Talk:Wolfdietrich

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Badenhausen[edit]

Have a look at Badenhausen's CV: [1]. The guy is obviously a qualified electrical engineer, but he has no apparent qualification in the study of medieval literature, clearly does not have a university post. Every article in his huge list is self published, as are his two books - not a single item has passed through the hands of an editor who would have had it scrutinised by an acknowledged expert. This is not scholarship, it's just crackpot amateur stuff (these legends seem to attract it). Proved, I would have thought, by the fact that he bases his work on Ritter-Schaumburg, whose work is dismissed as ill-informed rubbish by Germanists (as B. himself admits at [2]). As a purely self-published author Badenhausen, with no standing in German studies, he has no place as a source in this or any other article on MHG literature. If any of his claims happen to have some merit, then it's only because someone else has already made them, and those genuine experts should be the sources. --Pfold (talk) 19:24, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Legends_about_Theoderic_the_Great#Rolf_Badenhausen --Tympanus (talk) 14:10, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, if any of his claims happen to have some merit, then it's only because someone else has already made them, and those genuine experts should be the sources. --Pfold (talk) 14:13, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In this case the idea of a Frankish origin goes back to Müllenhoff (1848!), followed by others, so there's no need to cite Badenhausen as a source. In fact, citing a non-expert rather than the established scholars who've argued for it makes it look like the theory might be suspect. It certainly remains debateable but it's not suspect. --Pfold (talk) 16:08, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Origins[edit]

I'd like to update the origins section with more up-to-date material from Millet and Hoffmann (maybe Lienert later once I get it). What's our policy toward the existing text there?--Ermenrich (talk) 01:54, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was planning to junk it completely, and start again from scratch. It's completely out of date - hence the maintenance tag. I'm just working on a replacement for the old Origins section of Ortnit. --07:44, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

The new version looks good!--Ermenrich (talk) 18:18, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction[edit]

The article states "The MSS of Wolfdietrich B do not include Ortnit." But the article for Ortnit states that it is indeed included. Which is it? 79.106.203.47 (talk) 13:42, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wolfdietrich B is not accompanied by a separate Ortnit tale. Instead, the stories are integrated: Wolfdietrich meets Ortnit, defeats him in battle and gains his friendship; Ortnit later kills two giants and a dragon but is then killed in his sleep by a second dragon.--Ermenrich (talk) 17:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]