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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 23:01, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

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Helene Hathaway Britton

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Helene Hathaway Britton in 1915
Helene Hathaway Britton in 1915

5x expanded by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 18:32, 10 February 2022 (UTC).

  • I'll review this now Mujinga (talk) 18:44, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately DYK Check says "Article has not been created or expanded 5x or promoted to Good Article within the past 10 days". Muboshgu can you explain this? Then we can proceed.
  • for now Mujinga (talk) 18:54, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Actually this seems ok, the 12 feb version is 6483 characters (1049 words) and the version before expansion is 1085 characters (186 words), so I'll proceed, DYK Check must be having a bad day Mujinga (talk) 19:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - ?
  • Interesting: No - ?
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: I think ALT0 is ok, ALT 1 and ALT2 don't read so well to me. however, the separate claims need to be cited with the same ref here as is on the article. sabr.org presently backs "encouraged her to sell" and "she kept" but not " first woman to own a Major League Baseball team in 1911" so can the relevant sentence in the article have the sabr.org ref added? further, it's really not clear to me from the article who the "fellow owners" are - sabr.org says it was her mother, which isn't in the article. or do you mean other club owners? if yes then i'd prefer that spelled out that they made offers. so a bit of work is needed to tweak the hook, or if you want to propose an entirely different one, maybe the ladies night factoid might help. Mujinga (talk) 19:19, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mujinga: it's all cited in the article as it needs to be. Such as how her obit says she was the first woman to own a big league baseball club. "Fellow owners" was referring to the owners of the other seven NL teams who were encouraging her to sell, not her mother the part-owner of the Cardinals, so that will have to be made more clear. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:33, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Muboshgu Cool ok then I'd suggest adding "fellow club owners" or something. Right now it isn't all cited as it needs to be. There needs to be a sentence in the body of the article about her inheriting the club in 1911 and becoming the first woman owner; then the cite referencing these facts needs to be added on the ALT here. At the moment the obituary cite is only referencing her death on the article (and doesn't mention 1911). Mujinga (talk) 08:27, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Mujinga, you're right that it wasn't all referenced properly in the article. I expanded the sentence about her inheriting the estate to make clear that it included the team and that she was the first woman to own it.[1] – Muboshgu (talk) 19:43, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
Hiya so to deal with the various issues:
On a reread of the ALTs I still don't like ALT2, but ALT1 has grown on me, so I'd like to strike ALT2 and I'd say ALT1 is good to go, with the addition of the NYT cite on it
suggest adding "fellow club owners" or something similar to ALT0 to get rid of the discussed ambiguity and adding the NYT cite on it
There needs to be a sentence in the body of the article about her inheriting the club in 1911 and becoming the first woman owner - the NYT cite is on the relevant sentence now - Muboshgu nearly there! Mujinga (talk) 15:42, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
Mujinga, ALT1 sounds good – Muboshgu (talk) 04:22, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

OK I'll answer my requests myself and ask for a second review. The two new ALTs with citations are:

Mujinga (talk) 11:21, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

  • New enough, long enough, neutral, QPQ done, and no close paraphrasing detected from the sources Earwig could scan. I spotchecked several of the Newspaper.com clippings and found no close paraphrasing issue there. Image is squarely in the public domain. I think conjunct facts in one hook are fine as long as both of the corresponding sentences in the article are directly cited. I prefer ALT5 with its more positive-sounding last clause. DigitalIceAge (talk) 21:04, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

ALT5 to T:DYK/P1

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