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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:27, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

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John Crittle[edit]

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Created by Edwardx (talk). Self nominated at 00:15, 12 July 2014 (UTC).

  • Article has 1,986 characters of prose and the nomination date of 12 July is just inside the week's threshold, having been created on 5 July. I did some random copy and pasting of prose into Google and found no evidence of significant paraphrasing. The hook's claim to have founded Dandie is in this Independent news piece, while the ancestry claim is in the Illawara Mercury piece. However, I doubt he was the first Australian settler, merely one of several. There is a Thomas Rose (died 1837) but this news piece casts doubt onto which one this is. How about ALT1 : ... that Australian fashion designer John Crittle was a direct descendant of one of the early settlers from 1793? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:07, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Looking at the source for that Thomas Rose, it is debated whether Rose was even a free settler. So, I've added the Jimi Hendrix/Jesus story to the article and used that as ALT2/3 instead. Edwardx (talk) 14:38, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

The problem with those is that they're not actually about John Crittle, but about his mum. What about ALT4 ... that Australian fashion designer John Crittle's clients included Princess Margaret, the Beatles and the Rolling Stones? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:47, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps a bit tangential, but Hendrix was an acquaintance (at least) of Crittle, and his mum only met Hendrix because she was visiting her son. I've seen weaker connections than that in DYK hooks. Your ALT4 is fine with me too. However, I think we should strike the original and ALT1. Edwardx (talk) 14:55, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay, we can probably go with either ALT2 or ALT4, I'll strike the others and let whoever puts it to prep to make a decision. My only concern is that both ALTs were in the sources but not the article until today, which means technically they are pointing to facts not in the article at nomination time. Again, don't know if that's just nitpicking, so I'll leave the closer to be the judge on that, hence the "AGF" instead of a full "yes". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:03, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

  • This isn't a criticism of you, Ritchie, because you always show good judgment as I recall, but who cares what was in the article at the time of nomination? We routinely allow articles to fixed, reworked, and expanded after nomination. The whole "new content" preoccupation is perhaps the worst thing about DYK. Also, it's doesn't really matter whether the hook is really about the subject -- it's an interesting fact, in the article (and belonging in the article), that might get readers to click. That's all that matters. ALT3 is by far the best. EEng (talk) 12:56, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
At someone's urging I swapping in ALT3 [1], though not sure whether we should link Jesus. EEng (talk) 16:55, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Mmmm.... I think the only reason people might be more tempted to click on ALT3 is because of mystery meat navigation, and if they were hoping or misunderstood that John Crittle was an Australian Rules Football captain, they'd read the page and be disappointed. ALT2, however, gives you sufficient "meat" to give you some idea what's in Crittle's article. Anyway, the horse has not only bolted the stable door, but the emergency services have been and gone and the insurance company is now assessing the claim for the barn's damage. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:30, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
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