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Long term combative editor, WP:OWN, etc[edit]

Hi, I mostly edit automobile articles, which is rarely the source of much strife. Facts are not too hard to come by for cars. Over the last few years, however, I find myself constantly knocking heads with one and the same editor. I have a number of issues with the editor in question, triggered by a long running disagreement over units. I will not ask you to judge this particular argument over metric versus imperial horsepower, because it might be too narrow for anyone to care about.

However, in the last few months I find myself constantly coming up against repeated combative behavior, behavior

quote by OSX, removing BMW content en masse

ownership by Carmaker1

Comment - most of these concerns are outside the scope of an AFC review. Nissan called it fuel injection, it may be Electronic Diesel Control. I am merely quoting published sources. Same thing for it not being particularly powerful, and generally durable as long as it doesn't overheat - I am quoting published sources.

Old[edit]

http://papers.sae.org/840055/

Myanmar auto market https://web.archive.org/web/20181121052345/http://myanmartimes.tripod.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?id=256&view=detail&search=mazda

issue containing content re Mazda B600[1]

Power and torque[edit]

The power rating for cars from metric countries should be shown in kilowatts (kW), with horsepower (hp) in parentheses. For metric cars built before 1972 or where the original unit as used in a majority of reliable sources is in metric horsepower (PS, also known as cv, ch, hk etcetera, depending on the country of origin) use metric horsepower first. Metric horsepower (PS) may complement hp in parentheses, to assist in verifying references or when the unit is closely linked with the vehicle. Be aware that sources frequently confuse metric and imperial horsepower since they are very similar.

American cars will use horsepower (hp) with kilowatts (kW) in parentheses, and British cars will use brake horsepower (bhp) with kilowatts (kW) in parentheses.

The torque rating for cars from metric countries should be shown in Newton metres (N·m), with pound-feet (lb·ft, not ft·lb or ft·lbf) in parentheses. Cars from America, Great Britain and other imperial countries should have the torque stated in pound-feet (lb·ft), followed by Newton metres (N·m) in parentheses. If reliable sources use kilopondmetres, use a conversion template to get the correct output while maintaining N·m as the leading unit. There is usually no need to include the value in kg·m.

Examples:

Home market Power Torque
template output template output
Europe, Japan, etc. {{cvt|100|PS|kW hp|0}} 100 PS (74 kW; 99 hp) {{cvt|18.4|kgm|Nm lbft|0|order=out}} 180 N⋅m (133 lb⋅ft)
{{cvt|74|kW|PS hp|0}} 74 kW (101 PS; 99 hp) {{cvt|180|Nm|lbft|0}} 180 N⋅m (133 lb⋅ft)
United States {{cvt|100|hp|kW|0}} 100 hp (75 kW) {{cvt|133|lbft|Nm|0}} 133 lb⋅ft (180 N⋅m)
Great Britain {{cvt|100|bhp|kW|0}} 100 bhp (75 kW) {{cvt|133|lbft|Nm|0}} 133 lb⋅ft (180 N⋅m)

When converting units, use of the {{cvt}} template with the "order=flip" or "order=out" option allows the units to be displayed in the desired order while avoiding any conversion inaccuracies, e.g. {{cvt|100|PS|kW|0|order=flip}} results in "74 kW (100 PS)"; otherwise use of {{cvt|74|kW|PS|0}} results in the inaccurate result of "74 kW (101 PS)".

Mitsubishi Indonesia[edit]


XE Falcon GL Wagon

T100 yg dibilang ak4ng apakah ada msk indo? Koq saya gak pernah nemuin. Kalo berdasarkan parts katalog KTB gen PU urutannya: 1. Colt T120 (73-77) 2. Colt T120 (78 up) - yg ini gak ada dikatalog. 3. Colt Minicab L100 (80-82). 4. Colt L300 bensin 1400cc (81-83) 5. Colt L300 bensin 1600cc (84-00) 6. Colt L300 diesel 2300cc (84-88) 7. Jetstar (86 - unknown) 8. Colt L300 diesel 2500cc (88- now)

great paper, lots of stuff re suzuki and kijang and others

73 PS (53.7 kW) 1,080 kg (2,381 lb) 117 km/h (73 mph) 13 kg⋅m (127 N⋅m; 94 lb⋅ft)

Peugeot 404[edit]

  • style="text-align:center;"|148

|style="text-align:center;"|92

  • style="text-align:center;"|114.74

|style="text-align:center;"|84.63

  • style="text-align:center;"|1,150

|style="text-align:center;"|2,535 57 PS (42 kW)

Peugeot 404 (1960-75)
Version Model Code Bodystyle Engine Size
cc 		Fuel feed Power Torque Brakes
front/rear 		Weight Top Speed Years
produced
hp kW / rpm Nm lbft / rpm kg lb km/h mph
Petrol-engined models
404
berline administration		 404 A8 Saloon XB2 1468 Carburator SAE: 66
DIN: 60		 49
44		 5000 SAE: 112
DIN: 107		 82
79		 2,500 drum/drum 1,070 2,357 135 84 1964-09.67
404/8 Confort 404/8 disc/drum 09.67-02.72
404 Commerciale 404 U6 Station wagon drum/drum 1,150 2,535 125 78 07.62-63
XB5 1963-09.70
404 U6S XC7 1618 SAE: 73
DIN: 68		 54
50		 5600
5400		 SAE: 127
DIN: 118		 94
87		 2500 disc/drum 1,190 2,624 135 84 09.70-71
404 GT 404 berlina XC 1618 Carburator SAE: 72
DIN: 65		 53
48		 5400 SAE: 127 94 2250 drum/drum 1,070 2,359 142 88 1960-09.64
XC5 SAE: 76
DIN: 70		 56
51		 5600 SAE: 130 96 2500 146 91 09.64-66
XC6 SAE: 80
DIN: 74		 59
54		 5600 SAE: 132 98 2500 1,080 2,381 150 93 1966-10.68
disc/drum 10.68-09.70
XC7 SAE: 73
DIN: 68		 54
50		 5600
5400		 SAE: 127
DIN: 118		 94
87		 2500 1,100 2,425 148 92 09.70-05.75
404 SL 404 berlina XC 1618 Carburator SAE: 72
DIN: 65		 53
48		 5400 SAE: 127 94 2250 drum/drum 1,070 2,359 142 88 1961-09.64
XC5 SAE: 76
DIN: 70		 56
51		 5600 SAE: 130 96 2500 146 91 09.64-66
XC6 SAE: 80
DIN: 74		 59
54		 5600 SAE: 132 98 2500 1,080 2,381 150 93 1966-68
404 C coupé XC SAE: 72
DIN: 65		 53
48		 5400 SAE: 127 94 2250 1,125 2,480 150 93 1962-09.64
XC5 SAE: 76
DIN: 70		 56
51		 5600 SAE: 130 96 2500 153 95 09.64-66
XC6 SAE: 80
DIN: 74		 59
54		 5600 SAE: 132 98 2500 1,130 2,491 157 98 1966-68
cabriolet XC SAE: 72
DIN: 65		 53
48		 5400 SAE: 127 94 2250 1,080 2,381 148 92 1961-09.64
XC5 SAE: 76
DIN: 70		 56
51		 5600 SAE: 130 96 2500 150 93 09.64-66
XC6 SAE: 80
DIN: 74		 59
54		 5600 SAE: 132 98 2500 155 96 1966-68
404 Injection 404 KF Saloon XCKF 1618 Mechanical
fuel injection		 SAE: 85
DIN: 80		 SAE: 63
DIN: 59		 5500 SAE: 137 101 2800 drum/drum 1,080 2,381 155 96 1961-63
XCKF1 1963-09.64
XCKF2 SAE: 96
DIN: 88		 71
65		 5700 SAE: 141 104 2800 160 99 09.64-68
404 CKF Coupé XCKF SAE: 85
DIN: 80		 SAE: 63
DIN: 59		 5500 SAE: 137 101 2800 1,100 2,425 158 98 1962-63
XCKF1 1963-09.64
XCKF2 SAE: 96
DIN: 88		 71
65		 5700 SAE: 141 104 2800 167 104 09.64-68
Convertible XCKF SAE: 85
DIN: 80		 SAE: 63
DIN: 59		 5500 SAE: 137 101 2800 1,075 2,368 158 98 1961-63
XCKF1 1963-09.64
XCKF2 SAE: 96
DIN: 88		 71
65		 5700 SAE: 141 104 2800 167 104 09.64-68
404 Break SL 404 L XC5 TH Station wagon XC5 1618 Carburetor SAE: 76
DIN: 70		 56
51		 5600 SAE: 130 96 2500 drum/drum 1,175 2,590 140 87 09.64-66
404 L XC6 TH XC6 SAE: 80
DIN: 74		 59
54		 5600 SAE: 132 98 2500 1,190 2,624 145 90 1966-10.68
disc/drum 10.68-09.70
404 L XC7 TH XC7 SAE: 73
DIN: 68		 54
50		 5600
5400		 SAE: 127
DIN: 118		 94
87		 2500 138 86 09.70-71
404 Familiale 404 L XC TW Station wagon XC 1618 Carburetor SAE: 72
DIN: 65		 53
48		 5400 SAE: 127 94 2250 drum/drum 1,175 2,588 135 84 07.62-09.64
404 L XC5 TW XC5 SAE: 76
DIN: 70		 56
51		 5600 SAE: 130 96 2500 140 87 09.64-66
404 L XC6 TW XC6 SAE: 80
DIN: 74		 59
54		 5600 SAE: 132 98 2500 1,190 2,624 145 90 1966-10.68
disc/drum 10.68-09.70
404 L XC7 TW XC7 SAE: 73
DIN: 68		 54
50		 5600
5400		 SAE: 127
DIN: 118		 94
87		 2500 138 86 09.70-71
Diesel-engined models
404 Diesel 404 D Saloon XD88 1948 Naturally
aspirated
diesel		 SAE: 68
DIN: 60		 50
44		 4500 SAE: 119 88 2250 drum/drum 1,150 2,535 130 81 1963-09.72
SAE: 65
DIN: 57		 48
42		 4500 - - - 128 80 09.72-05.75
404 Familiale
Diesel		 404 LD Station wagon XD85 1816 SAE: 55
DIN: 50		 40
37		 4000 SAE: 108 80 2250 1,250 2,756 120 75 07.62-64
XD88 1948 SAE: 68
DIN: 60		 50
44		 4500 SAE: 119 88 2250 1,170 2,579 128 80 1964-05.75
404 Commerciale
Diesel		 404 U6D Station wagon XD85 1816 SAE: 55
DIN: 50		 40
37		 4000 SAE: 108 80 2250 1,225 2,701 110 68 07.62-65
XD88 1948 SAE: 63
DIN: 53		 46
39		 4000 SAE: 115 71 1965-05.75

Dopo la tabella relativa alle versioni europee, ecco una tabella riepilogativa inerente alle versioni prodotte e commercializzate in Argentina:

Modello Carrozzeria Motore Cilindrata
cm³ 		Potenza
CV/rpm 		Coppia
Nm/rpm 		Freni ant./post. Massa a vuoto
(kg) 		Velocità
max 		Anni di
produzione
Versioni a benzina
404 berlina XC6B 1618 64/5400 128/2500 T/T 1.070 147 1962-64
65/5400 1964-67
404 L 73/5400 137/2800 150 1967-69
404 GL/SL D/T - T/T 404 S 1969-81
404 Gran Prix/Le Mans 1970-78
404 S XC5 S 115/6400 - - 185 1964-65
404 Rural Break XC6B 65/5400 128/2500 T/T 1.175 135 1963-64
404 Pick-Up Pick-up 73/5400 137/2800 1.220 130 1973-79
Versioni a gasolio
404 Diesel berlina XD88 1948 45/3000 118/1500 D/T 1.150 120 1971-80
404 Pick-up Diesel Pick-up T/T 1.250 110 1973-79

Franco Chilena[edit]

Automotores Franco Chilena S.A. The operation started to lose momentum as import licenses for automotive parts were cancelled and replaced with an 11 percent tariff. This made locally made cars about twenty percent more expensive than ones imported fully-built-up from France, meaning that the writing was on the wall for the enterprise.[2]

Automobile manufacturers and products[edit]

Market profile[edit]

Cheaper and simpler cars are naturally preferred, as is the case for most markets at the same developmental stage as Indonesia.

While many Western brands are present, as well as certain others, Japanese brands have long had a dominant position in Thailand. In 1978 and 1982, for instance, Japanese brands received 91 and 90 percent shares.[3] In 2006, they still had a 88.5 percent share, in spite of the late entries of Ford, General Motors, Volkswagen, and BMW.[4]

Light and medium trucks, as well as microvans, also provide the basis for the ubiquitous Songthaew (Share taxis) which provide much of the local transport requirements in Thailand. Modes of transport in Thailand consist of a multitude of different solutions ranging from elephants to airplanes, but passenger cars have been steadily increasing in popularity.

General Motors[edit]

Having had an early presence in Thailand since the creation of Bangchan Motors in 1970, General Motors withdrew in the late seventies as the Vietnam War, Thai domestic stability, and the energy crisis all threatened their ability to do business.[5] After having left in 1977,[3] General Motors Thailand (GMT) returned in 2000, subsequent to the elimination of local content requirements.[6] They have since offered a combination of Opels, Daewoos, and Holdens with Chevrolet badging.

General Motors placed the production of the Chevrolet Zafira (Opel) to Thailand, originally with the intention of supplying the local ASEAN markets only. After the 1997 Asian financial crisis and resulting market collapse this aim had to be adjusted, and by 2002 90% of the production of General Motors' Rayong plant was being exported, as far away as Europe and Chile.[7] The Zafira also marked a notable first for the Thai car industry, when it became the first finished car to be exported to Japan (as the Subaru Traviq).[7] The Zafira was built in Thailand from May 2000 until 2005. Various Daewoos and Isuzu pickup trucks are also provided with Chevrolet badging, as is the Holden Commodore ("Chevrolet Lumina").[8] GMT also assembled the Alfa Romeo 156 in 2002-2004, a result of Fiat and GM's strategic alliance.[9]

Honda[edit]

Honda only began assembling cars in Thailand in 1984, by a company called Banghan General. Banghan continued to do so under license until 2000, even though Honda established their own parallel production by Honda Cars Manufacturing Thailand in 1992. This company, with 91.4% Honda ownership, then changed its name to Honda Automobile (Thailand) in 2000. The most famous model of Honda Thailand is the 1996 City, a small sedan developed especially for the ASEAN markets and not intended for sale in Japan. Nonetheless, the second generation City (2002) has been exported to Japan as the Honda Fit Aria since its introduction.[10]

Isuzu[edit]

Isuzu MU-7 SUV

Isuzus have been built in Thailand since 1963 by the Isuzu Assembling Plant. The company became "Isuzu Motors Co. (Thailand)" in 1966, and built their first pickup trucks in 1974.[10] The Thai-only Isuzu Vega SUV was built from 1998 until 2002. The larger and more rounded MU-7 SUV can seat six or seven and appeared in November 2004.

Mazda[edit]

The first Mazdas assembled in Thailand were three-wheeled commercial vehicles, in 1950.[10] In 1974 "Sukosol and Mazda Motor Industry" was founded, opening Mazda's first knock-down assembly plant in 1975. In 1998 the AutoAlliance Thailand (AAT, formed in 1995) automobile assembly plant was opened, a joint venture between Ford Motor Company and Mazda Motor Corporation in Rayong province, Thailand. AAT builds compact pickup trucks and SUVs primarily for the South-East Asian market, with exports to other developing markets and Europe as well. The Mazda 323 Protégé was produced between January 2000 and 2002,[11] but was replaced with imports from the Philippines as a result of market liberalizations.

Suzuki[edit]

Main article: IndoMobil Suzuki International

PT. IndoMobil Suzuki International is a joint venture between Suzuki Motor Corporation and the IndoMobil Group. The company is located in Jakarta, Indonesia and specialized in manufacturing Suzuki vehicles for the local market. Their first product was the ST20 Carry, which saw extensive use as an Angkot.[12] Suzuki's first Indonesian activity was in 1970 through its import firm PT. Indohero Steel & Engineering Company. Six years later they had built their manufacturing facility in Jakarta, which is the oldest part of the IndoMobil Group.

Since 2004, Suzuki Indonesia's APV (All Purpose Vehicle) budget MPV has been assembled exclusively in Indonesia. Designed in Japan, it is exported to numerous countries since 2005, to the ASEAN and beyond. As with many other IndoMobil Suzuki products it is also available with Mitsubishi badging (as the "Maven").

Toyota[edit]

PT. Toyota Astra Motor (TAM) was founded in April 1971.[13] Vehicle production began in September 1974 at the PT. Multi-Astra manufacturing subsidiary.[13] Toyota Indonesia's most famous product is the Kijang series of light trucks and vans. The Kijang, developed from the Philippine market Tamaraw Revo of 1976, has spawned an entire range of vehicles and are now built in a number of Asian countries including India. The Kijang was one of a series of BUV's, or Basic Utility Vehicles, developed for developing markets by several global manufacturers in the 1960s and 1970s.

Currently Toyota Astra Motor's production is carried out by PT. Toyota Motor Manufacturing Indonesia (TMMIN), which consists of the erstwhile PT. Multi-Astra as well as PT. Toyota Mobilindo (which was established in December 1976 with production commencing in May 1977).

References[edit]

  1. ^ "Miniscule auto industry, but numbers on the rise". The Myanmar Times. 11 (204). 2004-02-16. {{cite journal}}: |archive-url= requires |archive-date= (help)
  2. ^ Diaz, Vladimir (2020-06-25). "¿No lo sabía?: Hace 50 años se fabricaban automóviles en Los Andes" [You didn't know? 50 years ago automobiles were manufactured in the Andes]. El Andino. Archived from the original on 2020-12-14.
  3. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference Ueda6 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ Ueda, p. 7
  5. ^ Cite error: The named reference Fuj153 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  6. ^ Cite error: The named reference jbic was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  7. ^ a b Piszczalski, Martin (2002-04-01), "Thailand Tales: Profits Still Elusive", Plastics Technology, Gardner Business Media, retrieved 2012-11-25
  8. ^ World of Cars 2006·2007, p. 271
  9. ^ "Equipment Boost For 2002 Alfa Romeo 166". www.autoweb.com.au. Archived from the original on 2011-07-06. Retrieved 2007-05-08.
  10. ^ a b c Cite error: The named reference WC06272 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  11. ^ Kasuga et al, p. 34
  12. ^ Trisulo, Bambang; Samudra, M; Firmansyah, Arif (2003). Arsip mobil kita: Tamasya sejarah seabad perjalanan mobil di Indonesia (in Indonesian). Jakarta: PT Temprint. p. 109. ISBN 9789799768506. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)
  13. ^ a b "Overall Chronological Table: 1971-1980". 75 Years of Toyota. Toyota Motor Corporation. Retrieved 2014-01-18.
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