Template:Did you know nominations/Dixy Lee Ray
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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:44, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
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Dixy Lee Ray[edit]
... that, while serving as chair of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission, Dixy Lee Ray (pictured) lived out of a 28-foot motor home?
5x expanded by DocumentError (talk). Self nominated at 03:54, 22 September 2014 (UTC).
- The article was indeed lengthened, but not 5x: Sept length = 11,430, Sept 22 = 26,552. Otherwise, the length is fine, the Hook is interesting, the photo is from Washington State Archives. Did not check for other criteria, since does not appear to be eligible. ch (talk) 19:28, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
We go by number of prose characters, not file size. (See WP:DYKcheck for a tool which calculates prose size). This had 3,405 prose characters before expansion, and it's now 10,669. It would have to be 17,025 for a 5x expansion. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:22, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hi - DYKcheck probably isn't an accurate tool to use for this specific article, though certainly it is 99% of the time. This article, in its original form, had a voluminous "external links" and "further reading" list that violated the generally accepted WP:EXT standards. These "bulked up" the prose character count of the original article significantly. During the cleanup and reconstruction of the article I removed almost all of this. I believe it's a 5X increase if counting prose characters in the body of the article (plus infobox and image captions) and only fails this standard if you credit the original article with these lengthy "external links" and "further reading" lists that should not have been there in the first place and which were deleted, culled, or - in a few cases - refactored into inline citations. DocumentError (talk) 02:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- Mandarax - I have further updated the article and now get a count of 19,021 prose characters. DocumentError (talk) 07:42, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- The count did not include anything from the Further reading or External links sections of the pre-expansion article, and the figure of 3,405 prose characters appears to be accurate. Infobox is never counted, nor are image captions, long quotes, or bulleted lists. It's currently 16,342 characters. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:16, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'm sure coming up 700 characters short in a 17,000 character article will be fine, especially considering the article went from one to 8 images; 4 of which were new uploads to the Commons. We're humans here to edit as per the spirit of the law and apply WP:COMMONSENSE. A bot or script could process DYK noms otherwise. DocumentError (talk) 02:07, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
- I don't see what the problem was here. I added over 1,200 characters simply by expanding the introduction. Despite its length, the article at times seems to be a procession of quotes, with low informational content. In the Atomic Energy Commission section, for example, the reader is not informed about who Milton Shaw was, how he created so much chaos, or why Ray had to remove him. Or the key fact that the AEC was broken up in 1975. I'm tempted to rewrite the whole section actually. I suggest that it be put up for Peer Review. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:53, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
New enough (sort of), long enough (now), not quite fully referenced. Removed a bare URL. Hook fine, verified against online reference. I'm surprised you didn't use the lead image. This one is licensed okay, but may not look clear at 100x100. Bo QPQ required. Good to go. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:53, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I came to promote this, but find the hook uninteresting. Why don't you focus on the other part of the story? Adding the governor's portrait, which is far clearer:
- I don't see what the problem was here. I added over 1,200 characters simply by expanding the introduction. Despite its length, the article at times seems to be a procession of quotes, with low informational content. In the Atomic Energy Commission section, for example, the reader is not informed about who Milton Shaw was, how he created so much chaos, or why Ray had to remove him. Or the key fact that the AEC was broken up in 1975. I'm tempted to rewrite the whole section actually. I suggest that it be put up for Peer Review. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:53, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
- I'm sure coming up 700 characters short in a 17,000 character article will be fine, especially considering the article went from one to 8 images; 4 of which were new uploads to the Commons. We're humans here to edit as per the spirit of the law and apply WP:COMMONSENSE. A bot or script could process DYK noms otherwise. DocumentError (talk) 02:07, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
- The count did not include anything from the Further reading or External links sections of the pre-expansion article, and the figure of 3,405 prose characters appears to be accurate. Infobox is never counted, nor are image captions, long quotes, or bulleted lists. It's currently 16,342 characters. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:16, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- Mandarax - I have further updated the article and now get a count of 19,021 prose characters. DocumentError (talk) 07:42, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that while serving as chair of the US Atomic Energy Commission, Dixy Lee Ray (pictured) was chauffeured to and from the office together with her Scottish deerhound Ghillie, and a miniature poodle named Jacques? Yoninah (talk) 19:23, 22 October 2014 (UTC)