Template:Did you know nominations/Animal husbandry
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 01:25, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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Animal husbandry[edit]
Egyptian hieroglyphic
... that the ancient Egyptians kept a range of domesticated animals including cattle, sheep, goats, pigs, geese, ducks, pigeons and bees?
- Reviewed: Navayana
Improved to Good Article status by Chiswick Chap (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 12:43, 20 August 2017 (UTC).
The article was promoted to Good Article on 18 August 2017, is over 1,500 characters, neutral, cites sources with inline citations and is free of close paraphrasing issues, copyright violations and plagiarism. As a layman on this subject, the hook doesn't strike me as something that would make me interested in it. There must be something that could achieve that, preferably regarding European animal husbandry. Cognissonance (talk) 10:43, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Cognissonance: I had considerable difficulty finding even this hook, as animal husbandry covers the rearing of a number of different animal groups, and it does not seem right to single out one in the hook. Also, I like the picture. Why do you mention "European" animal husbandry particularly? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:59, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Cwmhiraeth: I am interested in European culture, that's all. Funnily enough, I forgot that the picture was there. It makes the hook much better. It is free and is used in the article.
- The template at the top of the subpage is wonking out. @Gerda Arendt: could you help? Or Cwmhiraeth? There was an unnamed parameter ( 2= ) that I removed because it gave an error. Need to remedy this before passing. Cognissonance (talk) 11:42, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
- I agree there is something wrong with the template. The parameter you removed was meant to be there, look at the coding for some other nominations, but replacing it does not seem to cure the problem, however removing part of your signature seems to have done the trick. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:46, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
- Strange. Must find somewhere to report this problem. Before that, this is good to go.
Cognissonance (talk) 14:07, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Cwmhiraeth: The problem returned after I wrote "yes" into the passed= parameter. Is this necessary for the nomination to pass or does the icon suffice? Phabricator won't let me login and report the problem. Could you try? Cognissonance (talk) 14:23, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
- This nomination is now ticked and ready to go. I don't know anything about Phabricator or this sort of problem. These are the changes I made. Why does your signature have three parts, a "special contributions" bit as well as the two parts my signature has? Should it read "contribs" rather than "contibs"? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:39, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Cwmhiraeth: I customised it in Preferences, found at the upper right corner. In every article history, there is a "contribs" link directed to a given editor's contributions, so I figured I'd add that to my signature. But this whole problem has made me go back to the generic signature. Cognissonance (talk) 18:33, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
- Hi, I came by to promote this, but I feel that the hook does no justice at all to this excellent article. I thought the article is about ancient Egypt, and wouldn't have read it if I wasn't working for DYK. I wonder if you can suggest a different hook? You have a lot of images to choose from, as all are freely-licensed. I like this idea:
- @Cwmhiraeth: I customised it in Preferences, found at the upper right corner. In every article history, there is a "contribs" link directed to a given editor's contributions, so I figured I'd add that to my signature. But this whole problem has made me go back to the generic signature. Cognissonance (talk) 18:33, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
- This nomination is now ticked and ready to go. I don't know anything about Phabricator or this sort of problem. These are the changes I made. Why does your signature have three parts, a "special contributions" bit as well as the two parts my signature has? Should it read "contribs" rather than "contibs"? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:39, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Cwmhiraeth: The problem returned after I wrote "yes" into the passed= parameter. Is this necessary for the nomination to pass or does the icon suffice? Phabricator won't let me login and report the problem. Could you try? Cognissonance (talk) 14:23, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
- Strange. Must find somewhere to report this problem. Before that, this is good to go.
- I agree there is something wrong with the template. The parameter you removed was meant to be there, look at the coding for some other nominations, but replacing it does not seem to cure the problem, however removing part of your signature seems to have done the trick. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:46, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Cognissonance: I had considerable difficulty finding even this hook, as animal husbandry covers the rearing of a number of different animal groups, and it does not seem right to single out one in the hook. Also, I like the picture. Why do you mention "European" animal husbandry particularly? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:59, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
The Tale of Pigling Bland by Beatrix Potter
ALT1: ... that songs and books for children (Beatrix Potter illustration pictured) often depict happy farm animals in attractive countryside, glossing over the realities of intensive indoor rearing and slaughter?Yoninah (talk) 21:44, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
- An excellent choice, and thank you for the kind words. Chiswick Chap (talk) 06:31, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. Another reviewer is needed to approve ALT1 and the new image. Pinging @Cognissonance:. Yoninah (talk) 22:10, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Yoninah and Chiswick Chap: Hook is 57 characters over the guideline format. Needs to be fewer than 200 characters. Otherwise very interesting. Cognissonance (talk) 04:58, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- ALT2:
... that children's books (Beatrix Potter illustration pictured) often depict happy farm animals in attractive countryside, glossing over intensive rearing and slaughter?- (123 characters) Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:25, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Cognissonance: The parenthetical "(pictured)" text isn't counted in the character count. ALT1 is actually 163 characters. I think it's important to mention the songs, too. Yoninah (talk) 09:29, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Fine, ALT1 looks good. Cognissonance (talk) 11:51, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Fine, ALT1 looks good.
- (123 characters) Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:25, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- ALT2:
- @Yoninah and Chiswick Chap: Hook is 57 characters over the guideline format. Needs to be fewer than 200 characters. Otherwise very interesting. Cognissonance (talk) 04:58, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- An excellent choice, and thank you for the kind words. Chiswick Chap (talk) 06:31, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- Review ALT1 checks out. Hook is neutral, interesting and supported by in line/on line source. QPQ confirmed. Timely nominated, free of copy right or close paraphrasing issues. Image is perfect. It is from commons and in the public domain. Clear at 100 pix. I would request that this run in the number one spot with the image. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16
- 03, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Returned from prep per discussion at WT:DYK#Industrial farming vs. Beatrix Potter. Yoninah (talk) 23:33, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
- Full review of new hooks needed. I do not agree with the result. This was an interesting hook that reflected the source. Get another reviewer. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
- Since the controversy about this hook on the DYK discussion page, I have introduced a new source into the article and rewritten the bit about children's books. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:06, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Cwmhiraeth and Cognissonance: & User:7&6=thirteen:
- ALT3: ... that songs and books for children (e.g., Beatrix Potter illustration pictured) often depict happy farm animals in attractive countryside, glossing over the realities of impersonal, mechanized activities involved in modern intensive farming?
- ALT4: ... that though some songs and books for children (e.g., Beatrix Potter illustration pictured) hint at the reality of farm animals going to slaughter, often they depict a rural idyll of happy animals free to roam in attractive countryside? --Usernameunique (talk) 14:15, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
- Since the controversy about this hook on the DYK discussion page, I have introduced a new source into the article and rewritten the bit about children's books. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:06, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
- Review ALT3 and ALT4 as modified, are interesting and supported by in line/on line cited sources. In the interest of getting this pot off the stove I have done another review. Striking Other hooks. GTG. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:04, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
