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Replace/Displace

Could you explain the difference here or on the R188 (New York City Subway car) page? patsw (talk) 01:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Displace simply means move somewhere else on the IRT. Replace means scrap the old cars. That's not going to happen because the IRT has a slight shortage of cars. Don't forget that a large portion of the R188 order already exists as R142A cars. That means that the R188s will be swapped to the Flushing line from the main line, and the R62As will be swapped back to the main line. Acps110 ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:31, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Manhattan Bridge and Chrystie Street Connection

I did not want to get into an edit/revert war in the Manhattan Bridge article, so I chose to discuss it here.

The 57th Street Station is not considered part of the Chrystie Street connection project. According to the Wikipedia article on the connection, the only station that was part of the project is the Grand St. Station. Although I know that Wikipedia pages can not cite each other, discrepancies should be avoided.

I found the same thing when using an external source (nycsubway.org): the 6th Avenue Line article, which describes the connection, only says that the station was constructed to accommodate extra traffic. Although it, along with the express tracks on 6 Av, was a related project, the Chrystie project itself only concerned the connections from Broadway-Lafayette Street to Essex Street and the Manhattan Bridge.

Perhaps instead of

"The connection opened two new stations (Grand Street and, in July 1968, 57th Street – Sixth Avenue) and added express service on the IND Sixth Avenue Line.",

the sentence in question should read

"The connection, and other related projects, opened two new stations (Grand Street and, in July 1968, 57th Street – Sixth Avenue) and added express service on the IND Sixth Avenue Line."

Level Crossing (talk) 23:11, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Every source I've read says that the four tracks south of Broadway – Lafayette, the Sixth Ave express tracks and the two stations were all part of the Chrystie Street Connection. I'd like to see your source for "other related projects." Acps110 ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:37, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

For example, the NY Times article from Nov 26, 1957 (Ground is Broken for Chrystie Street Subway Link) mentions that "The route will enable BMT trains ... to go northward on IND tracks" and "this connection will be part of a $58 million project". This does not mean that the 6 Av express tracks are part of the connection, just that they are part of a related project.

Note that you need to be a NYT subscriber to access the full article.

Level Crossing (talk) 23:08, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

In addition, according to at least one external source (nycsubway.org), Dekalb Avenue is part of the BMT Brighton Line (http://nycsubway.org/perl/stations?193:3359). The Manhattan Bridge, which is the point where the tracks merge, is not really the Brighton or 4 Av Line anymore. In fact, according to the aforementioned website, the Manhattan Bridge is classified as part of the Brighton Line (http://nycsubway.org/perl/stations?193:1909), but not the 4th Av Line.

I have implemented my suggested changes in the article. Level Crossing (talk) 01:19, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't have any strong feelings for what to call the tracks north of DeKalb Ave. They could be considered the Broadway line's express tracks, or part of the Fourth Ave or Brighton lines. Acps110 ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:37, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: 42nd Street – Grand Central (IRT 42nd Street Shuttle)

Hello Acps110. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of 42nd Street – Grand Central (IRT 42nd Street Shuttle), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: R3 only applies to recent redirects. Use WP:RFD instead. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 19:21, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I tagged it as a misnomer. Grand Central or Grand Central – 42nd Street is what it is known as per the naming convention. Thanks, Acps110 ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:26, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I understand why you tagged it. Unfortunately, speedy deletion criterion R3 only applies to recently created redirects, and this one—and the many others you've tagged—has been around for years. If you'd like to delete them, try WP:RFD. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 19:32, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello. I just wanted to let you know that I declined a whole series of speedy requests similar to the one above. Like that one, none of them are recent, so R3 does not apply. Anyway, "misnomer" is not generally a sufficient reason to delete a redirect on Wikipedia. Even if the term is incorrect, it is still a useful redirect if some users might search for it. After all, not everyone knows the correct name of the thing they are searching for. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:51, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

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