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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:18, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

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Pioneer Cabin Tree[edit]

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The Pioneer Cabin Tree in 2006
The Pioneer Cabin Tree in 2006
  • ... that cars once drove through the Pioneer Cabin Tree (pictured) and drew thousands of visitors annually?
  • ALT0 grammar tweak: ... that cars once drove through the Pioneer Cabin Tree (pictured), which drew thousands of visitors annually? (source) Yoninah (talk) 22:25, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: Tree drew 1000s of visitors and its death made international headlines. Seemed like something that had mass appear for a DYK. Picture is visually appealing too. Article was started using text primarily created by 7&6=thirteen on Calaveras Big Trees State Park. The page was created as a redirect on Jan. 9, and I used the text from the target page to create and expand a stand-alone article. The chosen image is the clearest and easiest to see/read in my opinion. However, other images of the tree from nearly 100 years ago exist (Riding horse through, before tunnel, and before tunnel, stereograph).

Created by EvergreenFir (talk) and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by EvergreenFir (talk) at 22:49, 14 January 2017 (UTC).

  • Comment ALT3: ...that the Pioneer Cabin Tree (pictured) — the third giant sequoia to have its trunk made "drive through" — toppled in January 2017. "The Myth of the Tree You Can Drive Through". Sequoia & Kings Canyon. National Park Service. Retrieved January 10, 2017. [The Wawona Tree] was the second standing sequoia to be tunneled (the first, a dead tree, still stands in the Tuolumne Grove in Yosemite). Hongo, Hudson (January 9, 2017). "After More Than 100 Years, California's Iconic Tunnel Tree Is No More". Gizmodo. Retrieved January 9, 2017.
QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Mary (Shotwell) Ingraham
  • Sorry. Such a nice article, but under Rule 1(e) Articles that have featured (bold link) previously on DYK, or in a blurb on the main page's In the news, or On this day sections are ineligible. This article was featured on Wikipedia's main page in the In the news section on 10 January 2017. Also, it really sucks that the tree fell down. Hawkeye7 (talk) 07:00, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Comment Discussion seems to support your conclusion. I don't see any way around it. It really merits more than what it is getting, but ... "Opinion California's iconic Pioneer Cabin Sequoia was felled by more than weather". Los Angeles Times. January 14, 2017. Retrieved January 15, 2017. Those who created this "tourist attraction" killed the tree slowly. ... We appear to be a nation of short-term thinkers, ... and people who take the long view seem to be in the minority. I wonder why humans can't simply see the beauty of nature as it exists. Rather, they need to "improve" it or "make it into a profit center" Why can't a millennium-old tree just be valued because it exists? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:24, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
I would also note that Calaveras Big Trees State Park was the original nominee for ITN here as the Pioneer Cabin Tree had not yet been created. This is a perverse result as the article is greatly expanded and is a new and substantial article. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:51, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Maybe we should go for POTD, as well? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:09, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
It is the spirit of the law, not the letter. WP:IAR. Nobody was playing the system. In fact, the letter of the law supports the nomination.
Martinevans123 your response did not disappoint my expectation. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:59, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

It took a while to find where it was on ITN as a non-bolded link under Recent deaths. Rule 1(e) also states "(Articles linked at ITN or OTD not in bold, including the recent deaths section, are still eligible.)". You're fine, this nomination is still eligible. If that's the only issue with this, move forward with the review, please. — Maile (talk) 13:56, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:59, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Earwig. It takes a while to run (lots of citations) so I'll save you the time. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:59, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
No sign of copyvio. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:55, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
  • New enough (created by Magicpiano on January 9, 2017 as a redirect), long enough (3,575 characters "readable prose size"), fully referenced. Main hook fine, verified by online source. ALT1 hook fine, verified by online source. ALT2 hook is no good; although supported by the supplied source, the article (and source 19) says that this was in the 1870s (although source 27 says the 1880s). ALT3 is not supported by the source. It says that the tree in Tuolumne Grove in Yosemite was tunnelled, but was a walk-though not drive-through. It says that the Wawona Tree was cut in 1881 as a tourist attraction (which argues for source 27) but only got two drive-though sequoias are listed. Image fine, has appropriate licence. QPQ done. Good to go with main hook or ALT1 - main hook would be my preference. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:24, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
    ALT0 hook is fine. Better worded than the original. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:55, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
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