Talk:Yeonpyeongdo

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Meaning of name[edit]

Does the name Yeonpyeong have any meaning in Korean? Something like mudflat? 99.112.125.218 (talk) 01:49, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Surely the name should be translated as "Yeonpyeong Islands", instead of "Yeonpyeong Island", since there's more than one of them. It's an Island group or Archipelago, not a single island. --Hibernian (talk) 19:55, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Map[edit]

I've added a self-created map of the islands. Some help would be appreciated in checking that the place names are correctly spelled and that the right Korean characters have been used. Prioryman (talk) 22:57, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kumouuri?[edit]

Can we get a real citation for this supposed local specialty? The Telegraph piece looks to me like it relies heavily on the earlier, unreferenced version of this very article. I can find nothing in Korean sources, and have a difficult time even imagining a Korean word that could be romanized "kumouuri". -- Visviva (talk) 23:45, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Added: Here is the myeon government's page devoted to local (??) crab dishes. Nothing on there that looks like "kumouuri", and frankly I don't see anything that looks terribly different from the crab cuisine you would find elsewhere in Korea. So far I see nothing to make me think that "kumouuri" is anything other than a Wikipedia hoax that happened to get taken up by the Telegraph before it was removed. -- Visviva (talk) 23:55, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Added: I can confirm Kumourri is a delicacy unique to the islands - just because it's not on the net doesn't mean it isn't a real dish, am sure there's several more out there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.53.222.22 (talk) 04:52, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Its a hoax that the Telegraph fell for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimjamjom (talk • contribs) 20:34, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It does look to me like Wikipedia chasing its own tail. This claim was at one point cited to the article "Guns and crabs at Koreas' Cold War fishing zone" [1], which is from 2009. It mentions crabs, but no kumouuri. Once Yeonpyong was suddenly in the news, and reporters looked to Wikipedia to find out where it is, kumouuri started popping up everywhere. I can't find any hits searching for my best guesses as to what Korean word would have been romanized in this way. --Amble (talk) 02:01, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, it's even worse than that. The original kumouuri edit on Wikipedia was here: [2]. The same IP editor amended it 7 minutes later to gosukadik: [3]. Visviva, you reverted 12 minutes later: [4]. Apparently, that was enough time for the Telegraph to pick it up. So it's not only a Wikipedia hoax, it's basically Wikipedia penis vandalism that got taken up by the Telegraph. Let's kill it now. If anyone wants to defend this material, I will demand that reliable sources meet the following criteria:
  1. At least one reliable source in the Korean language;
  2. At least one reliable source pre-dating November 23, 2010;
Sources that don't satisfy these criteria will only show the same hoax getting picked up farther and farther downstream in the English-language media. --Amble (talk) 02:12, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Adminstration[edit]

According to North Korea propaganda site, "North Korea accepted the US control of the five islands. However, it asserted that it had the control over the waters surrounding the five islands and proclaimed its own 12-nautical mile ’line’ on March 5, 1955. In the following year, North Korea fired on a South Korean warplane, which crossed their line."

Source : http://www.korea-is-one.org/spip.php?article943 The site is north Korea propaganda site. (not reliable source) However, even their propaganda site admits North Korea accepted the US control of the five islands. (in fact, 5 island were U.N. force jurisdiction. -not U.S.- transfered to S.Korea) The five islands are (Baengnyeong Island, Daecheong Island, Socheong Island, Yeonpyeong Island, U island).

"But since 1973, North Korean gunboats have regularly violated the United Nations boundary." http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/world/asia/31korea.html 660gd4qo (talk) 05:42, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you're going to assert, as you have done, that the acceptance is based on the 1953 armistice, you really need to point to the text of the armistice agreement. It's not hard; a quick Google shows me that the islands are mentioned in paragraph 13(b). -- Visviva (talk) 05:51, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/korea/kwarmagr072753.html
http://www.thefullwiki.org/Korean_Armistice_Agreement
the island groups of PAENGYONG-DO (37 58' N, 124 40' E), TAECHONG-DO (37 50' N, 124 42' E), SOCHONG-DO (37 46' N, 124 46' E), YONPYONG-DO (37 38' N, 125 40' E), and U-DO (37 36'N, 125 58' E), which shall remain under the military control of the Commander-in-Chief, United Nations Command. All the island on the west coast of Korea lying south of the above-mentioned boundary line shall remain under the military control of the Commander-in-Chief, United Nations Command."
This agreement signed by North Korea govt. and U.N. force. 660gd4qo (talk) 06:07, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Out of curiosity I worked out the correct spelling (우도, U-do) and location of U Island 37°36′32″N 125°58′30″E / 37.60889°N 125.97500°E / 37.60889; 125.97500. It is the westernmost island of Ganghwa County, Incheon and is part of Seodo-myeon (서도면). There are structures on it, possibly houses or barracks. It is south of the Northern Limit Line and North Korea's Maritime Demarcation Line (actually the same line near Ganghwa County). However, it is north of the Han River's outlet and at low tide is surrounded by a mudflat that emanates from North Korea. I suspect it is not called U-do anymore, Google Maps seems to give it an address of Maldo-ri. Anyway, if the North Koreans shell it or something, it may deserve an article, but right now I can't find good enough sources even for WP:V. Abductive (reasoning) 09:12, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Mal-do is an island with a population of 16 as of 1999, but it looks on the maps like Mal-do is considerably closer to the mainland than U-do. I can't find anything to indicate that U-do is inhabited, and it has no entry in Dusan aka Naver. (Dusan does have entries on many other islands of the same name elsewhere in Korea.) Makes sense that it would be included administratively in Maldo-ri if it has no population of its own. -- Visviva (talk) 19:09, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation?[edit]

How is the name pronounced? Can someone please fill in with IPA on this one? Thanks... Rkarlsba (talk) 16:23, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The IPA has been added but the symbol "ç" does not exist on the Help:IPA for Korean page it links to, it is found on the Korean phonology page. Perhaps the Korean IPA help page could add the "ç" symbol so users don't have to look further to find it. I do appreciate the addition of IPA, thanks.24.178.26.221 (talk) 05:00, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Evacuation[edit]

(Taken directly from my post on a now-merged article.)

I'll start by citing two of the main articles I've seen from Yonhap, also currently cited in the article: This page, the first I could find with Yonhap's difficult to navigate website, and one published a bit later, having much more information. A third seems to have the most information, and has not yet been cited.

If I read the first correctly, it says the evacuation happened just after midnight noon (Thanks for the correction!), being announced once at 00:02 (12:02PM), and again at 00:30 (12:30PM). As for the second, it details that North Korea fired around 200 shells into the waters off of its western coast several hours later, between the hours of 09:00 and 11:00 (AM). The third mentions Baengnyeongdo, an island much further to the northwest.

FDSA0REWQ (talk) 14:34, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your edits. Just one small note, 12:02 pm is just after noon, not just after midnight. --Amble (talk) 17:12, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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