Template:Did you know nominations/Manuel Espino Barrientos
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The result was: promoted by Montanabw(talk) 22:01, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
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Manuel Espino Barrientos[edit]
... that Manuel Espino was expelled from the National Action Party just four years after being its president?
- Reviewed: Edward Buehrig
5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 04:31, 15 July 2016 (UTC).
No issues found with article, ready for human review.
- ✓ This biographical article has been expanded from 1310 chars to 7041 chars since 13:57, 04 March 2016 (UTC), a 5.37-fold expansion
- ✓ This article meets the DYK criteria at 7041 characters
- ✓ All paragraphs in this article have at least one citation
- Note that this is a biographical article about a living person. All claims must be cited to a reliable source.
- ✓ This article has no outstanding maintenance tags
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- No overall issues detected
- ✓ The hook ALT0 is an appropriate length at 101 characters
- ✓ Raymie has more than 5 DYK credits. A QPQ review of Template:Did you know nominations/Edward Buehrig was performed for this nomination.
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As the bot noted, the article is expanded enough. The article features inline citations and is written from a neutral POV. There are broken wikilinks but those shouldn't affect DYK. No image. Don't appear to be copyvios. I do read Spanish and the information about expulsion in the hook is cited in the article and verified by the source. My issue is with the "four years" part. From what I understand in the article Espino was made president in 2005 and was replaced in 2007. He was later expelled in 2011. There is a 4-year gap there, but the way the hook stands it reads like he was still the president. Maybe that's just me. Maybe you could say 4 years after being replaced as president or something. There needs to be some clarification there for me. Everything else looks good.Amgisseman(BYU) (talk) 21:35, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
- @Amgisseman(BYU): Yeah, the hook probably needs a rethink. Here are a couple of alternates to choose from: Raymie (t • c) 22:04, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Manuel Espino's disagreements with supporters of Felipe Calderón ultimately ended in his expulsion from the PAN, of which he was once president?ALT2: ... that Manuel Espino founded the National Start Over Movement, which endorsed Enrique Peña Nieto in 2012 despite being founded by a former PAN president?
- @Raymie: I still like the first hook the best, although the others are cited in the article as well. While ALT1 plays on the same idea that Espino was expelled from an organization he was president of, I think it's a little harder to follow/find in the article itself. What if we just changed the wording of the first hook to something like "expelled from the Party although he had previously served as its president"? Or something along those lines? Sorry if I just seem picky about this; I just want to make sure the wording of the hook is exciting but still accessible to readers.Amgisseman(BYU) (talk) 22:18, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
- @Amgisseman(BYU): ALT3: ... that Manuel Espino was expelled from the National Action Party, even though he had previously served as its president?
- Raymie (t • c) 22:31, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
- @Raymie: I still like the first hook the best, although the others are cited in the article as well. While ALT1 plays on the same idea that Espino was expelled from an organization he was president of, I think it's a little harder to follow/find in the article itself. What if we just changed the wording of the first hook to something like "expelled from the Party although he had previously served as its president"? Or something along those lines? Sorry if I just seem picky about this; I just want to make sure the wording of the hook is exciting but still accessible to readers.Amgisseman(BYU) (talk) 22:18, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
ALT3 looks great! Thanks!! Amgisseman(BYU) (talk) 22:38, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
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@Amgisseman(BYU): Per Rule H2, you cannot approve a hook that you suggested. New reviewer needed for ALT3. Yoninah (talk) 18:59, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
- Yoninah, ALT3 was proposed by Raymie (the nominator) with this edit. So far as I can tell, Amgisseman(BYU)'s approval as reviewer would seem to be perfectly valid. Can you please take another look? BlueMoonset (talk) 05:19, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: but Amgisseman(BYU) suggested the wording in a prior edit, and in the edit summary, Raymie said, let's go with that then. Yoninah (talk) 18:23, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
- Apologies, Yoninah; I missed that. Reiterating that a new reviewer is needed for ALT3. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:36, 1 August 2016 (UTC)