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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 23:39, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

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True Pole

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Created by Lembit Staan (talk). Nominated by Buidhe (talk) at 09:13, 1 November 2020 (UTC).

  • Date, size, refs, neutrality, hook, copyvio spotcheck, QPQ, all ok, with a strong preference to the short main hook. ALT2 is from a newspaper and debatable, and alt1 is historical trivia about a single individual. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:55, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Please provide an inline cite for the hook fact in the article per WP:DYK#Cited hook. Yoninah (talk) 19:48, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
    • @Yoninah:The correct hook would be ALT0a: ... that a stereotypical True Pole is a Roman Catholic? ( only at the beginning of the 20th century they came to mean the declaration that the only proper Pole ought to be a Catholic - Brian Porter-Szűcs, "The Birth of the 'Polak-Katolik'", Sprawy Narodowościowe, no. 49, 2017, doi:10.11649/sn.1280 Lembit Staan (talk) 06:16, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
  • @Lembit Staan: this is a hook, designed to catch the reader's eye and get him to click on the article to read more. But we cannot promote it without an inline cite for the hook fact in the article. This applies to this sentence: A particular trait of "True Poles" is their adherence to Roman Catholicism. If this is not cited by the end of this week, the nomination will be marked for closure as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 17:15, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
    • I already answered: "the only proper Pole ought to be a Catholic". If you have problems with comprehension, not my problem. I dislike DYK anyway. Lembit Staan (talk) 17:48, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
  • It has been 2 weeks since I requested an inline cite for the hook fact. Has this nomination been abandoned? Yoninah (talk) 12:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
  • It has been FOUR weeks since I answered the request: it is Brian Porter-Szűcs, footnoted in the article. You really have troubles with reading comprehension. Lembit Staan (talk) 17:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Lembit Staan, it has recently been suggested to me that editors who feel it's okay to drag DYK and DYK reviewers through the mud should have an automatic fail on their nomination. That might be an idea here.
  • Meanwhile, I am not talking to you. I am addressing Buidhe, the nominator of the original hook which has been approved and seconded by one of our regular reviewers. But this sentence needs an inline cite to verify the hook fact: As a popular saying, among several versions, goes, "prawdziwy Polak to katolik" ("a true Pole is a Catholic").. Yoninah (talk) 18:02, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Lembit Staan Oh, you seem to think that I wanted a cite placed on this template? No, it needs to be added to the article. Yoninah (talk) 18:03, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
  • The original hook is false statement and nothing in the hook identifies it as such. (Imagine the DYK for blood libel says "...that Jews extract blood from Christian children"). I suggested the correct version of the hook, ALT0a (also approved by the reviewer). That said, you didnt identify which exactly sentence needs a footnote, hence the miscommunication. The sentence I cited, "the only proper Pole ought to be a Catholic" does support the hook as well, hence my previous answer. The sentence you want does have a reference a bit below. We dont' put footnotes on every word, do we? Anyway, I am duplicating it. Lembit Staan (talk) 18:30, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
  • P.S. questions for refs must be directed to article author, not the nom. The nom is not supposed to know the subject, they only find it interesting. Therefore I am answering. Lembit Staan (talk) 18:30, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
  • OK, thank you for the explanation. I will take another look at this later.
  • I had no idea you were the page creator because the name given above is a redlink. Should I change the credit line on this template? Yoninah (talk) 18:34, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
    • Apologies for all that happened here. Yes, I changed my name recently. Redlink fixed. I am not particularly proud of this article. I created it to make a point :-) in discussions about the "True Scotsman". Next thing, I will probably write about the "True Russian". Lembit Staan (talk) 22:12, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I was under the impression that Piotrus's remark, Seems fine to me (for the record) was referring to ALT0. But no matter. ALT0a is cited to an offline source and cited inline. Restoring tick for ALT0a. Striking unused hooks. Yoninah (talk) 20:51, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
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