Talk:Zimmerman (surname)

Jewish Name

I believe it is appropriate to list Zimmerman in the category "Jewish surnames." Since footnoting a category isn't really possible on Wikipedia, I am listing two sources here: About.com's genealogy page and House of Names.org. I believe that is valid evidence to add to the category. Further, there is no harm to doing so - a Jewish name is not just its origin, but who has that name - there are numerous Jewish individuals listed on this article's page, which in itself isn't enough, but certainly lends credence to such a proposal. Thank you. - JerseyRabbi (talk) 13:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe the point of a surname list is to eliminate ambiguity. I have seen consolidated Jewish Surname encyclopedias that include Zimmerman. But they also include virtually ALL German and Slavic names from the most common to rarest. This displays the evidence that Jewish people run a great spectrum of surnames from numerous cultural origins. Since we would never expect a similarly massive database on this site, the seemingly endless range of Jewish surname possibilies can't be expressed fully. To serve a small portion of it, though, we can highlight the less ambiguous and most common. Names to which a Jewish connatation is arrived through high frequency. You claim there are numerous Jewish individuals listed on this articles page. Of 37 entries, only 3 are varifiably Jewish. Add all 17 Zimmermann entries and you have a whopping 3/54. This certainly doesn't sound like a exeedingly common "Jewish" name worthy of a short list. If its based on ownership, than certainly there's just not enough. Thank you for your time. (Charliefock (talk) 06:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC))

I agree. Jrcrin001 (talk) 06:09, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Zimmerman IS NOT a Jewish name

The name Zimmerman is not a Jewish name. It is a sterotypical name like Goldburg, Finestein, Weinstine, Etc. These are German names. These names are associated with the Jewish population because many Jewish people settled in Germany, then later moved to other countries mainly because of the genocide circa WWII. My name is Edward C. Zimmerman, Jr. My middle initial shows that I am not Jewish, nor was my Grandparants, nor their parents. The Zimmerman name is known as serfs of the trade, carpenters, engineers, weapons of war, Fishermen, and many other trades of industries. They have nothing to do with the religious beliefs. Nationality does not necessarily have to do with Religious beliefs. There is nothing wrong with being either or both. But one does not mean the other. They are as separate as ham and eggs. They work well together but are not the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.3.74 (talk) 03:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I know a Goldstein who is not Jewish nor has any ancestry of it. Too many people make general assumptions. Some European countries like Germany in the past used a variant spelling for ethnic groups. The double "n" for example has been documented historically with several Jewish families. Their were Zimmermans and Zimmermanns who were Jewish, Catholic and even Islamic. It is not a common Jewish name, but more likely Lutheran or Catholic. Please don't get upset, History is history. Jrcrin001 (talk) 06:09, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I can tell you one thing for sure - Goldburg, Finestine, Weinstine etc. are anything but German surnames, that's for sure. I've lived his for the last 3 decades and whatever these names are, surely not German. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.176.255.224 (talk) 14:15, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

jews from the german and yiddish speaking world (and their descendants) have german and yiddish language based names - that is not really something astonishing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.43.149.68 (talk) 15:57, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Note

Some names listed in the article are listed pending removal. If no article or reference is made within Wikipedia they may be removed. Wikipedia issues of notability apply. Jrcrin001 (talk) 06:09, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

German versus English

Carpenter translates into German as Zimmermann and Tischler.

Zimmer in German is room or anciently a chamber within a structure.

Mann and man in German is, in English - which ignores the double n, is man.

Zimmerman and Zimmermann combined in German is literally room man or more commonly room worker. Before other materials became commonly used in houses, rooms were made out of wood thus the association with the English word carpenter.

Wood in German is ...
n. Nutz-, Bauholz; Balken
v. Holz abvieren, gezimmert, bewaldet, Bauholz

Timber is an English word ... 1 wood prepared for use in building and carpentry. Ø trees grown for such wood. Ø a wooden beam or board used in building and shipbuilding. 2 informal, chiefly US suitable quality or character: she is hailed as presidential timber. · exclam. used to warn that a tree is about to fall after being cut. – DERIVATIVES timbered adj. timbering n. – ORIGIN OE in the sense ‘a building’, also ‘building material.’

I hope this helps in understanding. Jrcrin001 (talk) 22:35, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

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