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Chin up

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		I've noticed your comments about the City of Sin and especially appreciate the pun of your account name. You should come along to a London meetup, where you will find that we are a reasonably convivial crowd and this might cheer you up. Andrew D. (talk) 08:31, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks User:Andrew Davidson! Really appreciate it, especially a relief to hear that Wikipedians can be convivial! I'll certainly see if I can make one :) AusLondonder (talk) 08:50, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Undercover: The True Story of Britain's Secret Police for deletion

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Nomination of Disenchantment: The Guardian and Israel for deletion

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A conflict of interest in that his editing seems to be almost all on the subject of Owen Jones, including the deliberate misinterpreting of sources (calling his critics "trolls who obviously never read the book"). See also this in which he parrots Jones' views without any sense of nuance. Imagine writing "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion describes the links between the different groups which form World Jewry. It explains their links and their common interest in promoting Zionist ideals, whilst often claiming to serve the public", or similar on Bat Ye'Or's Eurabia book '''tAD''' (talk) 10:01, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Very disappointed

User:MarnetteD, I am really shocked and disgusted at the way you reacted to my attempt to seriously and civilly discuss the matter with you. AusLondonder (talk) 19:53, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

User:MarnetteD - So you are seriously so inflexible that you cannot repeat your 'answer' (which you removed from your talk page) without ordering me off your talkpage in an aggressive manner? AusLondonder (talk) 19:58, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Younous Omarjee

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I dream of horses, I realise it is not required, but at WP:BLPPROD, it states nominators should 'Consider finding reliable sources yourself (See also WP:BEFORE).' before proposing deletion. A simple google search would clearly have demonstrated notability AusLondonder (talk) 08:39, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

You're right. My bad. --I dream of horses If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message. (talk to me) (contributions) @ 08:43, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

No worries, I dream of horses! Thanks for your reply :) AusLondonder (talk) 08:47, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Youtube personalities

Hi . When you're adding the {{Infobox YouTube personality}} to pages can you please not add date of birth unless it is already present on the article. You've twice now removed a notice saying that Youtube is not a reliable source and that adding a date of birth is not appropriate without supplying one. Additionally, the channel stats should not be exact as 1) it looks messy 2) it's correct for an extremely short amount of time and 3) it's pretty hard to maintain. Rounded figures in millions are more than sufficient. Cheers, Nikthestunned 11:27, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

User:Nikthestunned. I'm not quite sure what you mean. It makes perfect sense to add the birthdates. Please read WP:ABOUTSELF, which says social media is appropriate for such information. AusLondonder (talk) 11:57, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't when that information is something lie about often, or want to keep hidden for whatever reason (e.g., their own privacy). Check out WP:BLPPRIVACY for contradictory information to your own in a wikipedia policy (big surprise there). Nikthestunned 12:27, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Also, a Youtube video is not an appropriate source unless the channel itself is a reliable source, as per Wikipedia:External_links/Perennial_websites#YouTube. Nikthestunned 12:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Chantal Cauquil

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Hi User:Eeekster - did you consider doing a simple Google search? According to WP:BLPPROD, nominators should 'Consider finding reliable sources yourself (See also WP:BEFORE).' Subject is clearly notable per WP:POLITICIAN. AusLondonder (talk) 03:02, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

It's up to you to provide sources and notability has nothing to do with this. Eeekster (talk) 08:25, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

According to WP:BLPPROD, nominators should 'Consider finding reliable sources yourself (See also WP:BEFORE).'AusLondonder (talk) 08:26, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UK Independence Party leadership election, 2015

I have nominated the article for deletion. Please discuss there. --George Ho (talk) 17:31, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Nikolaos Moraitis

On the new page feed I found Nikolaos Moraitis you have him being born in both 1980 and 1957! Which one is it? (Considering the fact that the 2 dates are not even close!) Wgolf (talk) 20:11, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

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LGBT YouTubers

There is no rule that every occupational category which happens to have a couple of LGBT people in it automatically gets an "LGBT occupation" subcategory — under WP:CATGRS, we expressly limit that to the specific subset of occupations where the conjunction of LGBTness with the occupation is itself a WP:DEFINING characteristic in its own right. For instance, Category:LGBT writers is permitted, because their literary output is the genre of LGBT literature — but we conversely don't (and rightly shouldn't) have corresponding categories for "LGBT economists" or "LGBT nuclear physicists", as there's no evidence that the work of LGBT people in those fields is a distinct thing from the work of non-LGBT people in those fields.

As a rule, an LGBT-occupation category is not allowed to exist until you can actually write a full, properly sourced "head article" to support why the intersection is a notable grouping in its own right — if you can't do that, but instead the category is just serving as "people who happen to be two otherwise unrelated things at once", then the category isn't allowed to exist. Wikipedia categories do not exist just to make young people feel good, but are permitted only on WP:DEFINING characteristics. And accordingly, I'm really not all that concerned that it "disappoints" you — I'm willing to reconsider if you can provide actual proof that the intersection of LGBTness with YouTuberness is recognized by reliable sources as being a notable thing in its own right, but the mere fact that there are LGBT YouTubers does not automatically justify the category in and of itself. Bearcat (talk) 23:29, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

User:Bearcat, I think to suggest every LGBT writer automatically writes LGBT literature is stereotypical and false. How can you explain LGBT scientists, LGBT sportspeople, LGBT politicians, LGBT physicians, LGBT mobsters, LGBT military personnel, LGBT fashion designers, LGBT diplomats, LGBT directors, LGBT journalists, LGBT judges, LGBT lawyers, LGBT law enforcement workers, LGBT comics creators, LGBT broadcatsers, LGBT businesspeople, LGBT architects etc? Where are the head articles? Do LGBT judges give LGBT judgements? Do LGBT politicians only participate in gay politics?

Applying rules and regulations to the letter is rather disruptive. No need to let me know that you couldn't give a shit about disappointing me. It's patently obvious. AusLondonder (talk) 23:45, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

A book does not have to be about specifically LGBT themes to count as LGBT literature; the fact that it was written by an LGBT writer makes it relevant to the matter of LGBT literature regardless of what it is or isn't about. And an LGBT politician does not have to participate only in "LGBT politics" for their LGBTness to be relevant to their politics — the phenomenon of openly gay politicians being able to get elected to any office whatsoever simply did not exist before 1973, so LGBTness is still automatically noteworthy in and of itself in a politician. In addition to the fact that it's still a comparatively rare phenomenon in the first place, by far the majority of political offices around the world still have yet to be held by their first-ever LGBT incumbent. A person's work doesn't have to be exclusively LGBT-focused, to the point that it fails to have any non-LGBT components at all, to justify an LGBT-occupational category — the intersection just has to be relevant to their notability, not the entire crux of their notability in and of itself. Bearcat (talk) 23:52, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

That's your opinion, some LGBT make feel insulted to have their work defined by their sexuality, not its quality. The UK has 32 gay MPs in the House of Commons, see it is not relatively rare in the UK. Should all UK MP's be removed? Again, I ask you the about the other categories I have listed. AusLondonder (talk) 00:00, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

The vast majority of YouTubers are not LGBT, so if being a 'rare phenomenon' is enough, then the category passes. AusLondonder (talk) 00:02, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

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Abby Tomlinson

Since you're pretty much the only contributor to the article and it used to be a redirect, I thought I'd ask you about this on your talk page instead of making an AfD. Would you be willing to turn Abby Tomlinson back into a redirect, and add the information from it onto the article about Millifandom. This seems like a clear cut WP:BLP1E case to me as all her notability comes from her involvement in Milifandom during the 2015 General election. Bosstopher (talk) 20:14, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't agree that WP:BLP1E applies as she has subsequently received other media attention and written for notable publications like The Guardian and the New Statesman and appeared on the BBC. AusLondonder (talk) 15:34, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Nevermind you're right, I thought the only thing she's been doing is writing news articles (which I don't agree makes her notable), but it looks like she's been getting press attention for stuff like her role in the new labour leaders election. I apologise for being a bit too hasty. Bosstopher (talk) 17:35, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

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I need your advice on how to make a wikipedia page that will not redirect to another wikipedia page.

please help. I will really appreciate it. Zine ntleks (talk) 10:33, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Zine ntleks. Sorry for the delay in replying. What particular page are you referring to? Once you let me know this, it will be easier for me to assist you AusLondonder (talk) 02:02, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for the kind words, I'll see what I can do to improve the article :) AusLondonder (talk) 02:27, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination of The Racket (book) for deletion

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User:DGG I can only assume this nom is in relation to my justified criticism of you at the Unity deletion nomination? You demonstrated an astounding lack of competence then. In nominating an article that unquestionably meets WP:NBOOK for deletion you are once more demonstrating a worrying lack of competence. AusLondonder (talk) 15:11, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I saw it on NPP. I didn't look at who wrote the article. I intend to nominate for deletion articles on books which rely on two weak published reviews, but where the article is mainly devoted to quoting unreliable tributes & the publisher's description. Looking at them now, I see many of your articles fall in that category, but I'm going slowly. I've thought for years that a literal interpretation of NBOOK is too low a standard, but haven't tried to change it because there has been in the past been considerable restraint in applying it. I remind you of the rule in WP:N, that meeting the requirement does not oblige us to write an article if the material is better merged. DGG ( talk ) 19:04, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your replyUser:DGG but what you are doing seems rather WP:POINTy and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. However, please be my guest and nominate any book article you wish. All of your deletion nominations of my book articles have thus far failed. From Undercover: The True Story of Britain's Secret Police to Mafia State (book) to City of Sin: London and its vices. I cannot accept that most of the articles I have created use "weak" sources - The Racket uses The Guardian, regarded by most as a highly reliable source. It seems most editors agree with me in my interpretation of WP:NBOOK. AusLondonder (talk) 03:08, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Also, to suggest we are at risk of being inundated by book articles is wrong. Hundreds of thousands of books are published annually on a global basis. Comparativley few will meet WP:NBOOK. AusLondonder (talk) 03:24, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a compromise. Every person at WP has areas they think are overcovered and areas they think are undercovered. This is only partly a matter of the unintended consequence of our rules and is mostly a set of deliberate or implied value judgments about what rules to have and how to interpret them, (and generally they are applied quite inconsistently, depending on chance, or the relative strengths of whoever shows up to argue the individual cases). The only way to accommodate each others special interests are to compromise, and to give everyone a reasonable amount of what they want. I divide my efforts between trying to achieve a reasonable balance everywhere even if it does not accommodate my special interests, with some occasional preference concern for my own special interests, but I've learned not to push them. I don't think you even know what my special interests are, because I try to be as gentle as possible about them.

As a general matter, Wikipedia is undue structured to emphasise individual articles--partly because of the way in which the Googles highlight them. I think that's unfortunate--an encyclopedia is different from an encyclopedic dictionary, by being not chopped up into little pieces. The logical place to cover a routine book is in the article on the author, unless it is of particular importance. I don't agree with your choices here, but this is a side issue for me to some more critical matters. DGG ( talk ) 04:45, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

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Abuse of speedy

Neither 2003 Route 60 Hamas ambush nor SeaGlass Carousel fit the speedy deletion criteria. This is disruptive editing, please read WP:BEFORE.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:16, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

User:E.M.Gregory, I didn't nominate the Route 60 article for speedy deletion. WP:PROD is different to WP:SPEEDY. I believe the Carousel article is suitable for speedy deletion AusLondonder (talk) 00:20, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Under what criterion? Did you even run WP:BEFORE?E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:23, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Your last edit makes all clear. Your prod of SeaGlass Carousel was mere cover for an aggressive POV agenda: deleting articles on murder committed by Hamas. I do wish you would follow WP:BEFORE.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:23, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Again, I have not, nor have I ever, placed a WP:PROD tag on the Carousel article and your accusations of bad-faith behaviour are completely unacceptable. The Route 60 incident has been nominated for deletion in an open and transparent deletion discussion. No "cover" needed. Given your record of POV-pushing I wear your hilarious insults with pride. AusLondonder (talk) 00:28, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

AFDs

I assume that you intend to notify all editors who participated in the previous AFD. Not exclusively the nom, who - obviously - agrees with you.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:29, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

If you had bothered to check your own talkpage, you would notice that I notified you. I also notified the page creator and posted a message on the Talkpage of the previous AFD. AusLondonder (talk) 15:10, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

In other words, since you could assume that with you actively attempting to delete 2 articles I created, I would notice this AFD, you took the opportunity to notify an editor who would agree with you. In violation of Wikipedia:Canvassing. E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:33, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

You didn't create the Paros rape article, in case you forgot. Yes, you changed it fundamentally, including the title, without even seeking consensus. But you did not create it. I notified all those who participated via the talkpage. No requirement exists to notify each and every participant. Feel free to do so yourself. I notified one who would probably agree and two who wouldn't! Really clasping at straws now. AusLondonder (talk) 15:39, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

WP:WIKIHOUNDING

I do not know why you are WP:WIKIHOUNDING me. But I am asking you to cease.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:33, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

What the fuck are you talking about? If you resort to these pathetic diversionary tactics, you know we have a problem. AusLondonder (talk) 15:35, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

I can only assume you are trying to intimidate me and play the man, not the ball. Argue your case without resorting to your usual tactics of false claims of Wikihounding. You are the one repeatedly posting on my talkpage. AusLondonder (talk) 15:41, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

By yet again proposing SeaGlass Carousel for deletion (after another editor took the template down), you only make yourself look foolish. E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:49, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

At your request, I added a source from the other side of the world. Also removed word "new" - to which you objected - from lede. Seriously, though, what you need to to take a deep breath, a walk in the park, maybe ride a carousel. I worry that you're letting Wikiediting mess with your mind.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:59, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

The WP:DATED language was a valid concern as is the promotional style language. Maybe if I'm ever in New York I'll make a trip to your much-vaunted carousel. Although is a carousel ride calming, like meditation? AusLondonder (talk) 16:18, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

This one is.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:53, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Also, you are allowed to remove the WP:PROD tag if you wish AusLondonder (talk) 16:28, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning that. I like to create content, I really don't manage to keep up with the all of the rules.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:53, 31 August 2015 (UTC)