Template:Did you know nominations/Ina Hartwig
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The result was: promoted by Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:59, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
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Ina Hartwig[edit]
Ina Hartwig in 2017
... that after Ina Hartwig (pictured) was appointed the Frankfurt city councillor for culture and science, she published a biography of Ingeborg Bachmann?Source: several
- Reviewed: Julian F. Everett
- Comment: I don't know many politians who keep writing when in office.
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 14:25, 23 July 2018 (UTC).
- Comment: I don't think this hook is sufficiently engaging. Plenty of politicians publish books, and being a city councillor is typically a part-time job. Catrìona (talk) 15:50, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- In Frankfurt, it's a lot of work, see Hilmar Hoffmann. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- But very few people will know that Frankfurt is unusual in that regard; a great many people will think that it's no big deal for a local politician to be an author. I agree with Catrìona: the hook isn't interesting enough as written. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:57, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- We could reduce it to writing the biography, but why not add a bit of where and when? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:52, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- Reducing it to writing the biography would be even less interesting. Why not come up with a different, more interesting hook? BlueMoonset (talk) 04:09, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Ina Hartwig (pictured), who was responsible for literary criticism for the Frankfurter Rundschau, published a biography of Ingeborg Bachmann in 2017? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:15, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- Reducing it to writing the biography would be even less interesting. Why not come up with a different, more interesting hook? BlueMoonset (talk) 04:09, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- We could reduce it to writing the biography, but why not add a bit of where and when? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:52, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- But very few people will know that Frankfurt is unusual in that regard; a great many people will think that it's no big deal for a local politician to be an author. I agree with Catrìona: the hook isn't interesting enough as written. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:57, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- In Frankfurt, it's a lot of work, see Hilmar Hoffmann. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
Full review needed, including the new hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:37, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Query: I did not spot the source for Hartwig has been a member of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) from 2012.
Otherwise, new enough, long enough, properly attributed to .de.wikipedia article. Source 5 is an interview split across two URLs and it might be good to include the URL for the second part (eg: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/rhein-main/frankfurter-kulturdezernentin-ina-hartwig-im-interview-14348442-p2.html) in case links break, etc. I updated the URL for source 6 which had changed. Did not spot any close paraphrasing in translation. Hooks are acceptable for size, format, and neutrality. Image displays well and has share-alike cc license, but should have alt text which describes the picture (in addition to the caption). QPQ checks out. – Reidgreg (talk) 19:35, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for a thorough review. I found a source for 2012, and took a link for the complete interview. If you want an alt, please feel free to word it, - English is not my first language, and words for shapes of faces and eyes are tough for me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:34, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- I have struck the original hook per the previous comments. Reidgreg, please be sure to cover whether the hook is interesting (a DYK requirement) in your review, since that has been an issue here. Thanks. (Note that the alt text defaults to the caption if the alt field is not filled in, which is typically the case at DYK; as I type this, none of the main page image templates in the queues or preps have an alt field, and neither ITN nor OTD on today's main page are using the alt field.) BlueMoonset (talk) 14:16, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't want to shoot-down hooks as uninteresting without suggesting another alternative. What about something along the lines of ALT2: "... Frankfurt's councillor for culture Ina Hartwig insisted that 'aesthetics comes first', gaining wide support despite her party's reputation toward cultural policy?" That probably needs some tweaking, and if it is felt to be more interesting then the article would need to incorporate that information from the interview. I think there's also an interesting fact about a former literary critic administrating culture (in opposition to early Critical Theory), but it may be above the heads of many readers (including myself). – Reidgreg (talk) 18:38, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- I have struck the original hook per the previous comments. Reidgreg, please be sure to cover whether the hook is interesting (a DYK requirement) in your review, since that has been an issue here. Thanks. (Note that the alt text defaults to the caption if the alt field is not filled in, which is typically the case at DYK; as I type this, none of the main page image templates in the queues or preps have an alt field, and neither ITN nor OTD on today's main page are using the alt field.) BlueMoonset (talk) 14:16, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for trying, but I think "aesthetics come first" isn't any more interesting for the Main page crowd than a bio of a notable and controversial poet. It also would need yet another reviewer, once in the article. Can we please save our limited time for moe important things? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:48, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- APPROVED for ALT1. The additional German source checks out. Based on what was on the main page in the last few days I'd say this passes the interestingness threshold. I'll endorse ALT1, checked above. Thank-you for your patience (this is my second review). – Reidgreg (talk) 20:49, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you, no patience was needed. I could tell you a few testing my patience, but let's be kind ;) - I like your reviewing. Getting impatient for The Little Nigar, intended for 22 August. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:56, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for trying, but I think "aesthetics come first" isn't any more interesting for the Main page crowd than a bio of a notable and controversial poet. It also would need yet another reviewer, once in the article. Can we please save our limited time for moe important things? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:48, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for a thorough review. I found a source for 2012, and took a link for the complete interview. If you want an alt, please feel free to word it, - English is not my first language, and words for shapes of faces and eyes are tough for me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:34, 19 August 2018 (UTC)