever been in a Palermo hospital? No I thought not. If plastic knee is operation of the day - then you get a plastic knee. You want something sophisticated like a vasectomy then best go to Marseille. Anyhow why you in denial, nothing to be ashamed of - simple little snip snip (so I'm told)- Exhaustion I bet you exhausted - your wife ban you the computer? Never let a woman take control - it's like a sheep dog with blood, once tasted they never loose the craving for it, only answer is to get another one - I'm going to write a new page on marital guidance, remember secret of happy marriage is be a man take charge - women, they like that just don't like to admit it Giano | talk 20:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

• There are so many individual good pieces of advice in that paragraph that I am at a loss as to which one to follow first. I suppose I will content myself with staying out of Palermo hospitals for the moment. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

That was fabulous... I am still chuckling. I also, think I will not be planning a visit to Palermo, at least not for surgery. KillerChihuahua^?!? 21:26, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

You'll go for the granita; you'll stay for the plastic knees. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:32, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

You have an obsession with food, perhpapd you eat too much and that why you exhausted, and your wife make you have surgery. Although if you are exhausted why do you need to have that done - I am lost here. Why not have your stomach stapled? I can get you a good price in Siracusa on a Wednesday? Giano | talk 21:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't do it, I hear Wednesday is sex-change-operation day. KillerChihuahua^?!? 21:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

That is a cruel thing to say to a man recovering from such a delicate condition! Giano | talk 21:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

You'll be delighted to know that my first read editing in days was to improve the granita article somewhat. Obsessed with food! Pshhh! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:29, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

IG Farben Building FAC

Hello, I posted the IG Farben Building on the FAC on the 17th July. It currently has a support consensus, but only from 4 people. I'd be more comfortable with a stronger consensus and was wondering if you might be prepared to comment on the article? Many thanks. --Mcginnly 11:12, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Shenanigans

Have you been following the latest? [1][2] [3]. Is the AOL vandalism on RFA just a coincidence? This page archives similar AOL IP's that Eddie used. Remember what happened on RFA with Eddie's other accounts? Houston, we have a problem. —Viriditas | Talk 23:38, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Suggestions? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:50, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Update: User:YankeeFan2006 edits sock puppet page of User:Liberian Ace Ventura [[4]], which in turn is part of Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of WatchtowerJihad, also edited by 64.12.117.8 (talk · contribs) [5] [6], (Eddie's User:Third_Rail account used 64.12.117.9). Latest RFA's: on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Williamborg User:YankeeFan2006 votes support, then User:64.12.116.130 forges a sig for another user. Both users did the same thing on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Yanksox; a support vote as YankeeFan2006 [7], followed by a forged support by User:64.12.116.134. 64.12.116.130 has an interest in Unalive Vehicles (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends), while User:64.12.116.134 is interested in the Pink Line (Chicago Transit Authority). User:EddieSegoura has also edited from User:64.12.116.135 in the past. User:Naconkantari seems to be the point person for dealing with the AOL RFA vandalism, and it's far more extensive than just these two incidents. There are a number of unanswered questions here, but one wonders why YankeeFan2006 would want to be associated with this mess. It doesn't make sense...unless... —Viriditas | Talk 01:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Here we go, again: [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16]. I think it's time to put an end to this. All of Eddie's accounts need to be blocked. I can understand one coincidence, maybe two, but not three. It's obviously him. I'm contacting User:Naconkantari. [17] —Viriditas | Talk 10:03, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not convinced the AOL edits here and there give me any more reason to believe YankeesFan is Eddie, but the history of ERcheck's RfA is pretty indicting: he votes twice (a typical Eddie move right there) and not too long after each vote, we see fraudulant voting from AOL accounts and others as well. Let's see what Naconkantari thinks. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 14:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Again, see the links above for the history of Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Williamborg and Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Yanksox, in addition to the links for Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/ERcheck That's three RfA's in a row where one vote was cast by YankeesFan followed by the AOL forger. On second thought, don't see above, I'll repost it right here:

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ERcheck

1. (cur) (last) 08:54, 25 July 2006 64.12.116.66 (Talk) (→ERcheck - s)
2. (cur) (last) 08:47, 25 July 2006 YankeeFan2006 (Talk | contribs) (support)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Williamborg

1. (cur) (last) 05:25, 23 July 2006 64.12.116.130 (Talk) (→Williamborg - s)
2. (cur) (last) 05:12, 23 July 2006 YankeeFan2006 (Talk | contribs) (→Williamborg - s)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Yanksox

1. (cur) (last) 05:28, 23 July 2006 64.12.116.134 (Talk) (s)
2. (cur) (last) 05:14, 23 July 2006 YankeeFan2006 (Talk | contribs) (→Yanksox)
3. (cur) (last) 05:14, 23 July 2006 YankeeFan2006 (Talk | contribs) (support)

—Viriditas | Talk 02:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not up to speed about the sockpuppetry, but I have been reverting this vandalism for months. This user is also User:Tummellll and most likely User:Vitriouxc, who apparently "signed up for the polls"and edits from AOL. I've got a few more diffs here that may need to be looked at. Naconkantari 21:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. I'm starting to feel caught up in a Foucalt's Pendulum style web of paranoia and belief, where EdiieSegoura with his exicornts, the Torchwood vandal, and even those parts of WoW executed by User:Sunfazer are all the same guy. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Le plan? O horror, the Diabolicals! See for yourself! —Viriditas | Talk 02:35, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

• 
  The "immortal" Count of St Germain

LOLOL! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:37, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

OK. With what percentage of certainly do you believe YankeesFan2006 is EddieSegoura? I still can't get beyond "pretty likely", and since blocking him won't stop this other vandalism in any case I am hesitant to take the chance that I'm wrong. (I don't think the fact that he's edited every RfA that has been vandalized recently is compelling enough evidence that he is the vandalizer -- they've both edited every recent RfA, in fact... it doesn't show causality.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Right, but the coincidence of consecutive edits two days apart (23rd and 25th, see above) is interesting. Not only that, YankeesFan2006's previous account User:Can't sleep, Yankees will beat Red Sox, did the same thing on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zered Bassett, except in reverse, posting from 152.163.101.9 before using his account. In case you didn't catch that the first time, it's the same AOL account that he used to edit Talk:Crossover (rail). As you can imagine, I could go on like this ad infinitum. As for whether or not YankeesFan2006 is Eddie, I'm 99% sure. What I don't understand is why he is engaging in RfA vandalism, but if you give it a little thought, it becomes quite obvious. Adminship was the one thing Eddie wanted more than anything else, and he claimed to leave the project because he wasn't qualified for it. The evidence is pretty overwhelming. —Viriditas | Talk 03:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

All right, I've been known to be a little too self-doubting in this area before. I will block him as a sock. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Obviously, that won't solve anything, so I'm not asking you to do anything. But something needs to be done about the RfA vandalism. This might be a stupid question, but why aren't all RfA's semi-protected to prevent anon edits? —Viriditas | Talk 03:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's done anyway. The semi-protection thing: Idealism, mostly :-) It's certainly been brought up before, and shot down as discouraging the very occasional valid edit from a new user or anon. (To be fair, there are a few die-hard anons in good standing whose comments do deserve to be heard at an RfA.) I have no real idea if the latest spate of vandalism is bad enough or widely-enough noticed to tip the scales toward more semi-protection. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

64.12.117.10, what a huge surprise! —Viriditas | Talk 04:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Case closed: The following links demonstrate that it is highly likely that the current RfA vandal is User:EddieSegoura: [18], [19], [20], [21], 69.112.54.11 (talk · contribs) and especially 205.188.117.13 (talk · contribs) [22] and 152.163.101.13 (talk · contribs) who posted the same RfA vandalism on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Grendelkhan [23]. The most interesting thing about 152.163.101.13, is this spam message [24] which is not only identical to other spam messages posted by the RfA vandal, but just so happens to be a Yankee fan site. —Viriditas | Talk 11:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Another sock for you: User:Yankeefan2006... Sarah Ewart (Talk) 09:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 14:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The Muffin MAN

The Muffin Man is my Friend

oHK, BUT WHAT DO YOU DEFINE as vandalism and non vandilism?

Um....when am I going to be able to edit things again?

I was going to edit somethings on the Dragon quest 8 page, and it says that I can't because my IP adress is the same as some guy who's banned. When am I going to be able to edit pages again?

Apologies

Sorry about the voting, I'm quite incensed this ridiculous spat is vexing good faith editors to the point of leaving. I'll apologies to Fred Dibner too.--Mcginnly | Natter 23:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

You and I both knew that would happen, which is why I didn't want to press you to do anything. I'm sorry about this. If it helps, archive the above discussion so you won't have to be reminded of this nonsense. In other news, I discovered User:FeedThePigeons today, another Eddie sock that was used to attack admin Pilotguy. I've just put both your user and talk pages on my watchlist, just in case. Another stupid question: I notice that the en wiktionary has cracked down on AOL proxies. Will Wikipedia be doing the same thing? —Viriditas | Talk 02:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Viriditas has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Help please!

Hi, I recently created the article Comparison of Windows and Mac OS X. As you can see from the original copy (actually the second was the original, the first was me hitting save page instead of show preview), that I had worked long and hard on opening the article.

A day after opening, user Alistair McMillan proposed it for deletion. I feel this is rather outrageous, especially because comparing Windows and Mac OS X is a much more widely-regarded topic then a Comparison of Windows and Linux... Either way, the article has had a rocky beginning, but with proper editations I'm sure it could be a great one.

I also have recieved much shunning from Mr. McMillan, for he seemed to sort of treat me as a less intelligent individual, being extremely snobbish toward myself (I can often make mistakes such as forgetting to sign), and it seems his judgement is based on a bias and shouldnt be well noted.

I am only 14, and do much work throughout the summer: so I cannot spend a long time on protecting/enhancing my articles; so I'd be very happy to see some help & support.

Thanks alot,

--Alegoo92 03:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Oh, okay. I was not aware of this. (I simply picked random ones from the List of Adminstrators page. --Alegoo92 04:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC) Thanks

New Discovery Re: Eternal Equinox

I have just discovered that the earliest link between Eternal Equinox and Hollow Wilerding is this edit on January 31, EE's 23rd edit overall, which occurred just three days after the EE account was created. Editor88 06:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Nice to hear from you

That's it, really. I'm sure we'll meet often on Wikipedia. As for me, I'm very happy not to be an administrator, but I admire those who are administrators -- and survive. Andrew Dalby 17:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

And have you tasted Casu marzu? I am trying to imagine it, and how it would go with Cannonau, but it seems I shall have to go to Sardinia to verify my guess. Andrew Dalby

If you ever do, I beg you to get a photo! No, I haven't had the dubious pleasure of tasting it, either. I think I like my dairy products manipulated only by those organisms too small for me to see. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 18:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi, Bunch, thanks for your support on the EE workshop page, especially for pointing out that my restoration of a comment on EE's page was accidental. How Fred even managed to see the one diff and not the next one along in the history is a mystery. Why ruin a good story by checking, though? Or indeed by reading the workshop page--did you see that my malicious restoration now appears as a proposed "fact" under "findings of fact" on the proposed decisions page? Perhaps Fred would like to have a shot at containing the ravages of the "sensitive user" himself come autumn, because I sure won't bother, and I wouldn't advise you to, either. Btw it strikes me that if they fuck with Giano and me enough to make us leave, it'll actually be a boon for the production rate of new FAs. The greater ease with which HW's pages will slide through the system should more than make up for the absence of any more by G or me. Admittedly they'll all be written by Hollow Wilerding, but what the hell, an FA is an FA. Bishonen | talk 19:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC).

Well. I guess there's a reason we have multiple ArbCom members, and there's a trade-off between the transparency of their deliberations and the likelihood of people getting upset if they hit upon incorrect assertions during their course. And I hope very, very much you and Giano don't leave. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

RFC

I had corresponded with Zscout prior to opening the RFC and we both agreed that it was the best forum for the discussion. The problem with AN/I is that it is impossible to find anything weeks or months after the discussion takes place because of the editing volume. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 20:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured that part out about two seconds too late :-) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Whether or not it is safe and sane is of course another question. Or two, perhaps. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 20:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Juniper berry

(Moved to Talk:Juniper berry) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

On 28 July, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Juniper berry, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for the contribution! -- Samir धर्म 04:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I see we both got a mention (anonymous, naturally) in Did you know? today! You did juniper berry, I did Colóquios dos simples e drogas da India. Andrew Dalby 11:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I was checking that very point last night. The chapter on pepper does include a fourth item, canarim, and I wondered if it was a name for capsicum, but it isn't. It's some local item -- a bark I think -- on which I need to check further. So far as I can see, and disappointingly, Garcia doesn't mention capsicum at all. Thanks for the hint, incidentally -- I have now disambiguated the pepper link. Andrew Dalby 14:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The symmetry was not coincidental :) -- Samir धर्म 19:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

A higher power at work :-) Thanks, Samir! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Flesh eating bug

You have to be careful or this (supposedly) rare bacteria will literally eat your body. Bug still preventing me from logging on @ this time. I've been eating jalapenos and other hot peppers, incl. "chili-petines" ( Chill ' ee Pet ' teens) and garlic for years, and never been ill. You should try this. Is there a article concerning the Flesh eating bacteria in Wikipedia ? This thing causes rapid gangrene, hence the name "Flesh eating bacteria" , the more common name "The Flesh Eating Bug". Martial Law 15:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Whew, for a moment there I thought flesh-eating bacteria were preventing you from logging on! OK, now that I've got that straight (I now understand that it is the garlic and jalapenos preventing it ;-), you can see from your own link there that we do have an article... though I dare say it is a surprisingly bad one for such a hot-button topic. As an aside, do you ever worry that your use of the satellite radio rig will single you out to the grays? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 18:38, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Good one.

Where I'm at now, people shoot at things like that.

I have a book, called The Uninvited, written by author and Mi-5 or Mi-6 agent, Nick Pope. On one page of it, he alleges that the National Enquirer has placed a $1M bounty to get a UFO, alien matter. A previous book he had written, is called Open Skies, Closed Minds. That is about society's reaction to UFOs, aliens. The latter is about alien abductions, incl. how they're done from a male and female perspective, what the aliens may be, incl. demons, time travellers, the old "Men from Mars", the military abducting people, aliens as people think of aliens, etc.

Speaking of aliens, check the Sci-Fi Channel and see a movie called Alien Abductions. This could be a movie AND/OR a documentary, similar to The Legend of Boggy Creek. The Sci-Fi Channel has investigated these matters, incl. the Roswell UFO Incident, the Bermuda Triangle. On the UFO Casebook site, I have seen reports of the people and the military shooting at and even, in a military case, killing aliens. The Kelly Hopkinsville UFO/Alien Incident, already mentioned in Wikipedia, is also there.

Hope you feel better. Sure wish they can straighten out the Satellite I.P. bug that is not allowing me to log in. Martial Law 16:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Removing warning from Geogre's talk page

The talk page in question was a now-closed AfD. Referring to other editors as "feeble" is unacceptable and clearly a personal attack. It is a wholly appropriate use of his talk page to request that he desist from such personal attacks in the future. I am sure you know it is inappropriate to remove such warnings even from another user's talk page.--Nicodemus75 21:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

• You placed the comment on my user page, not my talk page, and you really ought not to log out for the purpose, either. Further, I do not wish to argue with the feeble in general. I had not referred to any individual by that term. The person I actually intended was far down the page -- the one who wished to start an argument over the virtues of the wealthy. I had meant, instead, merely that I will not get into arguments in general, much less on a particular AfD, except that this issue of continually insulting and hectoring those who vote to delete any school article, regardless of content, is worth breaking my own rules for. It is extremely deleterious to have such attempts to beat up nominators, to target them, to tar them with some term of imagined insult like "deletionist," to suggest that there is a user profile, etc. It turns the discussion from the article to the person, and that is precisely what we must not do. It is the heart of the NPA "policy" that we should not be talking about character, but about articles and information. I have gone to WP:AN/I and requested any and all uninvolved parties to examine my comments and welcome their input. Geogre 21:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

My mistake, his user page appeared to be the talk page.--Nicodemus75 21:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Bit of IP vandalism

Sprotected your user page. Hope it's ok. -- Samir धर्म 22:38, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure, might as well. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Small problem needs to be fixed. —Viriditas | Talk 00:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Sneaky. —Viriditas | Talk 03:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, for Pete's... nice catch. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Phaedriel RfA Sockpuppet

I doubt we'll be able to get a checkuser though; I don't think it'll be conclusive enough. Plus, Phaedriel doesn't seem to mind it ^_^ — Deckiller 22:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Yup. Thewolfstar's wise to the way of Open Proxies, so checkuser wouldn't be of much use. Probably not worth sweating about. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Are you guys sure? Open proxies are automatic indefinite blocks, so at least it's worth uncovering each of them that we can. Geogre 03:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I can't speak for Deckiller; speaking for myself, I am never sure about anything. Are they even doing Checkusers now, though? Is the labor strike over? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah, I don't know if there's anywhere near enough evidence. — Deckiller 04:37, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Dude, I didn't even know there was a strike. Why wasn't I informed? I want to go on strike, too! (What are we striking for?) (No, never mind: Solidarity forever!) (Down with the scabs!) (Uh, who are the scabs this time?) Please tell me this isn't related to the RFAR nonsense (one arbcommer trying to block another). That junk shouldn't be allowed to happen until everyone who cares about Wikipedia is issued an air sickness bag. Geogre 04:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_checkuser#Temporary_hiatus describes the tail end of the situation, kind of... although not what instigated it: someone made an RFCU. After a day, started getting mad it wasn't being handled quickly. Complained a little more in the request. Made comments which were at least taken to be and may actually have been abusive toward the Checkusers. Got blocked for 24 hours by said checkusers, for disruption. Action contensted on AN/I. Essjay swears off Checkusering. Mackenson does the same at least temporarily after some AMA thing is opened. He now appears to be back at it with a "one-strike" policy in effect, ie, he's stopping the next time he senses abuse. Morale of the story: Checkusering is apparently no fun at all and nobody wants to do it or can stand doing it long.

RFAR - one arbcommer trying to block another? Uh... I've somehow missed that! Sounds dramatic. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:43, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I get it. Mackenson is saying that he'll go back to it but announce in a header that he'll do nothing with anything that sounds insulting. Fair enough, if you ask me. It's volunteer work, dammit.

The, um, other thing.... Forget I said anything. See, I'm right now worried that one of our comrades is being a little too agitated in dealing with a certain AC member. That AC member had wanted to sanction another AC member for "abuse of administrator's tools," of all things, too. That has gone over like a lead-filled snail, as you can imagine, so the AC member who wanted to block the other, and who has made a motion that many of us disagree with on an RFAR that we all are watching, may well be feeling a bit persecuted. That's why I don't want this associate of ours to go getting mad and making things worse.

And if you can follow all that, award yourself a Ph.D. in hermetism. Geogre 04:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, those were some pretty broad hints. I see. Have you ever heard my proposal that we disallow all articles on topics having to do with any area of land falling between Italy and India? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:06, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with that proposal. The land ought to be between Italy and China and then Japan to Australia, Australia to Peru. Geogre 14:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Footnotes

Hi Grapes - the MoS there is only a guide, not a requirement, which is fortunate, as (whatever the Chicago people say) it is very bad grammar - a sentence should always end with a punctuation mark. If the reference is placed after the punctuation, it becomes part of the next sentence, leaving such strange statements as (from the Juniper berry's history) "6 Such species have been used not just as a seasoning ...", when of course there shouldn't be six such species being specified. Personally, I'd like to get that aspect of the MoS changed, but so many people are so strongly wedded to that weird Chicago cr@p that I fear it will be impossible to get it corrected. So it is one of those cases where I feel entitled to (and justified in) Ignoring the rules ;-). Actually, to be honest, I've never liked those <ref> inserts at all, they're horribly complicated and must be very offputting to wiki-newbies (after all, the whole point of wiki formatting was to make it easier than html - why is it getting more complicated??), I much prefer (and when doing articles on my own always use) old-style printed sci journal citation style à la (Bloggs 1990), then with the ref put in simply at the end in alphabetical order, as:

• Bloggs, J. (1990). Article Title. Journal 1: 2-3.
  

Much easier to edit!! - MPF 17:45, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I have absolutely nothing against the sci journal citation style, except that in an article as citation-filled as juniper berry is right now, too much of the rendered article text would be the citations. (By the way, when you do one of those citations at the end of the sentence, do you do that inside the period too?)

I personally think the footnote indicators look a great deal better when placed according to the MOS. There is also a small (and fixable) technical rendering issue with the syntax you are using: if you do "Text[space][footnote][period]", the html rendering will allow the footnote and period to wrap to the next line, which is really a problem. At the very least the space needs to be replaced with an &nbsp. But I'd also ask that you consider that the MOS, while not a requirement, does reflect a general degree of consensus and if two good-faithed editors disagree about which way one of these issues should go, it should serve as a tiebreaker at the least. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:43, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks; good point about the space between the word and ref, I'd not really thought of that one and will omit it in future. Wish there was a nice easy way of typing out "nbsp", but there isn't (or not that I know of!). "By the way, when you do one of those citations at the end of the sentence, do you do that inside the period too?" - yes, same as any science journal. This Amer. J. Bot. paper (pdf file) is a typical example. - MPF 23:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

How to

This is going to sound amazing, but I've decided to indef block user:Lingeron as a wolfstar sockpuppet. How do I do it? I know about going to the block page. That's easy. How do I label the user and user talk pages? Geogre 20:41, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

That does sound amazing. Do the block, replace the user page with {{subst:indefblockeduser}} and perhaps {{subst:suckpuppet|Thewolfstar}}, and leave an explanation on the talk page. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

It is done. See, by the way, user:Crowbait. Geogre 01:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

And...? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, you had labelled yourself as a sockpuppet of Bunchofgrapes, and I was pointing out the similar warning on that page. Geogre 13:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah! 'Twarent me, 'twas Eddie! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Lingeron

Hey there, I apologize if I upsetted you over the unblock — I just want to make sure we are absolutely certain (if we are incorrect about this, we could get desysopped, myself included, because I originally endorsed the block). Thanks for providing that though; I think it may be enough to warrent a checkuser (especially since the alleged puppet master's recent edits weren't too long ago). — Deckiller 05:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

That would've been a good idea, but I would've been in no place to determine such a length. Ironically, the user is still apparently blocked, despite the lift. If you want, we can discuss a general disruption block now. — Deckiller 05:26, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I would, but my bedtime nears. If you really want to list the autoblocks (I dont!) go to [25] and search for autoblocks by Geogre. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

This block has been restored by me, based on the checkuser results (confirming footwear manipulation) posted in the ANI thread. ++Lar: t/c 11:31, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

You should have gone to MSTCrow's talk page, IMO. I intend to ignore those complaints because I am convinced they're not genuine. Saying anything at all is feeding the...user's hostility. Bishonen blocked him for a day, Maggie went to "sympathize" and invite him to join her campaign against abusive administrators, and then, late, he showed up to demand that all Checkuser results be posted publically or else none are valid. Given that I doubt very much that he would want his own IP information made public, I don't think he's sincere. Given that what he wants is entirely and completely against all of our policies, it's not worth taking seriously. If he wants to demand every IP of every logged user, then he wants something other than Wikipedia, and there's no reason for us to even discuss it. Geogre 02:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

No. No. No. El C blocked MSTCROW for a day, which made him plus the wolfster go on an all out anti-Bishonen campaign. I thought it odd, to the point where it might be worth mentioningn on ANI if anybody cares to (I'm only here for two minutes, myself). Much later, and after many warnings, I did block MSTCrow, please see log. Note that he never campaigned against EL C, only most intemperately against MY abuse, right from the start. I take it as a welcome tribute to my annoying personality, but it did make me think we might be dealing with TWO Thewolfstar socks in dialogue. Bishonen | talk 22:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)..

It looks like -- I could still have this wrong -- you were the one spending the most effort trying to talk sense to him in the hours before El C's block. Naturally, that made you the target. Still, something is curious about this "We have a mutual friend, Vision Thing, who has asked me to look in on you and ask you to please not leave" from Maggie. Maybe we're looking at a WikipediaReview clique here, I don't know. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure MSTCrow isn't the only one with misconceptions about Checkuser, and attempting to explain what I did there in terms I was hoping a pre-schooler could understand may have some educational value for other members of our community who may find themselves reading AN/I. Although I'm not a big fan of the theory that the best way to win an argument is to have the last word, I do think there was some risk that leaving MSTCrow's words as the last in that thread could leave the impression among those just skimming the topic that a Checkuser hadn't been done. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Ed Ricketts

I like the new images you've added. A section/link to Rickett's work with chitons in the Sea of Cortez would fit Ed Ricketts nicely. —Viriditas | Talk 03:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Quotes22/50 Greatest

I have a feeling that somebody whose relatively short editing history includes this [26] isn't going to be in the mood tfor a reasoned dialogue. Lambertman 15:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

But we're all so much fun to talk to! Maybe they'll come around. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

New Hurricane

How can this be placed in the Wiki-News section?

A new Hurricane is on its way to the U.S., Currently it is located in the drink(Old Naval expression) near Cuba, and it will either hit the E. U.S. or go into the Gulf of Mexico, or hit Florida, which will take out some of Wikipedia's servers. More can be found on the Weather Channel's website. Martial Law 04:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

See Tropical Storm Chris (2006). —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Beckjord

I've just went to the bigfoot Talk page, just now( See indicated timepoint on sig), and seen that Beckjord is back. Is his sentence up ? He has requested that a Admin add his website to the External links section. Martial Law 05:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The IP that I've found is 205.208.227.27 is on the talk page right now. Thought you might want to know about this matter. Martial Law 05:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Some things that you should see:

Wiki-War Declaration, ?, BEST VERSION.

In the first one, you and some Admins are attacked.

Did I follow Wiki protocol correctly ? Martial Law 07:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks for pointing that out. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Ed

Thanks for dealing with the Count. —Viriditas | Talk 11:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Bishonen

Is she still on vacation ? Is she OK ? I am still concerned. How do I convey this w/o being a stalker, worse ? What is going on ? Martial Law 21:57, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

She's just taking a wikibreak, until around the 6th, if I understand correctly. Don't worry, we all miss her. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:00, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Winslow Hall

Thanks for the message about undeleting. The powers of Admins are greater than I thought!--MichaelMaggs 05:57, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

They are indeed amazing people! Giano | talk 06:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The Boxen Rebellion

I'm trying to work out some thoughts on boxes and templates here [27]. Right now, I'm looking for "what's wrong with them" and "what's right about them." I'm going to work my own delicate solutions. Geogre 15:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Aside from that line, do you think it's antagonizing to boxers and taggers even before I get to my solutions/proposal? The proposal will be the common sense stuff that a lot of us favor: status quo has inherent advantages, changes on talk pages before the article page, etc. Geogre 16:34, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Well sure. I don't need to tell you that the whole notion is inherently antagonizing to all procrusteans, do I? All articles must look the same. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

My goal is a guideline, not a policy. The question is whether it will be possible to post it, get at least a preponderance of admin-types in favor, and then implement it. After all, the boxers and taggers have nothing on their side except "per ProjectWikiBland" and "per consensus determined at Meta:MyHead," so anything even approaching a guideline ought to give us a swatter with which to shoo away the flies. Geogre 17:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

You've got a Thank you card!

Open your card!

Dear Grapes, thank you so much for your beautiful words, your kidness and your trust in me. My Request for Adminship is finally over, and the support and appreciation that the community has gifted me will stick in my mind as long as I live. I have no way to properly express how grateful I am to you for all you've done for me, and all I can tell you is, I'll try not to disappoint you nor anyone else with my use of the buttons... and if I mess up, make sure to come here and give me a good yell! :) Seriously, tho, if you ever need my help, either for admin-related stuff or in any other way, you'll always be welcome to message me, and I promise I'll try my very best.
Dear Grapes, this is the perfect opportunity to finally speak to one another after reading your words for months and months. I am sure that we'll be able to talk often, and trust me, it'd be my pleasure. Both your contributions and, most important your warm way to deal with others made me notice you long, long ago; and being supported by a person I look up to, like you, meant the world to me. I sincerely hope this is but the beginning of a friendship, and such thought fills me with joy. But I promise I won't call you "Grappa" like Bish does, unless you want to! :) With a big hug, your friend,

Phaedriel ♥ tell me

GraalOnline AfD

Firstly, thanks for your services and cool head when judging on this Article for Deletion. I think it would be beneficial if this article is protected for a short period of time, to prevent recreation by the people who vehermontly disagreed with the eventual result. Thank you. Killfest2—Daniel.Bryant 06:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The Graalonline article can be sourced, just not the critisism section. Someone should be allowed to recreate it with the sources shown by Unixmad. I am sure that everything in the article could have been sourced except the critisism section that was present at the time, and I am sure that eventually, a critisism section may be added that can be sourced.--Moon Goddess 13:54, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I have given all the references ( 5 articles from the best gaming site ) to show that this article was WP:WEB , Also the infamous Daniel.Bryant bellow said at the top of the article: " please note that this is not a vote" and you decide to delete the article just counting the votes ... Do you respect the time spend by me and others to give arguments and work on this article? The 300000 account of graalonline and the 50000 monthly active players will also appreciate to known that graalonline is not WP:WEB. Graal unixmad 13:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I absolutely did *not* decide to delete by just counting votes... just counting votes, it would have been "no consensus!" —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of GraalOnline. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review.

Graal unixmad 13:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Sure. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow! Well I did just register like two minutes ago. I believe that this issue will have a positive outcome no matter what. Unixmad will probably take defamation less personally and try to encourage that players create fan sites. The Graal Online Top 200 was taken down because most of the sites at the top were hacker sites (having trainers used in-game, calling themselves Anti-Graal), so you have to understand why unixmad is so paranoid. Graal Online is addictive like many MMORPGs, but I find it weighted more socially than most MMORPGs. I started playing it because I enjoyed the simple style of graphics and because I could afford it as opposed to many other online games. Graal Online is quite worthy of documentation just from its origins of being sued by Nintendo. However, it is difficult to find documentation about Graal Online. If it weren't for the fact that I'm a fan of Zelda: A Link to the Past, I would have never discovered the game. I found a very old link to it on a Zelda fan site, so I was interested and started playing.

I would credit Graal for much of my interest in computer science, which is now my major at the University of Vermont. Most of Graal Online is maintained by the player population, which is unbelievable. I am the head of the Levels Administration Team on the Classic server now, a position that was given to me by another player that was assigned manager of the server by the administration. However, the detachment of the owners of the game from the maintenance of most of the worlds and a focus on client functionality so that the players can maintain these worlds might churn up more negativity from the players. Mostly it's the newbies that are less annoying since they've experienced less change and are therefore less biased in their opinions of new developments. Players that have been around for a while are the ones that cry too much. Despite the downsides, I still believe it's a positive learning experience to be in this position. I'm learning leadership, structure, how to separate biases in opinions, what motivations a player might have for playing a game, and many other things; and mostly I'm teaching myself.

Ironically, I've been globally banned from Graal Online multiple times. Once was by unixmad because I had links such as e-consumer.gov in my forum signature (I was sick of players flaming in public about v3). He deemed this as defamation. There was also a "Graalympics" event where many servers participated in a few years ago, and I represented my server in an endurance battle of tug-of-war. I won. Winners were supposed to be given a t-shirt or something from the online store. However, I never received my prize because I made a joke in an email to the host of the event about sending back my prize because it was damaged. Because of that, I never received a prize. My guess would be that Unixmad doesn't like being attacked legally, so that's why he tries to stay on top of things legally. I wouldn't know to be honest, I've only ever exchanged maybe 4-6 sentences with him in the time that I've played. However, I do see the space where community improvement will take place because of the issue of the Wikipedia deletion has brought on.

I never saw Wikipedia's article for Graal Online, but found a link to the deletion debate from Warcaptain's forums. Historically, Graal certainly deserves documentation. Even if it includes being overrun by hackers or losing popularity. Existentially, Graal deserves documentation because of it's past. However, the existing player population of Graal I find to be extremely biased. The administration is also biased. So strongly are the opinion biases of the community that a criticism section should be replaced with a section that says why a criticism section would not be a good idea for this game. --Jake13jake 06:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Giant Stepsalbum.jpg

Hey, could you do me a favor? I originally uploaded Image:Giant Steps.jpg in 2004, but a user attempted to dab it in 2005 and gave it the messy name Image:Giant Stepsalbum.jpg. I've recently renamed it Image:Coltrane Giant Steps.jpg. Would you be so kind as to delete the duplicate, Image:Giant Stepsalbum.jpg? Thanks in advance. —Viriditas | Talk 01:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem, you're welcome in postvance. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 01:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! —Viriditas | Talk 02:16, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Arfenhouse page

I am confused by your removal of the Arfenhouse page I recently edited and reposted. Though I understand the original page was deleted for not being considered "notable", I was under the assumption the changes I made to the piece would make it sufficiently noteworthy. I understand that not every body of work deserves recognition here, but Arfenhouse is a highly popular entertainment franchise that has inspired thousands, and TheGreenHerring did an extraordinary amount of work to create the original article. With such a status, you can surely comprehend my surprise.

I ask that you and the Wikipedia staff please reconsider your position towards this article, and give those who enjoy Arfenhouse a resource, from which they can learn more about it.--EvilJim Christo | Talk 23:54 5 August (UTC)

Semi-protection of wiki user page

Thanks, probably a good idea. I'm in that grey land of not being notable enough for my own article, but being notable enough that people often look at my wiki user page for information on my activities. I should probably rewrite it into a more up to date article, but haven't had the time/inspiration to do so. I've also got a collection of trolls who vandalize this page and my posts on blogs etc. Stirling Newberry 00:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, to be unclear. Yes, semi-protection is probably a good idea for the time being. Stirling Newberry 01:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

My Recall

I endorse the request too. Both the self-unblocking and the edit-war w/ blocking pointed out by Dmcdevit (I don't know if you had a dog in the fight, but judging "innapropriate injections of POV" is never without a subjective aspect and so policy demands that you don't do the blocks yourself in a case like that) cast doubt on your understanding of when it is appropriate to use the extra tools. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

It's like, if an editor added categories "liberal tax-raiser" and "sexual deviant" to Bill Clinton and you came to revert him - repeatedly - you would also call that an edit war? Both of these may even be accurate, but they're obviously illegitimate additions. The situations are about similar. - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, both those categories could conceivably be used to classify Bill Clinton. But I don't think they are a good addition to the article. I'd revert a few times and talk to the inserter; if he kept it up, I'd hope others would agree with me and revert as well. Eventually the other guy would get blocked for disruption or 3RR -- but not by me. We don't use our tools to gain the upper hands in a content dispute, and I'm still not swayed that this wasn't a content dispute. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

OK. But at least I hope you acknowledge that reasonable people can disagree here. - CrazyRussian talk/email 17:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I guess so. Another thing that has occurred to me is that you could make an argument based on WP:BLP that you were removing unsourced negative imformation and could do so without worrying about 3RR (and therefore it wouldn't be fair to call it edit warring either). Of course, that fles only if you point the other guy to the relevant parts of WP:BLP along the way. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Only one of the subjects was living. - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:57, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Help!

Help me! Bishonen | talk 00:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC).

Interwikis

Please add these interwikis:

• {{Welcome}} (sister projects)
  • [[:q:Template:Welcome]] [[:wikt:Template:welcome]] [[:b:Template:Welcome]] [[:n:Template:Hello]] [[:s:Template:Welcome]] [[:wikispecies:Template:Welcome]] [[:commons:Template:Welcome]] [[:m:Template:MediaWiki Welcome]] [[:mw:Template:MediaWiki Welcome]]
• {{Main}}
  • [[bn:Template:মূল নিবন্ধ]] [[ca:Plantilla:Principal]] [[de:Vorlage:Hauptartikel]] [[eo:Ŝablono:Ĉefa]] [[es:Plantilla:AP]] [[fi:Malline:Pääartikkeli]] [[fr:Modèle:Détails]] [[gl:Template:Ver artigo principal]] [[he:תבנית:הפניה לערך מורחב]] [[hr:Predložak:Main]] [[id:Templat:Main]] [[it:Template:Vedi anche]] [[ko:틀:본문]] [[mg:Template:Antsipirihany]] [[nl:Sjabloon:Zieook]] [[pl:Szablon:Main]] [[pt:Predefinição:Principal]] [[ro:Format:Articol principal]] [[ru:Шаблон:Main]] [[simple:Template:Main]] [[sk:Šablóna:Hlavný článok]] [[sl:Predloga:Glavno]] [[sq:Stampa:Kryesor]] [[sr:Шаблон:Посебан чланак]] [[sv:Mall:Huvudartikel]] [[ta:வார்ப்புரு:Main]] [[tl:Template:Main]] [[vi:Tiêu bản:Chính]] [[zh:Template:Main]]

Thanks. Mosca2 02:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I added the {{main}} interwikis. The sister-project links don't seem to work as interwikis; what expected results are you looking for with those? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

You can see an example in w:pt:Usuário:Mosca/Propostas/bv3/2 on left side in correlatos (sister-projects). The code for {{Welcome}} should be:

<div id="interProject" style="clear: both; border-top: 2px dotted #AAAAAA; margin-top: 2em;">
<div title="Links of Wikipedia sister-projects">
 * [[:q:Template:Welcome]]
 * [[:wikt:Template:welcome]]
 * [[:b:Template:Welcome]]
 * [[:n:Template:Hello]]
 * [[:s:Template:Welcome]]
 * [[:wikispecies:Template:Welcome]]
 * [[:commons:Template:Welcome]]
 * [[:m:Template:MediaWiki Welcome]]
 * [[:mw:Template:MediaWiki Welcome]]
</div>
</div>

But it seems doesn't works on en.wikipedia, only on pt.wikipedia. May be using {{Sisterlinks}} or something similar.

---

For {{Protected}} add these: [[ca:Plantilla:Protegeix]] [[es:Plantilla:Protegido]] [[fr:Modèle:Protection]] [[id:Templat:Lindungi]] [[nl:Sjabloon:Beveiligd]] [[pt:Predefinição:Protegida]] [[simple:Template:Protected]] [[sv:Mall:Skyddad]]
Mosca2 06:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I added the interwikis to {{Protected}}. Don't know what to say or do about the sisterlinks stuff. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you keep an eye on Bish

Can you keep a eye on Bish. Remember what I've found ? Bish was also attacked by Beckjord as well. Also have some other Admins keep a eye on her as well. I'm just concerned for her. Martial Law 04:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

RE: It wasn't nonsense, unless if you don't think this edit was vandalism?

Of course not sir! Vandalism would be to have run rampant about the page spewing verbal diarrhea and typing things that one would find on 4chan. That was simply an opionated entry and, in my humble opinion, no need for such a warning as most of the entries of things like furry fandom and not4chan are also such opinonated entries. But who am I to say who is right and who is wrong? I will leave that up to you dear sir.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drybranmuffin (talk • contribs) 08:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

DO something

<subliminal>help help</subliminal> Bishonen | talk 17:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC).

You're doomed. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 18:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, all right. Bishonen | talk 19:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC).

?!!!!

What ?!!!! Martial Law 19:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Now the Save button is malfunctioning. Martial Law 19:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Probably a one-time problem. Was there something else I can help you with?

Grapey?

Could you take a look at my 3RR block thing on User talk:Crculver and evaluate those linked reverts without prejudice, please? The user doesn't think there were four of them. Nobody except me, the original blocker, has responded to his unblock request, unfortunately, and I'd like to have more eyes on it. Besides, I'm going to bed. Please reply ASAP if you're there so I know if I hooked a live one... can't abandon the user for the night if I haven't.
Please note also the "fairness" angle with User:Bharatveer, with whom Crculver was edit warring. If either of them shows any interest in my offer to shorten the block, shorten as you like, please. And of course unblock Crculver pronto if you agree with him that he only made three reverts. (Can't say I see any scope for that with Bharatveer, and he hasn't claimed it, either.) Bishonen | talk 01:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC).

I'm here now and will have a look if nobody else has yet. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Blnguyen did, please see my page. He hasn't written any note about his change to Crculver, though, maybe you could do that? And then please bloooock me, I need to sleeeep.... I've been useful tonight, though, I rangeblocked the Meditation Vandal. No more yogic flying for him for a month. :-) And I taunted a couple of doddering old complainers, that's a public service if ever I performed one... niiiiite.... Bishonen | talk 02:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC).

Sleep? <checks clock> Kind of early for you. The North Sea must have made you soft. Anyway. I agree with the call that the "compromise edit" was still a revert. I don't understand where Blnguyen's fifth revert is supposed to be, and have asked him about that. (Which is important because he upped Crculver's block up to 30hrs based on that). —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict)sorry, I forgot to leave a note on Crculver's page, but I counted reverts at 18.31 (to a previous version) on the 7th, then 7.09, 7.16, 7.22 and 7.39 on the 8th. The 7.16 is not marked as a revert, but switches the sentence in contention. The others are marked as reverts in the summary and are reverts. Thanks, I hope that made sense. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 02:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

The first revert also reverted some text which was not vandalism, and although the text addition was of a low quality, it still is a POV edit and revert. Is this ok? Maybe it should be half a revert..27 hours? Blnguyen | rant-line 03:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

27 hours it is. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

The wolf is out of the bag

[28] Bishonen | talk 03:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC).

Sigh. If it wasn't obvious last time, what's going to make it obvious this time? Waah. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

My Recall

Hello. Your response here will be appreciated. Thanks. - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Too late, already answered. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Right. Thanks. You're right, you didn't vote to desysop me. - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

SFAIK, No one did. There was never a venue for that. KillerChihuahua^?!? 16:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

• Not your finest moments any of you. Must go suddenly have a very nasty taste in my mouth! Giano | talk 21:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I have got to get off my recent jag of policy and policing matters and actually create some content, I'll say that much at least in support of your position. I don't feel great about the whole recall affair, but I don't feel mouth-throwup bad, either. What article should I work on, Giano? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:13, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

• Since you ask Mission (Christian) as the Category:Administrators open to recall reminds me of those very earnest smiling young men you Americans send to Europe to knock on our doors and save our souls. Very good but very naive. They look like the personification of all we have begged and failed our own sons to be, clean, fresh faced, short haired and wearing a smart (if somewhat badly cut) suit, yet suddenly our own scruffy object which costs us daily a fortune, and currently mending his motorbike on the Savonnerie suddenly seems refreshingly normal and healthy, anyway I'm digressing my point is, while we do not choose to join their odd religions we do not slam the door in their faces and disillusion them. Isn't there some holy quote about leaving lambs in their simplicity? Besides which on this occasion you were targeting completely the wrong person. What on earth is your name doing there on that list anyway? - you should improve "Mission (Christian)" as a penance. At least I suppose CZRwhatsisname has learn a valuable lesson about human nature he won't forget in a hurry. Had I been him I too would have unblocked myself tout de suite - it was totally stupid that he was blocked - I can't imagine why you all became so concerned in the first place, find something better to do which brings me neatly back to "Mission (Christian)" Giano | talk 22:39, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

• That's some pretty tough penance your asking for there. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

You could fill any of my redlinks. Salisbury Court Theatre? Cockpit Theatre? Duke's Company? United Company? Or perhaps a translation of a French person? Go on - you know it makes sense! -- ALoan (Talk) 09:50, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

(The Cockpit is very, very important. Ask Bish to do United and Duke's.) Geogre 21:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Will I sound cocky (ah, geez) if I admit that of those, the Cockpit was the one I was most likely to at least take a stab at? I learned a little about it doing The King's House, since it was also on or near Drury Lane and a few bad sources confused them enough to say the Theatre Royal was built at the very same spot. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Then there's the other sources confusing it (or at least not dis-confusing it, if you know what I mean) with the 1629-built Cockpit-in-Court. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

ANI

Ah, okay :) Just making sure. — Deckiller 01:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Tobacco Smoking

Can you please review Tobacco Smoking for Good Article status? --GoOdCoNtEnT 04:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. I will work on that. --GoOdCoNtEnT 03:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Bish SOS

Seen Bish's emoticon status. She needs assisstance. I'd try to assist myself, but I'm not experienced in these matters, nor do I want to be percieved as a stalker, spammer, etc. of that sort. Some other User may have made her feel bad. Am concerned. Martial Law 18:14, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I am quite sure she is fine. An emotional status of "Rain of Frogs" isn't really a good indication that somebody is in a crisis or needs help. Really, I don't think Bishonen wants to have her feelings or (theoretical and imagined) problems discussed here or anywhere. Please rest assured that you are not the only one with her page on their watchlist, and if she does actually indicate that she needs assistance, it will arrive. Until then, stop imagining worst-case scenraios, stop worrying so much, and stop bringing this topic up. Thanks. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Will comply. Martial Law 03:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I was taught to overestimate a situation, so that one can be prepared to handle it. I'm a military brat, USAF and US Army, w/ some kin in extremely secretive govt. agency postings. Martial Law 03:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Wolfstar sock

I really don't care about removing them. It just shows ignorance on her part and makes her look worse than me IMO. I think policy is to remove them, but I really don't mind it myself as I've gotten used to personal attacks from them. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 20:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting..

..the edits to my user talk page by the guy who's messaging all the admins before I even got there! Kudos. Bobo. 04:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Bobo. has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Casu Marzu

Why is there no mention of Casu Marzu in the cheese article? It may not be well known but it is notable. I'd do it myself but I have no idea how to integrate the information into the article. Report back at Talk:Cheese

P.S. I already posted the question there but nobody answered. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.50.97.246 (talk • contribs) .

Answered at Talk:Cheese. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The Larch

Well, there were no messages really needing to stick around when I archived, but the page looks silly without any messages. So I thought I'd write to myself. How ya' doing? Good? Good. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Great. You? KillerChihuahua^?!? 20:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the picture! That's me! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

It's pronounced "Throatwarbler Mangrove," you philistine.--Rosicrucian 21:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

It's clearly referring to a painting by Ann Elk. That's Ann Elk, not An Elk, which would be silly, as elk cannot paint. I'm so-so. I would say mezzo mezzo, but then Giano would try to sue me for using Italian. Geogre 19:57, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Post moved from your userpage

Hi bunchofgrspes sorry for 'editing' swiss cheese it won't happen again as i do recall signing a contract in blood at a pagan ritual under a full moon, so i send my heartfelt apologies to you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lauren75 (talk • contribs)

sorry for the swiss cheese incident old chum won't happen again as I'm sure your pagan rituals would not allow it. Accept my apologies and let's move on old chum!

Hi just wanted to enquire who started wikipedia? wonderful site indeed

Heh. I've added this to the Lost and Found section on my user page. Hey Bunch, isn't there a humor-based wikipedia-like web site that allows users to do what Lauren is doing? I can't recall the name of it at the moment, but I remember that David Gerard used to edit over there, as did Angela, I believe. —Viriditas | Talk 06:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Uncyclopedia? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 14:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that's it, thanks. I wonder if it would help to create a template which could be placed on user talk pages for editors like Lauren, pointing them to that site. —Viriditas | Talk 03:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Sure, what we need are more user-talk templates. I understand why these get created, but it's out of control. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I was replying from my PDA and felt it was easier to reply to the archived thread. I'm on my desktop now. You may have a point about the templates, but I think they might be handy for people using vandal-fighting scripts or apps. It may also be one way of letting humorous vandals vent their creative energies. I don't know, but it just occurred to me and I thought I should ask your opinion. —Viriditas | Talk

DYK

On 12 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cockpit Theatre, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Nice article! Wanted to use the image for the main page, but it didn't seem to come through all that well. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 07:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Arfenhouse

I see that the Arfenhouse article has been deleted for failing WP:WEB even though it doesn't. I had a big page written explaining that too but I saved it in Word and decided to keep it short. Is there a way to start talk page on restoring the Arfenhouse article? Joe Capricorn 07:20, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

GayVN Awards redirects

Thanks for your help in deleting the pages that were merged. However, I'm disappointed that the redirects weren't deleted, regardless of how "cheap" they are.

I can't find anything that says redirects have to be kept in the case of merging a page. (Which would make sense in most cases, I'm sure, but not when the name of the merged page is not one that someone would likely search for.) I can, however, find support for deleting them. Wikipedia:Redirect#When should we delete a redirect?, item 1. states, "The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine."

I believe that leaving the redirects meets this guideline. Here's the top of the results list when searching for "gayvn", in order of appearance. There are 51 results listed. Redirects are marked (R); correct pages are bolded. Non-existent pages are italicized.

GAYVN Awards (R) capitalization - keep; is useful

GayVN awards (R) capitalization - keep; is useful

GayVN Award (R) Singular rather than plural - keep; is useful

GayVN Awards Article page

2001 GayVN Awards (R)

Talk: GayVN Awards Talk page

2003 GayVN Awards (R)

1998 GayVN Awards (R)

2004 GayVN Awards (R)

2002 GayVN Awards: Page is listed but doesn't exist, so results in a "Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name" page being displayed.

2005 GayVN Awards (R)

2000 GayVN Awards (R)

2006 GayVN Awards (R)

1st GayVN Awards (1999) (R)

2nd GayVN Awards (R)

6th GayVN Awards (R)

4th GayVN Awards: Page is listed but doesn't exist, so results in a "Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name" page being displayed.

3rd GayVN Awards (R)

1st GayVN Awards (R): Redirects to 1998 GayVN Awards (R) (double redirect)

5th GayVN Awards (R)

Arabesque (gay film)

Wilfried Knight

Brice Ebson

and others ...

Having to slog through 15 extraneous "hits" for non-useful redirect pages seems unreasonable to me; it's nearly a third of the search results. The redirects aren't useful as they are too specific to be considered likely search phrases.

User:24.167.138.84 may exist, but 24.167.138.84 is a volatile IP address. Keeping a comment directed at a particular user of a volatile IP address that may never be used by that particular user again, about a page that has been merged/deleted, seems needless. While equally useless, for some reason he doesn't show up in the search list. (More evidence that there's something wrong with the index.)

User:Overdrive10/Kent Larson and User:Overdrive10/Chris Steele show up further down on the list as well; neither of these pages contains any reference to GayVN (they're both blank); I'm sure they did in the past as they were probably sandboxes for articles. However, there has been no activity on either page since 16 June.

User:Fabartus/Sandbox also shows up in the search results but doesn't mention GayVN anywhere on that page; nor has s/he done so since 13 April. That entry appears to be part of a copy and paste of another user's contributions log with comments, and was created by a user with an IP address (most likely Fabartus's, however).

In these cases and the case of the two pages listed above that don't actually exist but are being returned as part of the search results, I think there's an obvious "glitch" somewhere - apparently in the search engine indexing. Is it not being refreshed on a regular basis? I thought it happened every 24 hours.

Any road, it would be nice to have the 15 redirect pages removed and their entries in the search results eliminated (and I'm not sure that the former results in the latter). Equally desirable would be to have the search index updated to reflect the non-existence of pages. Is that something that you can do, or know to whom a request should be made to do so?

Any chance of some further assistance here?

Thanks.—Chidom ^talk  16:43, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Answered over there. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:54, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy reply. I had overlooked the page history issue (wish those could be merged as well; I'm a Virgo who likes things tidier than they are). It seems a shame for the search engine to be so inefficient; but it's good to know about. As far as creating GayVN as a redirect, that's not desirable. Searching on the phrase returns other useful pages on individuals; it wouldn't be good to have it only point to the article about the awards themselves. I'm more educated now; thanks for your patience in dealing with someone who's relatively new. Have good days.—Chidom ^talk  17:02, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

View source

What is the Template used ? Seen this around as a means to keep people from editing pages to prevent vandalisim, etc. Martial Law 17:13, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

What "Template"? Could you point to an examply of what you are talking about? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:18, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, why is it that the SAVE function is sooooo S...l....o.....w, if it works at all. Martial Law 17:15, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

That may be a problem on your end. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:18, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

A highly controversial topic, such as the current war going on between Israel and Hesbollah, sex related articles, scatological related articles, sometimes paranormal related articles, such as Bigfoot, articles such as France, which have been repeatedly vandalised, have had the "View Source" template in place of the "Edit" button. Martial Law 17:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah. That's what you see when you can't edit the article because it is protected or semi-protected. Normally you would be able to edit semi-protected pages, ML, but when you can't sign in and have to edit as an anon, you can't. If you press the "view source" button, the page you reach has more information and links about protection and semi-protection. Only admins can protect or unprotect pages. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I was examing some Bigfoot sites, incl. the BFRO site, and found that there are shooting reports on them. Where can it be stated in the Bigfoot article that, "Some people have, when they spot this thing, they have used weapons on it."? There are police reports that do state that people have shot at this thing. Martial Law 17:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Do you have a memory disorder? Are you asking me this in good faith? We've discussed this topic before, several times. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Former question, no memory disorder. Just seen these reports. Latter question, Yes, I am asking in good faith, since I've seen these reports. Out here in Texas, people out here shoot first, ask questions later. Do appreciate the assisstance. I have a cousin who said that a juvenile was chased by one, was not armed, but his family was armed, and shot at it. That is another reason I'm asking about this matter. Should know about this state, I'm in this state.I do apologise if I offended you. Martial Law 17:57, 13 August 2006 (UTC) I'll see if I can find a shooting report. Martial Law 18:00, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Found one on www.bigfootencounters.com. Some do mention people shooting at bigfoot. I was in Fouke, Arkansas recently as well. Heard some people talking about shooting one, and how "skeptics" dislike people reporting these things. If I had offended you, I do humbly apologise for that and I do appreciate your assisstance, patience in this matter. Found another, but examining it first. Martial Law 18:53, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Persuant to examination, the site Above Top Secret is not placed here at all, persuant to certain Wikipedia protocol. Really appreciate your assisstance, patience in this matter. I have found some people who are NOT as polite. Why can't people get along ? Martial Law 19:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

On the Bigfoot Encounters site, go to "Newspaper and Magazine Articles". Martial Law 19:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Jack the Ripper

Your assistance would be helpful on Jack the Ripper, as a couple of new editors are inserting highly POV claims and removing whole sections of the article and just labeling them POV/OR without any sort of justification and blind reverting over and over instead of giving any rationale for their changes. 172.147.224.125 18:42, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I've attempted some compromise edits. Clearly deleting that whole second paragraph was a bad thing; a few of the other seemed to have some reasoning behind them. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks... I have no problems with any of your edits, as those were minor and not the same as the wholesale removals of important sections and phrases and the blind reverts being made by the two new editors to the page. With any luck now they'll either give up or learn to make responsible edits. 172.168.5.198 19:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Apologies

Aloha, Bunchofgrapes, I want to apologize for editing your archive and enabling the terrorists. Of course, archives should not be edited, so I have no excuse. It is possible, however, that I was temporarily possessed by the spirit of Belphegor, so with that in mind, I ask your forgiveness. In vino veritas, Viriditas (talk)

Oh, sheesh, I already thought I'd responded that it wasn't a problem. I see now I didn't. You are absolved, Viriditas, go now and sin no more. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 14:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

That's the way to do it! -- ALoan (Talk) 13:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Just uploaded this fo a page. Don't know why but this is how I immagine you look - So you might as well have him for your page. He's OK, in fact he lead a very enviable life!Giano.

Paranormal: How I got "into" this

1. I was a kid living in Texas when the family had to deal with UFOs and aliens, trigger happy neighbors.
2. The family lived in several haunted constructs, incl. a hotel.
3. While in Fouke, Arkansas, while investigating a Bigfoot incident, some idiot accused me of being a skeptic, and was using a old "wheel" gun(maybe a .38) to illustrate the point. That happened long ago. He said that "skeptics" had insulted him and the good citizens of Fouke.
4. I've been in several paranormal "hot spots", such as Phoenix, Arizona and Gulf Breeze, Florida. -- and seen UFOs in these areas. One was in a position that it had to dissappear or get hit by a small civilian plane. I have a pix of one I had personally photographed while I was in Phoenix. That one is my terminal's "wall paper".
5. Contacts (I'm a military brat w/ some family that was in extremely secretive govt. agencies) had indicated that IF there is "Alien Contact", the whole planet will erupt into Rebellion. Some will revolt, due to religious reasons, while some will rebel, due to being ridiculed and/or insulted as persuant to the Robertson Panel, related govt. protocol.

I hope you can forgive me as well. I do apologise if I had offended you. Martial Law 16:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

That's it. Enough. Stop posting on my page, Martial law. Go Away. Please. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Just a brief thank you for your note. All the best, Dan—DCGeist 19:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Bahrain IT Team

why this page was deleted and protected ? this team have a very good output and high respect in bahrain . http://www.bahrainitteam.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom 99 (talk • contribs) 11:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Black pepper and course of world history

Yes,black pepper can claim most of it. It was black pepper that was known as black gold, not nutmeg or any other spice. It was probably the first commodity ever to be called that, long before coffee and even longer before oil.

It was not to the lands further east that the Europeans were seeking a route, but to India. And in this case India was Kerala from where virtually almost all the spices came, although they didn't know what Kerala or Malabar Coast was. The main ports from where spices to Europe (i.e. before the Europeans discovered their sea route) were loaded were in Kerala.

It is unfortunate that you are trivializing Kerala's role in the whole matter by editiing adding the 'lands further east' phrase.

By the way, the word Kerala existed long before that became an official name of it as a new state in the Independent India. Therefore Kerala and Malabar coast are practically interchangeable (although Malabar coast is usually a foreigners' term.) However, Malabar, (without the 'coast') is the norther region of Kerala.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Esesk (talk • contribs) 21:31, August 16, 2006

Well, cloves and nutmeg,during most periods, were worth far more than pepper pound-for-pound. (Yes, the pepper trade has generally been worth more overall, since it was more plentiful and popular). You are right that De Gama and followers didn't know cloves and nutmeg *didn't* come from Kerala and that *all* the spices from the east flowed through the Malabar ports before moving onto Europe. So, Kerala was hugely important for the spice trade, but the emphasis on that importance should be more in Kerala and in Spice trade, not so much in Black pepper. If I have a Malabar / Malabar coast nuance wrong, feel free and change that. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

PS sign your talk-page posts by typeing four tildes (~~~~); when you save the page they will automatically get converted into your name and a timestamp. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

User:His_excellency

He's currently editing under User:Amibidhrohi, although you blocked him for three days. BhaiSaab ^talk 23:22, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I blocked the evading account for three days. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

What happened to the autoblocker? Bishonen | talk 23:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC).

I think the autoblocker only works for 24 hours, or his IP address may have changed. BhaiSaab ^talk 23:49, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounds right. I think it does give up after 24 hours if the blocked user doesn't attempt to edit, or something like that. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 00:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On 18 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lisle's Tennis Court, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Not again...

I'm pretty sure we've got another sock of you-know-who: Whiskey Rebellion (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). I've suspected a sock since they first showed up, but I've been trying to hold off judgement. But this edit pretty much convinced me--typical wolfstar comment. Keep an eye (or hopefully two) on this one. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 10:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, I have an eye on it. Don't encourage AaronS to bait her like that. I agree that it is likely her. Not yet an "obvious" puppet, to me (I'm very conservative about that). With nothing rising to the level of abuse yet, and with her sockpuppet evasion techniques forcing he to do unwolfish things like make reasonable edits here and there in other areas, I'm not going to do anything about it at the moment -- though if anybody wants to file an RFCU on the account, feel free and cite as evidence my opinion that, having looked through every one of the accounts contribs, it is a likely sock. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 14:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it was me who did that. Although it wasn't at all nice, I wouldn't have done if if I wasn't sure this was a sock. I've been watching the user tentatively for the last few days and trying to give the benefit of the doubt, but that one edit made me sure. Maybe it wasn't the best way to deal with it, but it made me feel better. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 20:18, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, er, I guess you thought I was talking about [29]? I would have been if I had seen it; I hadn't, and was only talking about the *coughsockpuppet*-type stuff. Please for the moment do try to keep a lid on the ad hominem arguments. Anyway, please understand that I have no particular understanding of the content issues in the Anarchism articles, so (a) it's almost never a slam-dunk to me determining whether a given edit there is a good or bad thing in general and (b) I have no way of judging how unusual or common Thewolfstar's feelings about the relationships between capitalism, communism, and anarchy might be: in other words, how likely it is that somebody new might come along with the same feelings. And you guys bringing up Jefferson and Orwell before she can just serves to give he an extra reminder, if she needs one, to avoid the other old topics. I still think an RFCU would be good, but maybe Bishonen, if she's reading this hint hint HINT, could take a look and see what she thinks. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Trust me, the chances of this not being Wolfstar are maybe 10%. If it's not, then it's RJII or Hogeye, who are both blocked and/or banned. There's maybe a 1% chance that it's not one of them, and that's a liberal estimate. I can understand an outside observer not really knowing it, but considering that every neutral scholarly source I've seen has never once questioned anarcho-communism's place within anarchism, and now all of a sudden we have another "new" user (who happens to have a fairly complex userpage after only a few days, just like the other wolfstar socks) is saying something that is almost identical to thewolfstar's comments makes me pretty much certain. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 20:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not disagreeing with you. But I will note that the likelihood of a new editor on any topic having a grounding in the neutral scholarly sources in that topic is pretty low around here, so that's not quite the right metric. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:05, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Then again, it won't be long now. [30]. She's coming across a lot of abusive admins? O RLY? I haven't seen a single admin even hint at shaking a stick at her yet. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

lol. Oh yeah, it's a sock. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 21:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Well, yes, I can understand that. At the same time, based on their knowledge of wikipedia (who creates a userpage like that that quickly after ariving?) I doubt this user is new. And so far, every new user who has come and made edits like that has been blocked for being a sock (of either wolfstar, rjii or hogeye). As KingWen kindly pointed out on their talk page, I once had a discussion with AaronS that went like this:

I'm shocked! You mean that was a sock the whole time? No! So hey, that's two blocked in two days, not bad! The Ungovernable Force 05:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Haha, yeah, I think we're starting to get the gist of this. --AaronS 12:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Working on the anarchism page makes you a first class sock-detector. We've had far too much experience with these types of situations. I don't think it's obvious enough to block yet without upsetting a lot of people on ANI, but it is obvious to anyone experienced with this issue that it's a sock. I think I'll look into RFCU right about now. Thanks for the suggestions. I do understand your doubts--if I were in your situation I would probably have them too. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 21:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I don't have time to do check user right now. I'm doing a lot of other things at once (need to go kill some mold in a bathroom, yuck, among other things) and can't sit down long enough to concentrate on filling out a good request. Maybe later tonight. I'm also going to go give a link to this discussion to Bishonen. Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 22:25, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

copyvio, vandalism, ect !!??

I listed Joseph's Tomb as a copyvio, blanked the page, inserted the tag ect... The creator of the article reverted the article to remove the copyvio tag without disscussion, as well as deleting the copyvio message on his talk page: User talk:Kuratowski's Ghost. His explanation was that he copied the article text from an email that was public domain, and that the copyrighted source also copied that or copied the wikipedia article (unlikely). I have no idea if the public domain e-mail thing works, but I still think it was copied from the source because it lists two sources that this article never did. This is obviously being discussed as Talk:Joseph's Tomb. The page should be treated as a copyvio until we know things for sure right? Thanks --Musaabdulrashid 02:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Answered on talk page. I think you are in the right. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I saw it, extreme thank you again --Musaabdulrashid 02:51, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

the image

Bunchofgrapes, I'm so sorry. I did not know that this was a copyright photo. Whiskey Rebellion 05:07, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I just read the conversation above concerning me or other users. I made that comment about "coming across a lot of admin abuse" because of conversations that I have read and situations that I have followed. No admin has been mean to me at all yet. The Ungovernable Force was very mean to me right away, however. This is true. You can read the discussion which has been archived already. As far as making an elaborate page, I borrowed the ideas from User:Abdullah Geelah. Also, I have been using computers since I was 9 years old and know how to do many different things with them. All these misunderstandings are very upsetting to me. Whiskey Rebellion 05:23, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Bunchofgrapes. I'm sorry for any aggravation that this weird situation has brought you. Thanks for the great advice and thanks for being so nice to me! I shouldn't have made that comment about admin abuse. You and Samir have shown me already how friendly admins can be. Anyhow, anyone can be mean or nice, am I right? Well, thanks again for your kind comments on my page and I'll try to follow all your advice. It will hard though! lol. Whiskey Rebellion 05:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: unicodifying mdash and ndash

Please don't. The problem with the unicode versions of &mdash; and &ndash; is that they are indistinguishable in the fixed-width font generally seen within Wikipedia's editing environment. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:05, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

May I ask what browser you're using? On Safari on my Mac, the editing textbox has a proportional font and the width of the different dashes is readily apparent. Admittedly, Camino (which is Gecko-based), the other browser I generally use, uses a monospaced font, but even there, the characters are drawn slightly differently. Cheers, CmdrObot 14:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC).

Well deserved Award

This is my way of thanking you for your assisstance, patience.

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		This is to award you for your outstanding assisstance and patience

Martial Law 20:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Mill Ends Park

Thanks for the help on that, much appreciated. Errick 20:41, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Rubberjoshy

Hi there: you just deleted an article by this use called "screens". He has another very short article extant called "Dinar Szredy" which you will quickly appreciate transliterates as "dinner's ready". He claims this to be a name of a character in a Bulgarian soap. Is it a hoax, or am I over-suspicious?--Anthony.bradbury 23:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Following links around, he looks like he might be creating an interlinking network of hoax articles. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

That was my thought. But he's been deleted now anyway.--Anthony.bradbury 23:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, his articles were falling to various speedy deletes left and right; I also blocked him a couple hours to slow him down a little, and there's discussion now on WP:ANI about indef-blocking him as a vandalism-only account. Thanks for letting me know. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Another Ray Lopez Out Break

[31] and [32] Complete with fake myspace profile. Stirling Newberry 04:52, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked WikipediaSleeperCell2 as an innapropriate username. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:54, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Award for Bish

Can you transfer this to her ? Her page is protected.

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		This award is to thank Bishonen for her work and efforts to make Wikipedia a better place, and for her valued assisstance, patience to me as well. - From Martial Law

Martial Law 05:00, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

BLOCK

Why do you keep blocking me, I didnt vandalize anything.

-Dante- August 20, 2006