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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Orlady (talk) 17:08, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Julia Hargreaves[edit]

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Created/expanded by LauraHale (talk). Self nom at 03:17, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Article was created today thus newly created, interesting hook, meets length requirement, properly cited and referenced. Good to go :). Calvin999 (talk) 13:03, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
  • There are some problems that need to be addressed before this can be promoted:
  • The final two of three sentences in the final paragraph are in the past tense, as if Hargreaves had already competed in the Olympics. She hasn't, and won't start until August 4.
  • Except for that final paragraph, the entire article is almost entirely reliant on a single source, with a second used to support a few items only. This is an issue that I've seen Laura point out in many of her reviews, when asking for more sourcing. A problem, in my view, is that these sources plus three new ones are used to support the easily verifiable statement in the final paragraph's first sentence that she was selected for the Olympics. One, or at most two, sources are justifiable (the best/most reliable), and the cluster of five for a simple fact is inappropriate.
  • The second Equestrian paragraph is pulled directly from the "Recent performances" list in the cited source and imperfectly turned into English. It's made up of eight sentences that all read (trading "She" for "Hargreaves" in the opening): "She finished [X place] at [year] [competition name] in [city, country]." This includes infelicities such as "at the 2012 at the". I don't see how this is considered acceptable prose, even with infelicities removed. Even aside from that, reproducing all eight items from a list and merely adding a few words in between and reordering them brings up issues of fair use of copyrighted material to my mind. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:52, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Put the results into a table in addition to having them in prose format as some people prefer one type of information presentation to another. Article has multiple sources, so this is not an area where I have complained on others about... unless you're contending the article should be tagged as one source? I counted six before I started working on comments. While her event hasn't started, the Games have started and Wikipedia's MOS is not to use future tense. Beyond which if it was changed to "The Games were to be her first" could be read as she dropped out, and none of the sources suggest that. Your concerns should all be addressed now. --LauraHale (talk) 21:44, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Some of the grammar problems I noted have not even been addressed, and new ones introduced. Did you really not see "at the [year] at the", which still occurs several times? There are also ways to deal with these being her first games while avoiding the past tense; if this next round of changes doesn't fix it, I'll insert something that works. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:02, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Fixed what was mentioned. --LauraHale (talk) 22:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
It should be your responsibility to reread and check, since I did mention "new ones introduced". Next time, please try. "Hargreaves is a equestrian jumping competitor": "an". "Hargreaves in several competitions": used twice, missing at least one word. I also don't understand why, after I noted that you were overusing sources for simple facts in the final paragraph, you increased that use so that there are now seven sources in a row, one of which is listed twice. What can possibly justify doing so? BlueMoonset (talk) 22:25, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
BlueMoonset, for future reference going forward with these DYKs, which DYK guideline or supplemental guideline, are you using to ding this particular one? You dinged me for not having enough sources per my having said articles that could be tagged {{nowiki}} earlier and now you're complaining about over sourcing? This is really confusing. Seriously so. The oversourcing problem for that came about because [supplemental rule violation to be named spotted by bluemoonsunset] regarding the wording being incorrect, despite the Games having started and she being a competitor, which was such a big violation of [supplemental rule violation to be named spotted by bluemoonsunset] that bluemoonsunset couldn't just do a small tweak but decided to hold up the review. In any case, I've reduced the citations down more. If you require, per [supplemental rule violation to be named spotted by bluemoonsunset] to move this review along, please let me know which ones you require me to remove. --LauraHale (talk) 01:14, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
  • After further edits to correct still-unfixed errors, article is now approved. I took the opportunity to smooth some prose, consolidate sources (including identical versions of the same article from two different news sites), and fill out a bare ref into a proper citation rather than prolong this any further. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:33, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
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