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Reference errors on 27 February

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What do you mean by "It's already black"

You edited the page Namebench and told me "It's already black" in the description. Could you tell me more in my talk page. Thanks! NeatCoronet458 (talk) 15:31, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

NeatCoronet458 All article titles are defaulted to the color black. There was no need to specify it to be black as "it's already black". I'm not aware of any titles that aren't black. You previously edited the article title to be bold and in italics, which you reverted my edit to undo this. The title is already bold, thus no need to specify this. Italics should only be used where the title is in italics in the article's text... examples are book or film titles. Bgwhite (talk) 05:21, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
If a user has been to Preferences → Gadgets, and enabled "Display an assessment of an article's quality in its page header (documentation)", article titles are only black if they're unassessed. But there is still no reason to explicitly set the colour by using {{DISPLAYTITLE:}} since those people who do use that gadget will get unexpected results. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:44, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-09

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Thanks to the Graph extension and Pageview API, we now have {{Graph:PageViews}} templates that can show pageviews for any wiki page for any of the wikis. See the examples.
  • The Capiunto extension is installed on test wiki. Capiunto provides flexible infobox functionality for Scribunto and generates HTML for infobox features such as headers and rows. It is designed for clean and modern infoboxes that are driven by data from Wikidata, easily usable across different language versions, and easily extensible.
  • The visual editor now follows the TemplateData format setting announced in November. When you edit or add a use of a template, the wikitext will be laid out in one of the two ways. [1][2]
  • The order of parameters and format defined in a template's TemplateData will be now respected. [3][4]

Changes this week

  • On wikis where the visual editor is available in single edit tab mode, red links may open the visual editor instead of the wikitext editor, depending on user preferences. [5]
  • Anonymous editor warning is now displayed as a warningbox for consistency in both the visual editor and the wikitext editor. [6]
  • Parsoid has been updated to fit some HTML 5 specifications. [7]

Meetings

  • Resigning executive director Lila Tretikov is taking questions at Knowledge Engine FAQ regarding the much talked about project. [8]
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20:12, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Said bin Taimur

BgWhite, can you please let me know why my information was edited and it said vandalism? I'm new to this Wikipedia edit process and I would like all the help I can get. I have to add to an article for my class assignment. I have already written a paper about Sa'id bin Taimur for my Middle Eastern Class and have a lot of references to pull from. Thank you for your time and I look forward to learning something new. (Captvjdax (talk) 15:50, 29 February 2016 (UTC)).

Captvjdax You surrounded paragraphs with equal signs (ie "===="). Equal signs mean a section header, thus paragraphs became section headers. If you look at your version, the text from the paragraphs show up in the table of contents and the text in the article became bold. It looks like something a vandal would do. Don't worry about making mistakes. You also did the right thing by asking questions. Bgwhite (talk) 20:27, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 29 February

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Herman Hollerith article - gravesite

This: 

[Map to gravesite]]]

has been replaced with this: 

Map to gravesite]]

The result is the link being displayed to the article's reader. Why should that link displayed?

Amusing - I cannot preview this text - your "I will not respond ..." blocks my view. Thanks, 73.71.159.231 (talk) 06:21, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

No.   [[http://www.oakhillcemeterydc.org/map.html Map to gravesite]]]] was replaced with [http://www.oakhillcemeterydc.org/map.html Map to gravesite]]]. External links are not surrounded by double [[. Double brackets are for wikilinks... links to Wikipedia pages like apple. Preview works just fine for me and thousands of other people over the years. Bgwhite (talk) 06:28, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
One of you might care to check the reference; I'm getting a "Server not found" message: "Firefox can't find the server at www.oakhillcemeterydc.org". I'll not mark it {{dl}} just in case the problem is transitory. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:00, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Martin of Sheffield You are correct, the link is dead. I've removed it. Bgwhite (talk) 18:35, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Amazon as a RS

Hi, I see you've removed Amazon as a reference on a couple of articles on my watchlist, Laura Schwendinger and Magic Tree House (series). Actually, while a vendor site like Amazon is discouraged, it's permissible to use for verification of basic facts. See the discussion at WP:RS#Vendor and e-commerce sources.

I see you're using AWB as your editor. Does AWB automatically flag and delete Amazon references? If so, we should identify that as abug; that's not consistent with the RS guideline.

Of course, you can delete those references if you substitute a better one. TJRC (talk) 16:28, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

TJRC Amazon is not an acceptable source for books. Period. ISBNs and/or other sites, such as Google and WorldCat, are available and are better. There are better sites than Amazon for music. The Amazon refs were not sourcing any basic facts, just the existence of the material. People do use AWB to edit manually. Bgwhite (talk) 18:21, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
WP:RS disagrees with you. If you disagree, why don't you open a discussion there to see if the community consensus is with you to change that? TJRC (talk) 18:27, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
No they don't. Read WP:RS#Vendor and e-commerce sources. It says when a better source is available, use it instead of the commercial site. As stated above, there are always better sources available than Amazon. As I also mentioned, there are no basic facts being sourced. You are the one putting up bad sources. Bgwhite (talk) 18:34, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
I opened an RFC at WT:RS. In the interest of avoiding an edit war, I'll hold off until that is resolved. Could I ask you to similarly refrain from deleting sources like this until there's resolution of the RfC? Thanks.
Also, FWIW, I did not add the Amazon sources to the Magic Tree House (series) article; I merely reformatted some of them and restored them when deleted. I did add the one to Laura Schwendinger. If you have that "better source" you're referring to, please feel free to substitute it. TJRC (talk) 19:09, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
TJRC, yea I saw you open an RFC for this. That is overkill. I also see you took quotes of mine out of context. As you added the Amazon ref, it is your responsibility to add a better source, not me. You should never had added it in the first place. Egads. Bgwhite (talk) 19:15, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
I don't mean to take you quotes out of context and was careful to include links back to them so the full context was available. Why don't you just make your points at the RFC? TJRC (talk) 19:22, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Edit reverted

Hi, Bgwhite - just a friendly note that in Jack Thompson (activist) I reverted the quotation marks you put around The Howard Stern Show to italics, since the convention is for show titles to be italicized and episode titles to be put in quotes. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Titles#Italics.

Adelphious, I never removed italics. I converted HTML to wikicode. One is not to use <i> and instead use ''. Also, please sign your talk messages. Bgwhite (talk) 18:27, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Lesson learned. Thanks.Adelphious (talk) 19:52, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Adelphious No problem. I hope it is one of many lessons learned to come (which means you are editing alot). So many things to learn around here that causes one to never stop learning. Bgwhite (talk) 21:23, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

You have deleted a page Kamal Dhaliwal

You have deleted this page only because it was having lack of electronic references. But Kamal dhaliwal is a well known young leader in punjab and there are a lot of articles about him in newspapers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.163.150.11 (talk) 16:21, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

198.163.150.11 All articles must have references in order to stay around. Dhaliwal's own Twitter feed and Facebook page do not count. See WP:N for more information. The article was deleted because there was nothing special about him. He is a 19 year old student who's claim of notability is firing a gun on a University campus. If there are alot of articles in newspapers, then you need to put them in the article, but you said in the article, "Almost his all records has been deleted from the internet." Bgwhite (talk) 19:06, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Content and Format Choices

Hi Bgwhite,

You've recently made changes to the Y.Z. Kami page, deleted exhibition listings and the artist's bibliography, as well as reversed our formatting.

We represent the artist, and have worked with him directly in deciding how his page should look. All of the exhibitions and publications are necessary, and our formatting is designed specifically for this. GogoW24 (talk) 18:21, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

GogoW24 You have a Conflict of Interest (COI). COI editing is strongly discouraged. Even worse, you are a paid editor and must disclose this on the article's talk page and should not be editing the page directly.
Wikipedia does have rules one must follow. For example, changing fonts in the article is not allowed. Wikipedia is not a CV. Every mention of Kami in articles, books, catalogs, essays and reviews are not needed. The group exhibitions can be ok, but there was no references for them. Bgwhite (talk) 18:56, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I don't normally intervene on other people's Talk pages but I have to say that I am genuinely appalled by this. Ideas such as "our formatting" and "deciding how his page should look", and some of your edit summaries, are so remote from what Wikipedia is like that I honestly wonder if you have any idea at all about what it is, what it is for, and how it works. Or is it just another item on a promotional checklist, like printing the invitations and making sure the posters are distributed? It's just ... wrong. On your own website you can do what you like with fonts and lists - you are paying for it, it's your playground. On Wikipedia you play by the rules here, or not at all. Bgwhite has been incredibly tolerant and restrained and nice in dealing with you - you need to understand and appreciate this. Sorry to intervene and I confirm that I am shutting up now. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 21:38, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

The Beast edits reverted

Hi,

why did you revert my edits to The Beast? I came to the disambiguation page because I was looking for this train known as The Beast. I was surprised that I didn't find it, so I added it. It is widely used, as evidenced by Google Search. Why did you revert it? See also Talk:The Beast.

Best regards,
--Gerrit CUTEDH 15:07, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Gerritholl You messed up the line after the beast entry. The trains name is "the death train", not the beast. Add back in, but do so correctly. Also in "the death train's" article, could you change it so "the beast" is more prominent and with a ref. Bgwhite (talk) 18:39, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

BgWhite: You are contradicting what LaMOna said/did. The article was blocked by them in review stage for what you are suggesting. Please sopt reverting as I am working on the article and you keep deleting my updates. Kamna Pruvost

Reference errors on 4 March

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Unapproved task and misrepresentation of citation contents

The bot made this edit which made a mess of the elevation of the peak elevation, but ended up attributing the elevation 4242 feet to the National Geodetic Survey (NGS), when in fact cited NGS source indicates the elevation is 4229 feet referenced to the North American Vertical Datum of 1988. (The other elevations in the article come from promotional material produced by the resort's management, and fail to indicate the datum; elevations without datums are of limited use because the elevations referenced to different datums can differ by hundreds of feet.) There is nothing in the bot's description to indicate it is authorized to change the elevation of summits. I have used the {{Bots}} template to deny the bot on the "Killington Ski Resort" article and reverted the edit. Jc3s5h (talk) 08:16, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Jc3s5h The bot did not make any of the changes you say it did. The IP before the bot's edit did. The bot was there to fix a broken bracket, which there is one. The bot also did general fixes. With the bracket still broken, I would have fixed it on my next pass manually. The bot only fixes 2/3 of them. Bgwhite (talk) 08:31, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
I just reverted to the version before the IP edit. Jc3s5h (talk) 08:33, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
I see that the version I tried to revert to was identical to the version created by Bgwhite's latest edit so the revert didn't occur. Jc3s5h (talk) 08:39, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
Jc3s5h You already reverted to the version before the IP's edit. I only undid your {{bots}} addition. FYI... The bot will be making a visit in the next month or so. There is a problem with WP:LISTGAP (blank line between list items). Bgwhite (talk) 08:43, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 5 March

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Ledger Investing in Peer-to-peer insurance

Hi Bgwhite! Please could you help me restore the added comment to the history of Peer-to-peer insurance with the release of Ledger Investing in 2016? I am new to Wikipedia and english is not my first language, but am completely open regarding rewording it, adding more sources or working on a more detailed/factual sentence. Thanks a bunch! Snoupy147 (talk) 08:46, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 6 March

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Tech News: 2016-10

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Files on Wikimedia Commons can now be 2 GB big. The old limit was 1 GB. [9]
  • Welcome notifications now have a different symbol. English Wikipedia already had this one. [10]
  • The Wikimedia memory cache servers in the Eqiad cluster have now been upgraded to Debian 8 (Jessie). Some users might have had to log in again because of this. [11]
  • It is now easier to categorize images uploaded to Wikimedia Commons in the Commons Android app. [12]
  • Bare attributes in tags now parse according to the HTML5 specifications. <pages from= to= section=1> will parse as <pages from="to=" section="1"> instead of <pages from="" to="" section="1"> as it used to. Please use <pages from="" to="" section=1> or <pages section=1> instead. This is mostly likely to affect pages on Wikisource projects. [13]

Problems

  • Phabricator has been a bit unstable lately. This should be fixed now. [14]
  • The PageView API shows wrong data between 23 February and 29 February for pages with special characters in their title. [15]
  • The parsing change mentioned above caused a large number of pages to break, especially on Wikisource. [16]
  • You may see falsely formatted edit links on both mobile and desktop devices. Mobile devices can also show incorrect formatted table of contents. This should be fixed soon. [17]
  • Templates using TemplateData that were edited with the visual editor might have some problems in wikitext mode. This can be fixed by editing and saving the page by using the visual editor without making any changes. [18]

Changes this week

  • Cross-wiki notifications will be enabled as a beta feature on all wikis on 10 March. You will be able to get notifications when something happens on another Wikimedia wiki. [19]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 March. It will be on all wikis from 10 March (calendar).
  • Wikivoyages will get the Kartographer extension. Kartographer will allow <mapframe> and <maplink> tags in an article to insert an interactive map and overlay it with different markers. You can add ideas and suggestions to the Maps talk page. If you find any bugs, you can report them in Phabricator. [20]

Meetings

  • You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 8 March at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

  • The buttons in interfaces will be simplified. Instead of white, red, green and blue buttons, in future there will only be white, red and blue ones. [21]
  • The Wikimedia technical operations team plans to do some server work on 22 March. This could cause some problems, for example make it possible to read but not edit the Wikimedia wikis for a short period of time. The date for this might change. [22]

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20:24, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 7 March

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Dashawn "Happie" White

Hi I'm trying to get a Wiki done on Dashawn "Happie" White.. Do we need to have a label submit this ??

The above unsigned message was posted by 104.33.110.146 (talk) 7 March 2016 on the user's page User:Bgwhite (and moved here by CiaPan (talk))

CiaPan The article was rejected for the lack of references. You need to add refs in the article, not at the end. The article is also not properly formatted. Material needs to be combined inro paragraphs, not one sentence lines. Look at other articles as examples. Bgwhite (talk) 23:51, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
No.
I don't need to add anything. I know nothing about the subject. Have not even seen the article you talk about. --CiaPan (talk) 06:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 8 March

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A beer for you!

Hi Bgwhite, thank you for fixing the broken bracket problems which I inadvertently created. I think I used a buggy script.

Cheers Marek.69 talk 19:38, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Link breakage

This edit changed two instances of at [[London Victoria station|London Victoria]] to at]]London Victoria station|London Victoria]] thus breaking the links. Also, changing {{ubl}} to {{unbulleted list}} is an unnecessary cosmetic edit, falling under WP:NOTBROKEN. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:11, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Redrose64 you can disactivate the template change by yourself by editing WP:AWB/TR. I noted the bracket fix and I sent an email to Rjw hoping for a quick fix. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:36, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Redrose64 After this change, AWB won't affect the page anymore. Unfortunately, we can't 100% handle all scenarios. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:43, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

I don't like AWB diffs. It's so hard spotting the proper fixes - like duff brackets - when there is so much background noise, like bypassing redirects. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:00, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Redrose64 I don't like the template redirects page neither. It's initial purpose of slowly replacing some deprecated templates is changing or some editors are abusing it. But I don't have time to deal with it too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:07, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Redrose64 thanks for removing it. It's funny that I was who added it. :) I mostly add after some other person's request. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:20, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Vincent van Gogh

Hi Bgwhite. There's an interesting discussion going on there about referencing styles. I believe you contributed to it earlier and ruffled a few feathers. There's a perception that regular editors should have been consulted before a major change was made. I've seen you around and I am absolutely sure that you were acting with good intentions there, but you seem to have wound some people up a bit. I am just a regular editor trying to improve the article and this has turned into a distraction. Would it be possible to come over there and put some oil on the waters? I think we have an emerging compromise and it would be great if you could constructively add your opinion. Thanks a lot, --John (talk) 23:51, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

John Nope. Lingzhi passive aggressiveness will only get me riled up and cause problems. Bgwhite (talk) 00:25, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
I see. That's a shame. In that case I will consider your involvement in the article to be at an end. Thanks anyway. --John (talk) 07:21, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Bolding a table caption

This edit added bolding to the caption of the table. This is strictly unnecessary when inside a default table (as well as a wikitable), because the default styling is already bold. It correctly causes a double bolding in Firefox, which is generally undesirable. (I can point to the CSS spec for the former statement.)

I'm not sure if that was a manual change or one of the AWB/CHECKWIKI changes made, so I can't recommend a bugfix if it is indeed AWB causing the change. --Izno (talk) 19:59, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Poke. Do I need to go bug CHECKWIKI/AWB or was that a change you spontaneously made? --Izno (talk) 13:19, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Typos / Spanish

"Typo" fixes here were Spanish words. Rjwilmsi 10:42, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

I fixed two words. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:24, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Request

Please provide me with a link to the discussion in which your bot was given permission to remove spaces between bulleted list items. Thank you. BMK (talk) 11:39, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

@Beyond My Ken: here: Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BG19bot 9. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:42, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, I note that the task was approved "barring concerns", but Bgwhite has been running roughshod over any concerns expressed by other editors. I feel this task should be halted, or, at the very least, set aside if other editors express reasonable concerns. The accesibility "problem" is extremely minor, more of a petty inconvenience than anything else, and does not necessitate a drastic remedy such as this. If a space between bulleted items is good enough for WP:UAA, for instance, it's good enough for mainspace articles as well. BMK (talk) 11:57, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @Beyond My Ken: I wouldn't dismiss the comments by, for example, Graham87 (talk · contribs) as "extremely minor, more of a petty inconvenience". Also, who has said that WP:UAA is correctly-formatted, so what makes that an example of good practice? --Redrose64 (talk) 13:35, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

This appears to be the first comment on his talk page since the runs started. No particularly negative comment has been left at the BAG request, nor at WT:Accessibility, nor at WT:MOSAccessibility. Several such locations have in fact more positive comments than not. So I am puzzled how he has been "running roughshod". Can you explain your comment?

As regards its usability, when you have a user using assistive technology (Graham) saying it's not just a nuisance, I think your comment comes across as somewhat unenlightened.

UAA is a case of WP:OTHERSTUFF.

Do you have an actual concern with the change, given the discussion at the BAG request, and the solid rationale in other places for making the mass changes? --Izno (talk) 13:38, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it's a long list, dense with text, and it's extremely difficult to find the end of one section and the beginning of the next without the blank line in between. I do not regard the points made in favor of removing them as a "solid rationale" when there are equivalent points, just as valid, against it in specific circumstances. As Maslow said, when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. BG applied his hammer, I told him why it wasn't a nail, and he returned to re-hammer his point anyway, manually. UAA does it for a reason, and so do I when it is needed, not at all times in all places. The minor inconvenience to the small portion of our readership that uses screen readers is regrettable, but, in this case, necessary. BMK (talk) 21:45, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
You could put in HTML comments between rows where you want to leave space in the wikicode. That is a common technique in template programming, where white space often has meaning. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:19, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
In my edit summary, I gave "Discuss this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Accessibility#LISTGAP". If you go there, there are several examples of what Jonesey is talking about. Bgwhite (talk) 23:54, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
As SandyGeorgia previously noted, I don't usually come down equivocally, even on accessibility issues. I don't usually write a message like the one I did in this thread. Graham87 15:49, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

BG19bot edit summary

This change by BG19bot has an edit summary of "m (WP:CHECKWIKI error fix. Broken bracket. Do general fixes if a problem exists. -)" but that doesn't describe the change--there were no broken brackets and none were fixed. Did I miss something there? -- Pemilligan (talk) 03:03, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Pemilligan The list that the bot works on a list generated at 00:00. At that point the page has an unbalanced bracket that was fixed at 04:21 less than 2 hours before the bot arrived at the page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:44, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you -- Pemilligan (talk) 16:34, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Screwed up layouts

Hello! You seem to have screwed up some article layouts, such as here, especially regarding coats of arms which were nicely displayed before. I fixed one, then discovered more. Perhaps you'd like to clean all that up yourself? Would be nice. Thx! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:48, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Please! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 08:49, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

SergeWoodzing Bgwhite wont reply for the next 2 days but I think he fixed the problem manually already, didn't he? -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:45, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! Did you look, for example at the way the coats of arms are shown now on Prince Wilhelm, Duke of Södermanland? And compare that to how nice that looked before? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:06, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Looks like the problem was you were using repeated uses of <center> to put the caption centered below the image, which seems to work but looks in the code like an error rather than purposeful. Try doing this instead. postdlf (talk) 01:04, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for the tip and for fixing things there! I copied that procedure from another article where someone else had used it. The problem, however, seems to me to be that such an experienced editor as this one wouldn't check h edits to see if they looked OK. That's what left the layout looking bad, no? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:30, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 Fixed all now I think, with that method - thanx again! Please note that I wasn't trying to pass the buck. Four of those articles were never touched by me re: arms layout prior to the layout problem caused by User:Bgwhite not cheking h edits. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:37, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
The CENTER element (which was deprecated in HTML 4.01 and is obsolete in HTML5) is one of those for which the closing tag is mandatory; that is, for every <center> there must be a matching </center>. Also, there is no point in nesting <center>...</center> inside another <center>...</center>. To centre an image, it is normally better to use the |center option. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:29, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
OK, fine. So I shouldn't do it like this then? Now I got this and I don't know what to do with it. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:44, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
That error report relates to this edit for which the fix is to remove the extra square brackets. But have you tried {{multiple image}}? Two examples: 
{{multiple image |caption_align=center |align=center |direction=horizontal
|image1=Coat of arms of Prince Wilhelm, Duke of Södermanland (1884-1907).svg |width1=205 |caption1=Wilhelm's coat of arms as prince of Sweden and Norway, Duke of [[Södermanland]] 1884 to 1905
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This avoids the use of <center>...</center> entirely. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:14, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

@SergeWoodzing and Redrose64: I used table options be Multiple images template would be a better choice. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:20, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you both very much for helping! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 08:49, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

BgWhite- can you please explain why you keep deleting my work

Hi there! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Pl%C3%BCckthun Thanks for reviewing my page. This was my first attempt and I appreciate your input. However please let me load the page in its current form. A scientist and researcher is often best known by his work (and collaborations) and it is important that WIKIPEDIA supports this if we want to have a representative scientific base. I am not trying to create a CV but am making an attempt at eliciting the available information in an acceptable format. We need to allows audiences to recognise who the person is, and add further relevant content! Thank you in anticipation, for your understanding of my point of view on the matter. Regards, KamnaPruvost — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 12:46, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

KamnaPruvost Except the article doesn't need a long list of journal articles. You can convey the same information about his work without it, just like other articles do. Bgwhite (talk) 23:13, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

BgWhite Bgwhite : Hi again! I am not sure you understand that this is not a 'long' list at all for someone who has published over 300 articles. Also can you please point me to a Wikipedia policy that forbids contributors to put a list of work done by someone? I will be grateful for your help. I am not going to undo your changes until I hear from you, and I hope you will sen me the policy information so I am able to take appropriate action. Thank you. Regards KamnaPruvost

Regarding the references to papers, I have clearly seen those elsewhere, e.g. here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Baker_(biochemist) Here it is integrated in the references, which I would clearly like best, as it *does* support the claims of the work. Maybe you need to understand/appreciate the concept of “peer reviewed scientific publications”
Here it is also incorporated in the refs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruedi_Aebersold
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Jinek Here they are separately listed
KamnaPruvost Martin Jinek's article is from German Wikipedia, that doesn't count. There is a big difference between the two article you gave and what you are doing. You are adding a list of publications. The two articles have publications as references incorporated into the text of the article. Stop doing a listing. Use the two articles as an example. Bgwhite (talk) 18:25, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your patience. However must say I am still confused as LaMona said the opposite and my article was blocked as I had put the references. But please please, can you not just revert to an older version as I am continuing to work on the article. Please be patient as this is my first try. I have removed the name Plueckthun from the publications and have also given the work as 'examples'. Can you please help by commenting rather than just deleting my efforts? Thanks Bgwhite Kamna Pruvost — Preceding unsigned comment added by KamnaPruvost (talk • contribs) 12:59, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

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  • Wikimedia has a new backup data center in Dallas. Because of planned work on this, you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for a short period of time on both 22 March and 24 March. This could be postponed to April 18. You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. Because of a test, there will also be a couple of minutes where you can't edit the wikis on 15 March starting 07:00 UTC. You can read more about the server work. There will be more notifications and updates about this.
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18:37, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Youth 2000

I saw your major clean up on this page. I agree they are poorly sourced and seemed promotional. However, I think some of that should probably be brought back more along WP:NPOV to add content to a stub. I might have time for some source researching but I hoped you could help. Thanks! I would have asked the author but they seem like they did IP editing. >> M.P.Schneider,LC (parlemus • feci) 16:49, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

MPSchneiderLC Add back whatever you think is appropriate. Beware, there's also copyright problems. For example, everything in the ==YOUTH 2000== section has been copied. Unfortunately, I know nothing on the topic. Bgwhite (talk) 04:42, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Many thanks for useful pointers and corrections. Adam whitworth (talk) 09:44, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

COI and POV tags added by you

You added COI and POV tags to page Mohamed Ebrahim Fayad. I already tried to add enough references to subject's all books, publications and journals. This is my first page, can you please correct me where I am going wrong. Thanks -kj 16:28, 16 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kavishme (talk • contribs)


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If you are online ...

Could you semi-protect my talk page for a while? If so, thanks. Also you or someone might take a look at the WP:RFPP I filed just previously. Softlavender (talk) 10:17, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Hey thanks for that. New question, same IP hopper: Could you pending-changes protect Talk:Social work for a significant amount of time? The IP-hopper has literally vandalized (removing and/or editing other people's posts, and also blatantly lying) over the past three weeks and it's become nightmare for those trying to keep the talk-page clean. PP would let any legitimate IP posts through while allowing us to prevent vandalism. Thanks. (I can provide diffs of the vandalism if you want -- there are lots so I won't unless you request.) If you'd rather I take this to a noticeboard, I will; just let me know. Softlavender (talk) 01:23, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Four years ago ...
care of biographies
... you were recipient
no. 65 of Precious,
a prize of QAI!

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Social Work

IP 117.213.16.96 here, The IP-Hopper term seemed to be put for misleading and harassment. Above that the IP I used also was added to IP-Hopper by a certain editor Jim1138. It shows rogue nature and it seems to be in violation to Wikipedia:Harassment. Moreover that same editor seems to add IP's as it goes under the heading, when IP's are already shown. It would be more helpful if you can review the said editors attempts read along with http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-35787730 If such activities are validated for some certain sakes. This sort of anti-social attempts will continue to mask under policies. Even the edit history is also terms this IPs as rouge (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rogue) with vehement condescension which already shows siding(https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cassianto&diff=709619439&oldid=709619332) of that editor. If time allows, I would be glad if you can review it and provide a statement to that talk page regarding this subject and on other concerns raised in the talk page. 59.98.249.148 (talk) 17:11, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

I don't understand what you are talking about. I put protection on the talk page as vandalism was happening. You were removing posts of other users. IPs were vandalizing by removing templates on the page. On the article, Jim1138 was reverting you because you didn't add references to your additions and the you used learnhowtobecome on one paragraph. That doesn't look like a reliable source. You've been repeatedly told by multiple editors why your additions were not correct. Wikipedia works by consensus. 6-7 editors saying the same thing is consensus. It may or may not be right, but that is how it works. Bgwhite (talk) 17:41, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Upper cases for Templatenames in Templatetiger

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Omen V: The Abomination

Hi i was just wondering why you removed the sources for this article? Panglossx (talk) 08:53, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Panglossx I removed no sources from the article. All sources are still there. Bgwhite (talk) 08:56, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
I think that Panglossx refers to this edit. Panglossx, those are not "sources" in the Wikipedia sense, they're extra links, and are redundant since the ISBN magic (which is what you get if you type in ISBN 9780708827451 without a colon after "ISBN") already provides a somewhat more comprehensive list of book suppliers. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:44, 18 March 2016 (UTC)


Wicked, so next time it's an article on some kind of book I can search within wiki for ISBN....that's sweet. Thanks for your help with the article. The websites i was managing to find the isbn listed in were pretty limited, so that rocks. I'm gonna review the edits you made in a little while so I can learn the processes and protocols a bit better, and have les people cleaning up after me in the future ;) Cheers, guys..Panglossx (talk) 12:58, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

The article has now been deleted by Rjd0060 as an expired prod with concern Found nothing on it through a Google search, appears to be non-notable.. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:48, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

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  • In Firefox, the visual editor would sometimes just jump down to the bottom of the page when you double-clicked on a table cell. This has now been fixed. [27]

Changes this week

  • It will now be easier to list IP addresses that don't have to solve CAPTCHAs. [28]
  • You will now be able to mark Echo notifications as unread. [29]
  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 March. It will be on all wikis from 23 March (calendar).

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16:04, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Blank lines in indented lists

I saw you said that blank lines should not be put in indented lists. WP.LISTGAP said that colons could be used to put invisible lines into these lists, so I tried that. It didn't work. The lines disappeared altogether. I found another suggestion that asterisks could be used. As far as I can see, that works just fine. I hope it doesn't have unforeseen effects on people who use Russian keyboards, or whatever. DOwenWilliams (talk) 00:16, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

DOwenWilliams Could you tell me what page you are referring to so I could take a look. Bgwhite (talk) 00:42, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Sure. The Parabola article. If you check its history, you'll see the edits I made in the last couple of days. DOwenWilliams (talk) 02:54, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
DOwenWilliams Thanks for the article's name. What you had actually made it worse. The * made another list, so you had multiple lists containing one item. I've edited the page to add the blank space you were looking for and to make it one list of many items. I'm sure there are other ways of doing it, but this what popped first in my head. Bgwhite (talk) 04:38, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll try to remember to do it "your" way in future. DOwenWilliams (talk) 14:13, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @DOwenWilliams: It's not "Bgwhite's way", it's an accessibility issue, and is explained at WP:LISTGAP. Whatever symbol you use to mark up a list - colon, asterisk or hash - every line (and thus every list item) must begin with the same symbol, otherwise you get different list types intermixed - which causes no end of hassle for users of screenreader software. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:04, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes. WP.LISTGAP says (as I read it) that if colons are used to indent the lines of a list, then a colon on its own will produce a blank line. That makes perfect sense, but I tried it and it didn't work. The line disappeared altogether. If you look at the edits I recently made to Parabola, you'll see what I did, and what happened. Bgwhite later did a couple of edits which work just fine, but don't involve using additional colons. That's what I called his way. It certainly wasn't LISTGAP's way. It seems that LISTGAP needs improvement. DOwenWilliams (talk) 22:29, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Where it says "if a space is needed ..." that means a space in the edit window, not in the rendered page. In the rendered page, it simply isn't there, because HTML Tidy has detected the empty list item, and deleted it. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:13, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
But the purpose is to put a blank line in the rendered page. DOwenWilliams (talk) 02:25, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Then you need something that isn't going to be stripped out by either the MediaWiki software or HTML Tidy, and which won't cause accessibility problems.
 
Like that. But the purpose of WP:LISTGAP is to discourage blank lines, however they were intended. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:56, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
If the lines of the list are plain text, then blank lines aren't needed. But if the lines are mathematical formulae, with fractions, superscripts, subscripts, etc, extending well above and below the midline, then consecutive lines can get very close together and are not easily read. Putting a blank line between them makes them much easier to read and understand. DOwenWilliams (talk) 20:40, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

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BG19bot removes necessary breaks

Hello! I restored necessary breaks that your bot removed, but the bot still removes them and strangely makes a copy of the notification that I left: [31]. 84.249.169.81 (talk) 12:09, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

That second error is weird. Regardless, if you want the spacing fix you should leave a comment at Template talk:Video game timeline. I will poke at it later today or sometime tomorrow to increase the spacing. --Izno (talk) 12:42, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
Possibly appending &nbsp; after <br/> could prevent modifications of those entries? --CiaPan (talk) 07:28, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Oh, I forgot to ping you, Izno. --CiaPan (talk)

Linking to Danish Wikipedia

Hallo, While creating Edith Arendrup I found that we had a Danish Wikipedia article about her husband, though he was a redlink in English Wikipedia. I listed that as a "See also", as this seemed useful, but you deleted it. I've now found a way to link inline to the Danish article, but this now no longer shows a red link to inspire readers to create the English Wikipedia article. Is this the right way to do it? PamD 07:54, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

And on "nee": yes, I'm happy with your edit - I meant to go back and fix it later, must learn the keyboard shortcut for e-acute, as it would be quicker than messing round with "special characters". In Word my spellchecker fixes it for me. PamD 07:58, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
And, by the way, the formatting of this talk page made it impossible for me to comment while on my mobile - the template which provides the fancy border manages to suppress all "edit" icons except for the leading quote. Just for info. PamD 07:58, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
PamD Yes, you did it correctly. In certain cases, adding the {{ill}} template would be better. This shows the wikilink in red, but also gives the link to the Danish article. Once an article has been created, the link to the Danish article automagically goes away. Using the template in Arendrup's article would be the best option. Bgwhite (talk) 08:08, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, I thought there had to be a way to provide a redlink and a helpful link to the Danish article - done it now. I wonder what the Danish equivalent is, so I can reciprocate?! PamD 08:16, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
PamD It's the same name (ill) on the Danish Wikipedia as well as the same parameters. Bgwhite (talk) 08:20, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks - yes, I discovered that through the left-hand column, but then thought it seemed a bit pushy to create a redlink over there so used the other form of link - and Google translate for a Danish version of my edit summary (this edit). Thanks for your help. PamD 08:24, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
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