Template:Did you know nominations/Magnificat (Vivaldi)

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 13:25, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Magnificat (Vivaldi)

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Church of the Ospedale della Pietà, Venice

• ALT1: ... that in a later version of his Magnificat, Antonio Vivaldi replaced three movements by five arias to be performed by girl soloists from the Ospedale della Pietà (pictured)? Source: [1] p. 3

• Reviewed: to come

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:02, 21 October 2019 (UTC).

• ALT2: ... that a later version of Vivaldi's Magnificat included five arias to be performed by named girl soloists from the orphanage Ospedale della Pietà (pictured)?

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks great, only QPQ link missing (review is for ALT1) ALT2 is reviewed (see below).Updated HaeB (talk) 06:52, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

In more detail, with some improvement suggestions beyond DYK:

• New enough and long enough: Expanded from 714 B (109 words) to 4354 B (713 words) "readable prose size" (per prosesize tool)
• Not featured in ITN or DYK before
• Hook ALT1 and image look fine. I suggest (ALT2 above) to focus the hook a bit more by leaving out a secondary aspect (which part of the earlier version the arias replaced) and augmenting the central aspect by an interesting detail (orphanage).
• Appropriate citations:
  • Format (inline footnotes, References section) etc. looks great
  • A citation would still be good for RV 610 being the best known version, or for the approximate performance duration of 15 minutes.
  • Hook is contained in the article, and supported by the citation.
  • The link in ref [6] (supporting the statement "Carus-Verlag published two versions ...") is broken, and also, standard bibliographical information (ISBN etc.) is preferable over commercial links for the purpose of proving the existence of publications.
• No plagiarism or close paraphrasing. (Parts of the "History" section hew closely to ref 2, but I think this is still on the permissible side.)
• Neutrally written (although some subjective descriptions like "cheerful" could be attributed), no recent disputes.
• The "Structure and scoring" section should clarify which version it refers to (I guess RV 610?). And it might be a nice idea to add a column to the table distinguishing choral and solo sections.
• By the way, have we ever tried to feature an audio sample instead of an image for a DYK?
  Regards, HaeB (talk) 05:21, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

  Thank you for a thorough review. I have a weekend pleasantly busy with yesterday's concert, please be patient. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:04, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

I'll still need a bit more time - now on vacation - but at least did a qpq, Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Morstede. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:59, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

HaeB, did you see that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

I now even found time for your good comments. The times (15 min for 610, 20 for 611) are noted and referenced, the Carus link is fixed. No, no separation of choir and solo, because the "solo" parts are really often done by the choir or choir members. Please lets not use the sound files for whatever. I listened to the first and it gave me a headache. Come to our performances ;) - I inserted a decent YouTube video instead. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:18, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

ps: I added "named" to the girls thus making ALT2 "mine" - or you should not review it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:19, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Great! I have updated the review above. Not disagreeing with your judgment regarding these particular audio files, I just think it would be nice in general to try and feature a good one in a DYK sometime. Grüße, HaeB (talk) 06:52, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

• Returned from prep for later promotion to a non-image slot, per discussion at WT:DYK#Prep 6 – Magnificat (Vivaldi) and Ospedale della Pietà. Yoninah (talk) 17:48, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

I wonder why you didn't just move it to any free slot, - Magnificat is part of every (daily) Evensong and Vespers. We'll have plenty of music for the holidays, - this could go earlier. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

• @Gerda Arendt: because you already had a music hook in every set. Promoting now to an empty set. Yoninah (talk) 13:25, 13 December 2019 (UTC)