User talk:Andrea Jagher

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March 2011[edit]

Hi Andrea, I removed a couple of warnings from this page that were given by mistake. The problem was that (for example) here you quoted some text with guillemets, French-style quotation marks «like this». The person who left you the warning didn't recognize the quotation marks, since in English we use a different style of quoting "like this". So, he thought you had copied text improperly from another publication, which would of course be a big problem. The confusion at ANI is straightened out now, and it would be great if all problems on Wikipedia were this simple to fix ;-). We're sorry about any upset. However, to avoid further problems and to follow normal English writing style, I hope you can please remember to use the English-style quotation marks ("...") instead of «...» in the future.

Regards

71.141.88.54 (talk) 20:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.--Andrea Jagher (talk) 20:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your copy right violations[edit]

Informational note: this is to let you know that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Regards, The Resident Anthropologist (Talk / contribs) 17:29, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The thread is Editor violates WP:COPYRIGHT after warning. Frank | talk 18:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is what I was referring to above. It is straightened out now. 71.141.88.54 (talk) 20:05, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Howdy......[edit]

Howdy, I think we have had a bit of misunderstanding with "Guillemets." I just wanted to appoligize for dragging you to ANI over this misunderstanding. The Resident Anthropologist (Talk / contribs) 00:02, 7 March 2011 (UTC) has extended an olive branch of peace.[reply]

I agree with you: not so many dare to admit a mistake and even less are men enough to apologize for it then. Thanks.--Andrea Jagher (talk) 18:44, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please explain to me what the difference is for you if i use " " instead of « » and vice versa?--Andrea Jagher (talk) 18:44, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

« » are not normally used in English (they aren't even in the ASCII character set), so the vast majority of native English speakers will not recognise them as quotation marks. I guess the default interpretation would be that they are pretty angle brackets "< >", which have no special meaning associated with them. Francis Bond (talk) 05:27, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Francis, now I understand.--Andrea Jagher (talk) 19:21, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

it.wiki : Call for resignations[edit]

Hi, I fully agree with this idea/proposal: meta:Wikimedia_Forum#Call_for_resignations.

The key point is that admins are no way allowed to apply censorship/denial of service to a part or to the whole Wikipedia without having previously:

fulfilled a poll to the users of the Wikipedia project
asked WMF for legal support and agreed about the proper thing to do

All the italian sysops that decided the motu proprio strike have betrayed the faith of the users who chose them as admins. We now have to get them resign their sysops status and, altogether, decide a proper guideline that every admin will be compelled to follow when dealing with hot topics such as the freedom of Wikipedia itself.

Jimbo, I understand that - dealing with italian law and politics - you support the italian style action of dramatic blanking. I don't understand why you agree with the fact that this blanking has been done without consensus: (1) Italian editors have not been proposed any poll, (2) WMF has not been asked any suggestion nor legal support. Please be sure that admins of local projects, in the future, will no more be able to perform such a denail of service without consensus with editors and WMF. ZipoBibrok5x10^8 (talk) 14:54, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I am told that this was not a small group of admins, that it was discussed for a long time, and that there was strong support. However, having said that, I agree with you that in the future process should be much clearer, and actions like this should be taken in coordination with the Foundation and the wider community. One reason for that is so that we can time it to have maximum impact, give solid PR support from the Foundation, etc. This has never happened before, and we had no warning, so, you know, it's a little complicated.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:13, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

and moreover

I had a question about issue actually. I've been having a very hard time understanding how a process of discussion that even remotely resembles consensus building around this issue could have occurred while no one outside of the Italian Wikipedia was aware of it. It's just not possible unless the Italian Wikipedia is no bigger than a dozen editors. So in what manner exactly was this "under discussion in the Italian community for months," as Jimbo says? Like I said, I'm having a hard time understanding that, and maybe Jimbo or someone from the Italian Wiki can shed light on this.Griswaldo (talk) 15:07, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

These are good questions and I'm sure clear light will be shed on them in due course. I would love it if you would go and ask them and then report back here what you learn.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:16, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Talking ad Jimbonem is only a strong suggestion, but please get in touch and let's start a proper democratic - horizontal process where we will decide proper guidelines and proper reaction to this shameful event. ZipoBibrok5x10^8 (talk) 23:54, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]