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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:37, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

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The Holy Land, Syria, Idumea, Arabia, Egypt, and Nubia

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Jerusalem in 1839, from Roberts' The Holy Land
Jerusalem in 1839, from Roberts' The Holy Land
  • ... that David Roberts' The Holy Land, a collection of 250 "orientalist" lithographs (example pictured), was the most pervasive 19th century rendering of the East circulated in the West? Source: Wharton, Annabel Jane (15 August 2006). Selling Jerusalem: Relics, Replicas, Theme Parks. University of Chicago Press. p. 162. ISBN 978-0-226-89422-5.: "Roberts's lithographic series has proved to be the most pervasive and enduring of the nineteenth-century renderings of the East circulated in the West."

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 00:52, 9 January 2020 (UTC).


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: Yes
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Passed.

Discussion: Suggested wording changes: * ... that David Roberts's set of The Holy Land lithographs were the most pervasive 19th century renderings of the East circulated in the West? -- and change the caption to state it's of The Holy Land set? * ... that David Roberts's set of The Holy Land "orientalist" lithographs were the most pervasive 19th century renderings of the East circulated in the West? -- and change the caption to state it's of The Holy Land set?

Other comments:

  • The Roberts' travels and publication section is not cited. Added
  • It would be nice to crop some of the images in the article. I am happy to help with that... I went ahead and cropped a few to start. Done
  • I was a bit confused which image in the DYK nomination was in the mass of images, is it possible to have the caption have the same caption in the article? And, add as mentioned above that it's part of "The Holy Land" series? I got "The Holy Land" series from the source (page before the quote you provided). Done. I have amended the hook with your suggestions, plus a slight modification. I also amended the caption. I think making the caption the same as for the article ("Mosque of Omar, on the ancient site of the Temple") might be too long though.
  • I made some minor edits, see what you think, and added a clarification tag on one sentence. I am not understanding the total sentence, particularly "self-confidence" on... it might need to be broken into a couple of sentences. Fixed

Please let me know if I can clarify any of this. –CaroleHenson (talk) 18:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

@CaroleHenson: many thanks for your comments. I have addressed each with comments above. Best regards, Onceinawhile (talk) 20:22, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Excellent job, Onceinawhile. I like the revisions to the hook, the images look great, such a beautiful article!–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:56, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but the hook is ungrammatical. If you remove the middle clause, it reads: ... that David Roberts' The Holy Land were the most pervasive 19th century renderings of the East circulated in the West?. Also, why not call it a "collection" rather than a "set"? Yoninah (talk) 21:15, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah: thank you and agreed. I have fixed this above. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:22, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah: thanks that is fine with me. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:39, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Onceinawhile: Uh oh, I was just looking at the hook, not the article, and now I see some of the words have been pulled from the source without quoting. Either you could add quotes, or do some paraphrasing, like:
  • ALT0b: ... that David Roberts' The Holy Land, a collection of 250 "orientalist" lithographs (example pictured), was the source of the most oft-seen 19th-century scenes of the East in the West? Yoninah (talk) 23:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
I am ok with that, and quotation would also be fine. Onceinawhile (talk) 23:21, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Restoring tick per CaroleHenson's review. Yoninah (talk) 14:40, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Onceinawhile: I came to promote this to the picture slot, but could not find the image in the article (a DYK rule). Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:14, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi @Cwmhiraeth: it is in the gallery as number 8. Regards, Onceinawhile (talk) 14:06, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
@Onceinawhile: Replacing tick. I spent a long time looking through the gallery for the black figure in the foreground, but on my screen, about one third of each image is obscured by the caption. Can you do anything about that? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes, per [1] there are a variety of modes. I quite like the current version because the text is important and it needs to be packed in. Alternatively the Slideshow mode could be interesting. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:03, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
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