Template:Did you know nominations/Chicken Fat (song)

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The result was: promoted by Skr15081997 (talk) 09:09, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Chicken Fat (song)[edit]

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~~... that "Chicken Fat", an exercise song commissioned by President John F. Kennedy as part of the President's Council on Physical Fitness, was used by Apple Inc. in a commercial for the new iOS 8?~~

Reviewed: Center of Alcohol Studies
Comment: The internet being the internet is reporting that the Apple version was recorded in 2000, but Bernie passed away in 1994. I have no idea what is up with that date being cited, but I don't think it should impact this nomination. It's also at 202 characters, so someone can shorten it if they want.

Created by Ktr101 (talk), Bloodholds (talk). Nominated by Ktr101 (talk) at 21:30, 22 June 2014 (UTC).

New enough, long enough, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. I have one question about where you got the information at the end of the first paragraph under History. (I had removed a ref that only referred to a page number in "Oates"; perhaps it was from there?) QPQ done (although you forgot to include the tick there). Regarding the hook, I think there's a lot more potential for hookiness here. A suggestion:
ALT1: ~~... that US schoolchildren in the 1960s and 1970s were exhorted to get rid of their "chicken fat"?~~ Yoninah (talk) 19:12, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

@Yoninah: I found it on the page for Meredith Wilson, but feel free to remove it if you want, as I didn't even notice it until you pointed it out to me. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:01, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Could you add the cite, please? And what do you think of ALT1? Yoninah (talk) 23:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I just removed it since it didn't really add anything to the article. In terms of ALT1, that also works, although I was trying to link the hook with Apple's campaign right now, if that would be possible. 15:02, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

OK. I tightened the hook a bit. Hook ref verified and cited inline. All paragraphs have citations per DYK rules. QPQ done. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 15:12, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Perusing the article, I wonder if this --

ALT2: ... that Bernie Knee, who died in 1994, was reported to have recorded "Chicken Fat" in 2000?

-- wouldn't get a lot more clicks, especially as a followup to the recent necrophilia dustup.

[Note: Apparently it hasn't be realized that in proposing ALT2 I was making a little joke -- obviously the article is mistaken in saying that a man who died in 1994 made a recording in 2000, or the article itself is making a little joke. -- EEng (talk) 03:01, 28 June 2014 (UTC)]

Seriously now, my concern is that a song can't be part of a Council, and the article doesn't say that JFK commissioned that song. Let me suggest

ALT3 ... that "Chicken Fat", an exercise song used in an Apple Inc. commercial for its new iOS 8, was originally composed for John F. Kennedy's President's Council on Physical Fitness campaign?

EEng (talk) 19:23, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

That works for me. Kevin? Yoninah (talk) 21:37, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Either one works for me, as I really like the Bernie hook but the third one also works great! Whatever you guys think will get more hits should definitely be used!

I think ALT3 is the only viable hook so far, but someone needs to fix the article re 1994/2000 -- see the note below ALT2. EEng (talk) 03:01, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and cited the date of his passing. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 12:50, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Guys, the article can't keep referring, without comment, to sources which say X died in 1994 and recorded a new version of the song in 2000. Since this isn't the version of the song used in the commercial, why don't we just drop this guy? EEng (talk) 13:02, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Guess what? It's not the same Bernie Knee who died in 1994. This Bernie Knee is a jingle writer known as "King of the Demos", as well as a part-time cantor. I removed the death notice in the article. Yoninah (talk) 00:15, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Darn. I was really hoping there was a life-after-death angle here. Good sleuthing. EEng (talk) 00:26, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Now that that mystery has been solved, let's move on the hook. Article issues raised in my review have been satisfactorily addressed. ALT3 verified and cited inline. ALT3 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 00:28, 4 July 2014 (UTC)