Template:Did you know nominations/Master of Puppets

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:39, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Master of Puppets[edit]

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... ~~that some critics consider Master of Puppets the best heavy metal album ever?~~

Improved to Good Article status by Retrohead (talk), Curly Turkey (talk). Nominated by 3family6 (talk) at 18:08, 29 October 2014 (UTC).

The article says that "some critics" consider it thus. That hook makes it seem like the feeling is universal. Crow^Caw 23:22, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

The hook originally said "some critics. Retrohead modified the original hook. I'm reverting those edits as an objection has been voiced.--¿3family6 _contribs 04:02, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

The most reputable heavy metal critics such as Joel McIver, Martin Popoff, Malcolm Dome, and Mick Wall, consider this album heavy metal's most accomplished effort. I don't mind having "some critics" in the hook, but I think rock journalists generally agree on this one. Also I suggest "of all time" instead of "ever" because the second one sounds less encyclopedic.--Retrohead (talk) 08:56, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Is there any reason we're not linking to Metallica in the hook? That seems pretty important, IMHO. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:53, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

I wanted to keep the number of unrelated links to a minimum. If you think it's that important to mention the band, I'll do so (and should I keep heavy metal linked?)--¿3family6 _contribs 14:55, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Proposing Retrohead's alt below:

ALT 1: ... that Master of Puppets is considered the best heavy metal album of all time?

Reading it in this form I agree: this is much hookier. Does this still need a review? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:10, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Only the hook was commented on. There was no full review.--¿3family6 _contribs 15:38, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of heavy metal music, especially mid-80s heavy metal music, which I consider to consist largely overproduced pop with long hair. Yet reading this article I think maybe I missed the wheat among the chaff. There's no other way to put it: this is a superb article about what is clearly a historically important album. It is very well written, reads smoothly, is heavily cited, and the hook is amply supported. All good to go. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:49, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

It's a bit sad we can't use the album cover, but perhaps another image would be suitable? It seems an image of the bassist would be particularly fitting. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:49, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

I'll add an image of the band. Yeah, there's a lot of excellent metal music from the 80s that pop metal buried.--¿3family6 _contribs 15:24, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

New hook with image:

ALT2 ... that Master of Puppets by Metallica (guitarist pictured) is considered the greatest heavy metal album of all time?

Sorry, not sure how to add the image correctly.--¿3family6 _contribs 15:44, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

I've formatted the image. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:50, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Image is CC-by-SA. I'm good with either ALT2 or the stricken ALT1. Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:02, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Unstruck ALT 1.--¿3family6 _contribs 05:32, 8 November 2014 (UTC)