Template:Did you know nominations/Charles W. Wantland
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The result was: promoted by Victuallers (talk) 18:59, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
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Charles W. Wantland[edit]
... that college football coach Charles W. Wantland was fired from his position by the sitting Governor of Oklahoma?
Created by UCO2009bluejay (talk). Self-nominated at 19:48, 23 May 2015 (UTC).
Article is new enough and long enough, and nominated in timely fashion. QPQ can be waived with only one prior DYK. No apparent paraphrasing issues; I'm assuming good faith on The Oklahoman source, as registration is required. I wouldn't generally consider a high school alumni website like seminolealumni.com to be reliable, so I would suggest removing it. Most of the material is sourced by Legendary Locals of Edmond, so you can just tweak the few parts that were based on the alumni page. Finally, the hook fails to show the significance of the event. The hook (and the article) can be enhanced to mention that Wantland voiced support for Murray's opponent, Frank Buttram. Legendary states that Wantland was "perhaps the only coach ever fired by a governor", but that would need to be properly attributed per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV if it were to be used in the hook.—Bagumba (talk) 18:49, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
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... that coach Charles W. Wantland was fired from Central State Teachers College by Governor William H. Murray for supporting a political rival?
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- ALT2: ... that coach Charles W. Wantland was fired from Central State Teachers College by Governor William H. Murray after supporting a political rival?
- Thanks for responding. I have adjusted the paragraph in the article to include the information about him supporting Buttram. I have found another link stating that Buttram played baseball at OU and graduated 1910 (the same time as Wantland, so they likely were teammates) but left it out of the article because the source it didn't mention Wantland. I am willing to adjust the article more if need be. In the hook I added info that his removal was politically motivated and dropped football because he coached more that football.UCO2009bluejay Y'all want to talk? 21:36, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- With the questionable alumni source removed, the following sentences are no longer supported by the remaining source: "In 1930 former representative Alfalfa Bill Murray ..." and "However, college president John Gorden Mitchell ..." For ALT1, it's not supported that he was fired "for supporting a political rival"; one option is to say he was fired "after supporting a political rival".—Bagumba (talk) 08:09, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- I wouldn't have an objection to changing it to "after" supporting a political rival. In regards to the first sentence of the paragraph, I can see how without that source it would be iffy, and at least I should drop put a period instead of the comma and remove the words after the comma. If this is deemed a reliable source([file:///home/chronos/u-71a6d4d0fd12439b2a0e92d9725db8f01c871cb5/Downloads/7127617%20(1).PDF] see footnote pages 133-4), could it potentially save the second sentence if it were revised to say something to the effect of College President and Wantland refused to support Murray's campaign and he fired them both after he was elected. UCO2009bluejay Y'all want to talk? 01:37, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- I don't have access to that url, which appears to be a local file on your computer or network. You can add the public url to the article with your proposed changes, and I can review it afterwards. If it is not available online, there is no requirement either that a source has to be online to meet WP:V.—Bagumba (talk) 03:24, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- I wouldn't have an objection to changing it to "after" supporting a political rival. In regards to the first sentence of the paragraph, I can see how without that source it would be iffy, and at least I should drop put a period instead of the comma and remove the words after the comma. If this is deemed a reliable source([file:///home/chronos/u-71a6d4d0fd12439b2a0e92d9725db8f01c871cb5/Downloads/7127617%20(1).PDF] see footnote pages 133-4), could it potentially save the second sentence if it were revised to say something to the effect of College President and Wantland refused to support Murray's campaign and he fired them both after he was elected. UCO2009bluejay Y'all want to talk? 01:37, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- With the questionable alumni source removed, the following sentences are no longer supported by the remaining source: "In 1930 former representative Alfalfa Bill Murray ..." and "However, college president John Gorden Mitchell ..." For ALT1, it's not supported that he was fired "for supporting a political rival"; one option is to say he was fired "after supporting a political rival".—Bagumba (talk) 08:09, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for responding. I have adjusted the paragraph in the article to include the information about him supporting Buttram. I have found another link stating that Buttram played baseball at OU and graduated 1910 (the same time as Wantland, so they likely were teammates) but left it out of the article because the source it didn't mention Wantland. I am willing to adjust the article more if need be. In the hook I added info that his removal was politically motivated and dropped football because he coached more that football.UCO2009bluejay Y'all want to talk? 21:36, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- I really appreciate your patience, and I appreciate good faith but I never want to abuse it either, so that is why I am hesitant before adding it to the article, even with the offline source option. The publication is a dissertation from 1971 by Stanley W. Hoig entitled, "A history of the development of institutions of higher education in Oklahoma". I'm not that computer savvy so I don't know why it wasn't accessible because I found it online through a google search. I looked a bit more and found this link and hope it may work [1]. This is the link prior to that page with an "open in document viewer option" [2] just in case that doesn't work. If not I'll attribute this to me being in Oklahoma, but it isn't through a database search or anything of that nature like the Daily Oklahoman article. Thanks-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 23:54, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- I have found two sources in regards to the above issues one I have found a internet source for the other is a print source.UCO2009bluejay (talk) 22:32, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
New sourcing added; reviewer needed to check to see whether it addresses the issues mentioned above. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:34, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
This article is long enough and was new enough when nominated. It is neutral and has no policy issues that I can detect. The sourcing for ALT2 is satisfactory and I have struck the other hooks. No QPQ needed so good to go. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:05, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
