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Paynters and Rundells



Paynter Family[edit]

Not sure about the link with the above. Needs further research.

13 Francis Paynter of Gwennap (1639 - 1720) = Agnes Leane (d.28 Jan 1748 at Saint Issey ) Marriage 19 Dec 1681 Gwennap, Cornwall.[1] A copy of his will is held at the Cornwall records office refernce number = AP/P/2516 Title Will of Francis Paynter of Gwennap[2]


14 Francis PAYNTER and Grace VIVIAN
According to "Burke's Landed Gentry", He was baptised in 1685. He was married (to Grace VIVIAN)[3] at Gwennap in South Cornwall. Grace was the dau. of Johnson Vivian and Elizabeth Davey of Camborne. Shartly after the death of his father, in about 1721-3, Francis got a job at St. Issey as a mine Captain at a Copper mine.

They had 4 sons and 2 daughters. He was buried on 12 May 1750 at St. Issey, but no headstone can be found.

Copper mining at St Issey[edit]

see also Mining in Cornwall

The mining was probably carried out at Carthew mine near Trevear Farm. Carthew Farm, at the head of Pinkson Creek, is the site of the old Phoenix mine, whose name changed to Carthew Consols in 1847.[4] It went out of production in 1853, but reopened in the early 1860s before finally being abandoned in 1867. Copper was mined here, and the ore was loaded down to the quay for shipment to Padstow and thence to Bristol.

A copper mine at Creddis was a small scale venture in Little Petherick.[5] The shaft at Creddis was no deeper than thirty fathoms and employed no more than forty men. Adjoining Creddis, but in the parish of St Issey, was the copper mine of Legossick'. This had a steam engine on it, being a large adventure, it employed many men. There were a few mines of this sort in the area; and one, Wheal Paynter showed a course of lead at twelve fathoms[6]

William PAYNTER and Elizabeth GLANFIELD/GLANVILLE[edit]

St Issey Church.
Memorial to William Paynter of St Issey who died in 1801.

William PAYNTER was baptised 16 January 1726. I know very little about William except that he married a (wealthy?) widow called Elizabeth HAWKEY (nee GLANFIELD). She came from Newlyn East. Her name was also spelt GLANVILLE. Her first husband was called Anthony HAWKEY who farmed at Nancolleth Barton near Newlyn East. At Anthony's death the farm was valued at 700 pounds . Anthony had an interesting will which is held at the CRO in Truro. The farm house at 'Nancolleth' burnt down after they lived there, and only part of a wall or wall remain, incorporated in the present house. Children by Anthony Hawkey and Elizabeth born at Newlyn East are Thomas Hawkey b. 1755, Robert Hawkey b. 1751, Newlyn and Anthony Hawkey b. 1753. [7]

William & Elizabeth were married in 1756 at St Issey.[8] They had 8 children (some of whom were baptised at Newlyn East sometimes shown as 'East Newlyn'). Elizabeth died in 1798 aged 70 years, William died 3 years later aged 75.

William and Elizabeth's memorial[edit]

There is a fine marble memorial to William & Elizabeth in the Church at St. Issey, erected by their son Samuel PAYNTER in 1813.

The Children of William Paynter and Elizabeth were baptised at Newlyn East.[9]

1 William Paynter (1756 - 1841) b: 1756 in St Issey = Jane Udey - 1832 (of Perlus Wadebridge)
2 Elizabeth Paynter (1759 - 1781) = John Hawke
3 Francis Paynter (1762 -1783)(Ancestor of Paynters of Stoke Hill House) =Sarah Whidbourne [10]
4 James Paynter (b.1764) (Went to Australia)
5 Johnson Paynter (1765 - 1841) in Little Petherick = Catherine Hender 1766 - b: 18 March 1766 in Egloshayle [11]
6 Hercules Paynter (1769 -1844) (Buried at Bunhill Fields cemetery, London)
7 Samuel Paynter (1774 - 1844) of Camborne House (Became High Sheriff of Surrey) second wife was Mary dau. of Richard Penn, Governor of Philadelphia
8 John Paynter

The traditional home of the PAYNTERs at St. Issey, was the Manor House which is right next to the church. It can be easily viewed from the road.

Before she married William, Elizabeth lived at Nancolleth Barton, Newlyn East with her first husband Anthony HAWKEY. She was widowed in 1754.

William & Elizabeth were married in 1756 at St. Issey. They had 8 children. Elizabeth died in 1798 aged 70 years, William died 3 years later aged 75.

Johnson PAYNTER (1765 - 1841) and Catherine HENDER[edit]

Little Petherick Church.
Egloshayle Church, where Johnson Paynter married Catherine Hender and where Betsy Paynter was baptised.

Johnson Paynter was born in 1765 in Little Petherick, His parents were William Paynter and Elizabeth Glanfield. He resided at before 1787 in St. Winnow, Cornwall, England. He was married to Catherine Hender on 29 Apr 1787 in St Issey. Catherine's parents were John and Mary Hender of Lanivet

Marriage of Johnson to Catherine Hender[edit]

Johnson Painter, sojourner, of the Parish of St Winnow and Catherinie Hender, Sojourner of this Parish [St. Issey] were Married in the Church by Banns this 29th Day of April in the Year One Thousand Seven Hundred and Eighty Seven by me H. Bradford. [12]

Signatures included. Note that Johnson signed his last name PAYNTER. In the presence of John Hawke and ?? Paynter.

Marriage Banns: Apr 8, 15, and 22, 1787

Occupation and land holdings of Johnson[edit]

Documents held in the National Archives, dated 1790 show that Johnson Paynter was a wool-stapler (A wool-stapler is a dealer in wool. The wool-stapler buys wool from the producer, sorts and grades it, and sells it on to manufacturers.) He held lands at Burlawn near Wadebridge.[13]

1st. March, 1790 (1) Johnson Paynter, p. Egloshayle, wool-stapler, and Catherine, his wife (late Catherine Hender, spinster), (2) George Borlase the Younger of Wadebridge, p. St. Breock, gent. Lands in Burlorne. Release of the Equity of Redemption Consideration: £33

Little Trevisker[edit]

Great Trevisker Farmhouse where Besty met her husband James Rundell in about 1810.
Map showing Great Trevisker and Little Trevisker.

The Paynters moved Little or Lower Trevisker in the parish of St Eval in about 1810. The house no longer stands but a footpath runs through what used to be the farm. The nextdoor neighbours at Great Trevisker were the Rundell Family. In 1811 their daughter Betsy married James Rundell.

There are several PAYNTERS buried at St. Eval & St Issey, but I haven't found a headstone for Johnson or Catherine.

The census of 1841 for the Civil Parish of St. Eval (which was carried out just monthes before Johnson's death) shows that Johnson Paynter aged 75, (Farmer) was living at (Little) Trevisker with his wife Cathrine Paynter (aged 75) Also at home was son Samuel Paynter (aged 40), John Paynter,(30) and three servants: Cathrine Rundell (22), Elizabeth Andrew (19), John Cocking (13), and Thomas Bennett (12).

Children of Johnson and Catherine[edit]

1 Betsy Paynter (1790 - 1877) b: 19 May 1790 in Egloshayle = James Rundell b. 05 August 1787 (1787 - 1839)
2 James Paynter (1792 - 1887) = Philippa Hellyar [14]
3 William Paynter (1794 -1895) = Mary [15]
4 Samuel Paynter (1797 - 1841) = Ann Hellyar (sister to Phillippa, below)[16]
5 Richard Paynter 1801 - (Twin) (died young)
6 Francis Paynter 1801 - (Twin)
7 Catherine Paynter (1803 1832) = Philip Mill [17]
8 Eliza Paynter 1809 - in St Eval = Gregory Tom 1809 - b: 1809 in St Eval [18]
9 John Paynter 1810 - b: 1810 = Phillippa Hellyar 1808 - b: 1808
10 Mary Jane Paynter
11 Thomas Paynter (1799 - 1863) in St Issey = Kitty Hawken (1811 - 1894) of St Ervan [19]

Will of Johnson[edit]

According to his will, Johnson died 18 October 1841. A copy of Johnson's will is held the cornwall records Office. serial= SO/W/869 Johnson Paynter died 18th October 1841, leaving the following sums to his surviving children.

Betsy = £1 James = £50 William = £50 Sam = £50 Thomas = £100 Francis = £100 John = £100 Kitty = £70 Eliza = £70

Generation 4. Betsy PAYNTER and James RUNDELL[edit]

Elizabeth (Betsy) PAYNTER was christened in May 1790 at Egloshayle. (Elizabeth's Mother, Catherine HENDER was also christened at Egloshayle)

Betsy’s parents lived at Lower (Little) Trevisker in the parish of St. Eval . The neighbouring farm was run by the Rundell family, it was called Great Trevisker.

Marriage by banns in 1811, at St Eval church[edit]

  1. 127, Banns of marriage between James Rundell & Betsy Paynter were published without impediment on Sundays April 7, 14 & 21st. Tho. T. Hamley.

The said James Rundell of this Parish and Betsy Paynter also of this Parish were Married in this Church by Banns this fourth Day of May in the Year One Thousand Eight Hundred & eleven by me Thos. T. Hamley, Min.

Signatures included. In the presence of Mary Old and James Paynter.[20]

The young couple went to live in an adjoining village called Penrose, where they worked for James Rundell's parents, Richard Rundell and Elizabeth Truscott. Later, they moved to Trescullion (now called (Roscullion) in the Parish of Little Petherick. They leased the farm for 40 years.

Roscullion[edit]

Roscullion farmhouse in the parish of Little Petherick, the home of James and Betsy Rundell from 1813 to 1854.
Old photo of Roscullion.

From 1813 to 1854 James and Betsy RUNDELL lived at a farm called Roscullion[21] (also known as Trescullion) which was lay just inside the Parish of Little Petherick. They leased this farm for 40 years. (The Farmhouse at Roscullion is still standing and can be viewed from the roadside.)

Census Records from 1851 show that Betsey Rundle (sic) was the head of the family (aged 60),and was farming 60 Acres at Trecullion (sic). Her children listed as living at home were: Catharine Rundle aged 31, Hercules Rundle aged 30, Johnson P Rundle 16, Mary J Rundle 17, they must have been well off enough to have a boy servant by the name of Richard Osborne,aged only 11(!)[22]

It was at this house that Betsy & James had fourteen children. Eleven children migrated to America. After the death of James in 1839, Elizabeth also migrated to America with two of her sons & two of her daughters. She went to live at Platteville where seven of her other children had already settled. Betsy lived at Mitchell Hollow near Platteville in a cottage (East House) near her daughter Eliazabeth RUNDELL (who was then married to George PAUL). Later she moved to north of Rewey, Wisconsin to live near her son Johnson RUNDELL. Eventually she moved back to live at Mitchell Hollow, where she died in 1877 aged 86.


The Family were devout Bible Christians, A branch of the Methodist Religion. Methodism was very popular in Cornwall at this time.

The 14 Children of James & Betsy (Paynter) Rundell[23][edit]

Name Born / Bapt Married Emmigrated Died Buried Aged
1
Eliza
Aug 18 1811
Stephen Carhart
1842
Sept 1902
Mapleton. IA
91
2
John
1812
Johanna Taylor
Dec 1897
St. Columb Major, Cornwall.
85
3
James
Oct 5 1814
-
Sept 1842
St. Eval, Cornwall
27
4
William
Apr 16 1816
1. Elizabeth Roberts 2. Elizabeth Hooper
3 April 1848 On the "Clio"
Platteville, Wisconsin Greenwood Cemetery
91
5
Betsy Paynter
Jul 3 1817
George Paul
1 Sept 1853 On the "Belle"
Mat 1897
Platteville, Greenwood Cemetery
79
6
Catherine
May 3 1819
Peter Biddick
11 April 1850 On the "Belle"
Jan 1908
Monfort, WI
88
7
Hercules Paynter
Dec 3 1820
Elizabeth Eddy
1 Sept 1853 On the "Belle"
Dec 1905
Boulder, Colorado.
85
8
Samuel
Nov 14 1822
Keziah Biddick
3 April 1848 On the "Clio"
Mar 1904
Livingston, WI.
81
9
Thomas
Aug 13 1824
Emma Foxen
3 April 1848 On the "Clio"
Dec 1884
Platteville, Greenwood Cemetery
60
10
Sarah
Nov 27 1825
-
Oct 1842
St. Eval, Cornwall.
16
11
Richard
Apr 30 1827
Hannah Biddick
11 April 1850 On the "Belle"
Aug 1904
Mifflin, WI
77
12
Ann
Oct 28 1829
Richard Biddick
11 April 1850 On the "Belle"
Apr 1918
Livingston, WI.
88
13
Mary Jane
Nov 14 1831
James Nichols (Widower)
1st Sept 1853 On the "Belle"
Apr 1896
Platteville, Hillside Cemetery
64
14
Johnson Paynter
Oct 9 1834
1. Martha Swiers 2. Alvira Ruble
1 Sept 1853 On the "Belle"
1923
Platteville, Greenwood Cemetery
89

James and Betsy's headstones[edit]

Headstone of James Rundell at St Eval.
Headstone of Besty (Paynter) Rundell at Greenwood Cemetery, Platteville Wisconsin.




In St. Eval Churchyard is a headstone.(right)


Erected to the memory of JAMES RUNDELL, Formally of Great Trevisker in this Parish, late of Trescullion

in the Parish of Little Petherick, Who departed this life on the 18th day of September A.D. 1839, Aged 52

Also to the memory of James his who departed this life on the 3rd day of September AD 1842 in the 28th year of his age.

Likewise to the memory of Sarah his daughter who departed this life on the ninth day of October 1842



Betsy Paynter RUNDELL (left) was buried in Greenwood Cemetery, Platteville, Wisconsin. U.S.A. (Lot 9, Block B)

Her obituary was published in the Platteville Journal on the 26 May 1897

Generation 5. John Rundell (1813 - 1897) married Johanna Taylor (1817 - 1877) had 12 children (below)[edit]

1. Jane Rundell (b.1842) = Harry Brimblecomb

2. John Taylor Rundell (b.1842) = Elizabeth Trebilcox

3. Mary Rundell (b.1844) = Thomas Moyse

4. Elizabeth Rundell (b.1845 = Thomas Harris

5. Samuel Paynter Rundell (b.1846 = Catherine Paterson (Australia) and New Australia

6. Sarah Rundell (1847 - 1868)

7. William Rundell (b.1847) = Jane Nichols

8. James Rundell (b.1848) = Elizabeth Benny

9. Ann Rundell (b.1849) = William Gigg

10. Emma Rundell (b.1849) = John Gregory

11. Thomas Rundell (b.1850) = Racheal Woon

12. Eliza Ellen Rundell (b.1860 - 1920) = James Ellery (b.1861)


  1. ^ IGI records
  2. ^ http://crocat.cornwall.gov.uk/dserve/dserve.exe?dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=3&dsqSearch=%28%28%28text%29%3D%27paynter%27%29AND%28%28text%29%3D%27gwennap%27%29%29
  3. ^ Vivians of Roskear
  4. ^ https://www.mindat.org/loc-240621.html
  5. ^ The history of Cornwall By Fortescue Hitchins, Samuel Drew
  6. ^ Cornwall by Claude Berry page 136
  7. ^ http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/CORNISH-GEN/2005-06/1118064743
  8. ^ Mariage of William And Elizabeth
  9. ^ http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/searchdb.php?yr=&pr=Newlyn+East&forename=&surname=paynter&father=&mother=&records=50&dbname=baptisms&Submit=Search
  10. ^ http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/8/9620.htm
  11. ^ http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/8/9865.htm
  12. ^ http://www.familyorigins.com/users/c/a/r/Jeanann-W-Carhart/FAMO1-0001/d17.htm
  13. ^ http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=021-t_1&cid=-1&Gsm=2008-06-18
  14. ^ http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/9/10120.htm
  15. ^ http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/9/10121.htm
  16. ^ http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/9/10122.htm
  17. ^ http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/8/10125.htm
  18. ^ http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/9/10126.htm
  19. ^ http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/9/10123.htm
  20. ^ Marriages - Details of record ID 402589
  21. ^ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gwphillips1/mai/img/maiimgrun19.htm
  22. ^ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kayhin/51905a.html
  23. ^ http://rundellbiddickassoc.org/rundell




Original Message -----

From: Noreen Nanz To: Philip Ellery Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Photos


Hi, Phil

Here is the photo of you and Pip.

I looked today at genealogy again and have a wedding day for Betsy and James Rundelll as 4 May, 1811 - is that what you have? I have Eliza (from Jean Carhart's website - thank you) as the eldest, with birthdate as 18 August, also 1811 - three months later. In the article you sent, the memorial article says James got married at age 26. That would be after several of his children had been born, and a completely different date. Interesting for a novel, depending on what's true. I'll ask for the last time and then not bother you any more about this - do you have anything on Betsy's parents and their attitude towards James and the Wesleyan revival? About her grandparents and background? Attitudes? Who her and his siblings were and DOB?

Thanks -

Noreen

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