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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Mentoz86 (talk) 09:36, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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Greater Poland Civil War[edit]

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  • Reviewed: Tomás Menéndez Márquez
  • Comment: If anyone can work out the bloodiness or the fact that that neither of the principal combatants won into a new hook be bold.

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nominated at 09:30, 25 October 2013 (UTC).

  • The article was created yesterday, is long enough and the prose and references fall within policy. However, why is Jadwiga of Poland given the title of King when she was a female? The hook is interesting, although it should be altered to ... that the Greater Poland Civil War led to the succession of the Polish throne by the ten-year old Jadwiga of Poland?
If you want me to work the above facts above into the hook, I suggest, ... that neither of the principal combatants won the bloody Greater Poland Civil War, and that the war led to the succession of the Polish throne by the ten-year old Jadwiga of Poland? --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 09:08, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the alt, if it's not too long I like it. Now, the sources clearly note that she was crowned a king, not a queen. Why - interesting question, through I haven't seen the answer to it anywhere, nor is it necessary for the article to discuss, I think. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:31, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
  • This article is new enough and long enough. Several hook ideas have been raised but I would suggest:
I am fine with the alt1 hook but an independent reviewer will be needed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:52, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I don't think another reviewer is needed. Length, newness and inline cited hook are fine so going with ALT1. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:22, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Per WP:DYKSG#H2: "You're not allowed to approve your own hook or article." Independent reviewer is needed for ALT1. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:05, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
ALT1 is okay to me, but I'd suggest replacing [1] "terminated after" with "ended with", and [2] "[[Polish throne]]" with "[[List of Polish monarchs|throne]]".
The article, however, is somewhat lacking. One would expect an article about a civil war to have some info on the fighting, something like "who and who in the Grzymała clan leading army X battling who and who in the Nałęcz clan leading army Y somewhere (near present-day, _____, Germany) in whatever month, 1383...", etc. The first paragraph in the section "The civil war" reads more like "Background", and the second paragraph reads like "End of Conflict". The single-sentence third paragraph 'The war is said to have been bloody; Davies writes of "much slaughter", and Sobczak notes that "entire clans perished in it".' seems rather inadequate as a description of the military activities. What made this war so "bloody"? Was there a massacre somewhere half-way through the war? I'm inclined to reject the article on WP:DYKRN#R3. Can more be added to the wikipage, please? --PFHLai (talk) 20:19, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
@User:PFHLai: Well, I agree it is lacking - I haven't found anything else in online sources. More information may be present in offline, through there are not that many sources on 14th century Polish history. In any case, why the article is probably only start/C class due to the issues you note, I don't believe this is of a concern for a DYK nom. I am fine with the minor c/e changes proposed for ALT1.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:48, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I understand the difficulties, Piotrus. Perhaps someone else can take a look here? I thought a short paragraph describing the military activities would be good to have. Perhaps I am asking for too much? --PFHLai (talk) 00:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment It does need more than one sentence on the actual war, if only something explaining the lack of sources, though I would expect these in fact do exist (Further reading has two items). Needs a tidy, eg "...the Grzymała coat-of-arms and Nałęcz coat-of-arms families (clans)... " is wholly unidiomatic & needs piped links. Johnbod (talk) 13:25, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I agree that more detail about the actual course of the war would be desirable, but this is not a GAN and the nominator appears to be correct when they said there is really not much info about this available online. The only real info I could find about the course of the war is the article on the Polish wiki which is referenced to offline sources. Also, the article as it stands does address the most important results of the war and its impact on wider history (I actually never knew how the Polish and Lithuanians came to be one country) and for DYK I personally think that is sufficient. Thingg⊕⊗ 00:03, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
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