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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:43, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

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Sega Technical Institute[edit]

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  • Comment: Article created from redirect on February 19, 2018 and promoted to GA on June 5. First DYK nomination for author.

Improved to Good Article status by Red Phoenix (talk). Self-nominated at 21:15, 5 June 2018 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - The sentence in the article that states the fact is uncited. I suggest adding the Retro Gamer article as a reference.
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: None required.

Overall: See above. I prefer the original hook. Philroc (c) 23:16, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

@Philroc: Cited. Had not been cited before because I felt it was redundant, but inserted for the sake of DYK now. Red Phoenix talk 01:32, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@Red Phoenix: Good to go. Philroc (c) 11:36, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I don't like this suggested hook, personally. It just feels full of WP:EASTEREGG, and I don't think a hook should be full of Easter eggs - that just feels cheap. I really don't see what was wrong with the one selected; it's a common misconception that all of the Sonic games were developed in Japan by Sonic Team, when that isn't the case, and it's STI's most interesting fact. I mean, you guys tell me what's wrong with it since I've never had a DYK before, but I would find it an interesting hook. I seriously doubt anyone not interested in video games would click it either way. Red Phoenix talk 00:39, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that Mark Cerny's aim in establishing Sega Technical Institute was to create an elite game studio that would combine American and Japanese influences? Source: Day, Ashley (2007). "Company Profile: Sega Technical Institute". Retro Gamer. No. 36. Imagine Publishing. pp. 28–33. Philroc (c) 17:16, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Not bad, but it still feels more bland to me than ALT1. As it pertains to The Rambling Man's suggestion, I can fix the articles with issues if needed since my research has turned up some things about both games, but my opinion remains on the subject of it as a hook and what's "hooky". Red Phoenix talk 22:11, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Might a simpler hook work? Maybe not that surprising, but I think it's fairly interesting and it avoids Easter eggs. 'In three years' is open to challenge since they were released within 3 years of one another but might have been in development over a longer period. You could equally strip that out, or replace "made" with "released". › Mortee talk 15:25, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that the Sega Technical Institute madereleased four Sonic the Hedgehog games in three years?
ALT3b: ... that the Sega Technical Institute made four Sonic the Hedgehog games?
I would be good with either one of those. My only worry is that others will once again say it's not "hooky" enough. Red Phoenix talk 15:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah: you objected to the original hook (rightly, imho). Do you think the straightforward approach is viable, or does this need something more intriguing? › Mortee talk 00:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Just trying to come up with more ideas here as well:

ALT4: ... that Yuji Naka moved to the United States to join Sega Technical Institute but had no interest in working with American developers? Source: Thorpe, Nick (2018). "The Making of... Sonic the Hedgehog 2". Retro Gamer Future plc.
ALT5: ... that Sonic the Hedgehog programmer Yuji Naka gave an ultimatum that hurt Sega Technical Institute's development of Sonic X-treme?

I'll admit I've found this DYK frustrating. Hopefully these are more "hook-y" proposals? I feel like we're getting off of the main idea of what makes Sega Technical Institute interesting, but I'll admit I haven't dabbled in DYK before. Red Phoenix talk 03:12, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

So it goes. I hope it won't put you off submitting other DYKs in the future. You've done a great job on this article, it's just sometimes more difficult than it seems to figure out a one-line enticement for readers. › Mortee talk 09:20, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

While I was not part of the original discussion, how about this idea?:

ALT6 ... that a developer team split at Sega Technical Institute led to the creation of Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and Sonic Spinball? Source: Horowitz, Ken. "Features Developer's Den: Sega Technical Institute". Sega-16.

Let me know what you think @Red Phoenix: --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 23:57, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Possibly an idea there, but I worry that might be a little misleading. I researched this pretty thoroughly when I wrote the article and my impression is it's not that the split led to both games being developed, but that the teams separated in fallout from the disaster they had doing Sonic the Hedgehog 2 and while the Japanese team worked on Sonic 3, getting Spinball done was more about having a release for Christmas 1993. It's more like "this happened then that happened" as opposed to "because of this, that happened" in this case, if you understand what I mean. Red Phoenix talk 00:52, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@Red Phoenix, Philroc, and MrLinkinPark333: Any updates? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:49, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: I added a suggestion since I saw this one was stuck. I don't have any other suggestions at the moment --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 16:29, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately, as the nominator has been unable to respond to the article issues, despite having been actively editing during both an initial ping and a talk page message, unless he leaves a message here or makes the requested changes, I regret to mark this for closure as stale. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:21, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
    • Wait, what? What are you talking about? There are no article issues to resolve; the only "issues" that came up were associated with the hook suggested by The Rambling Man for other articles, and I flat-out disagree with that hook anyway as being full of Easter eggs. No one ever came back and said, "Oh, this is hook-y enough", despite the fact that I and others have suggested alternatives. At this point, you might as well close it as stale. (I do acknowledge not getting to this to respond quickly; I've been working and had very little time for Wikipedia this week.). Red Phoenix talk 12:29, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi, I saw myself pinged here a few times but was busy doing other articles. Now I'm back. @Red Phoenix: a good hook is one that will draw in any reader, even someone like me who has no knowledge of the subject matter. The problem with ALT0 is that if you don't know what the different elements are (and have to click on each one to look it up), it's not hooky. But if you say something like "that this Sonic the Hedgehog game, unlike its predecessors, was developed in the US rather than Japan", then that is considered hooky. I like Mortee's ideas to shorten the hook; that always helps to punch it up. I would go with ALT3 if you're okay with it. ALTs 4 and 5 are bordering on BLP issues, saying something negative about a living person. ALT6 is a good hook, but if it's not accurate, we'll have to forget it. So should I review ALT3? Yoninah (talk) 18:59, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT3 would be fine with me. Red Phoenix talk 21:27, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Great. ALT3 hook ref verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Philroc. ALT3 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 23:27, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
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