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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:12, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Type of Constans[edit]

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... that Pope Martin I was abducted and tried for high treason because of his opposition to the Type of Constans? Source: Bury, John B., A history of the later Roman empire from Arcadius to Irene, Volume 2. London: Macmillan (2005) ISBN 1-4021-8368-2 pg. 296; Siecienski, Anthony Edward (2010). The Filioque: History of a Doctrinal Controversy. Oxford University Press. ISBN 0195372042 pg. 74.
- ALT1:... that after his death, Pope Honorius I was excommunicated by the Sixth Ecumenical Council because of his support for the Type of Constans? Source: Norwich, John J., Byzantium: The Early Centuries. (1988) London: Penguin ISBN 0-670-80251-4 pg. 326.

Reviewed: QPQ up to date, see here. Review being 'cashed in' is Template:Did you know nominations/Bruce McArthur.

Improved to Good Article status by Gog the Mild (talk). Self-nominated at 20:16, 16 June 2018 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Sorry for the delay. I did the GA review of this article. The first source checks out. I am pretty sure that the second citation is also legitimate, but because I obtained an Epub version of it without page numbers, I would request a quote so I can trace it. Also, I have added a comma to the ALT1 hook, so it reads better. Finally, you might want to replace support for by support of, which seems more common. Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 23:57, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

@Farang Rak Tham: No need to apologise. This is one of the faster reviews I have had.

"Norwich, p 326: "The Council was to hold eighteen plenary sessions... the almost unanimous findings... Those who maintained otherwise were condemned and cursed – including the now defunct Pope Honorius."

Thanks, found it. I hate to be fuzzy, but condemned and cursed isn't quite the same as excommunicated—do you have another source to indicate a formal excommunication?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:17, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

@Farang Rak Tham: Actually it is. "Excommunicate" is a modern word. "Curse and condemn" was the form of words and it was known as anathematization. However, I take your point. Try Ostrogorsky, George, History of The Byzantine State. New Brunswick: Rutgers University Press. (1957) OCLC 422217218, p 114. "the Patriarchs Sergius, Pyrrhus and Cyrus and Pope Honorius, were excommunicated." Gog the Mild (talk) 11:30, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Okay, confirmed.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:01, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the comma.
I would prefer to keep "for". However, I have tweaked ALT1 to avoid two for's and to, I think, read a little more smoothly. What do you think? Gog the Mild (talk) 09:04, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Good, great! Gog the Mild.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:17, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Passing both hooks.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:01, 18 June 2018 (UTC)