Talk:What happens on tour, stays on tour

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Multiple problems[edit]

In broadest terms, the article largely falls foul of WP:NEO, as afar as I can work out. None of the sources provided are, to quote WP:NEO, "reliable secondary sources such as books and papers about the term." To the extent that secondary sources are currently used by this article they are boks and papers that use the term.

The article seems to make the assertion that it's something primarily affecting sports teams, and yet one of the better sources used by the article has nothing to do with a field study of sporting teams. This line from the article:

Research showed that the men in sporting teams spent most of their time either thinking about, or engaging in recreational activities.^[1]

^ McKenna, Steve & Ducharme, M. J. (2009). What Happens on Tour, Stays on Tour. Curtin University of Technology. Retrieved on 15 August 2009

is blatantly unsupported by the article from which it comes. The research didn't show that, but instead measured the efficacy of expatriate business teams. The line is ripped indelicately from a section that's trying to explain the difference between men and women in that situation. In no way does it support the definition of the term that the overall article gives.

The article gives the impression that it's a truth that the term describes a specifically male phenomenon. Yes, the article says "It has been stated", but I don't think that's quite enough. You've got one person's unsourced opinion here. Better language would be "A 2008 Times article claimed that . . . " so that people don't speed by the attribution.

There are other issues, but I'm gonna have to leave things there for the moment. Basically the article just needs a lot more in the way of secondary sources to prevent it from being rightly viewed as a neologism. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 18:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yeah. How could I forget: What Happens In Vegas Stays In Vegas. Totally different case to "What happens on tour, stays on tour". First of all, it's trademarked, so it escapes any questions of neology. Second, it has no connotations of "teams" or "males-only" that this article purports for the "tour" phrase. The "Vegas" advertisements have individually shown men and women in "compromising" situations. And, of course, it's particular to one place. It's not (yet?) a catch-all phrase for indiscretion committed away from home (though you will find isolated examples of people riffin' on the trademark). Plus, there is no source for the actual comparison of the two terms, merely a sort of original research inclusion of a USA TODAY article that explains the "Vegas" term and leaves the reader to assume the similarity. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 19:23, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What's trademarked is the limp and useless phrase "What happens here, stays here." The phrase "What happens in Vegas..." was un-trademark-able due to its already-common street usage in 2003. Binksternet (talk) 22:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From my searching, What goes on the bus, stays on the bus is the most common variant, is common usage in the US, and probably pre-dates 1970, coming from the music industry rather than sports. Certainly there is insufficient evidence in an apparently lazy/unresearched journalists line about the phrase having "believed to" originate as quoted. Due to uncertainty of whether this is the most common or oldest variant of the phrase and lack of references, I think this article should be deleted. dramatic (talk) 11:09, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

American wording; females[edit]

As a live audio engineer at the periphery of the U.S. concert music scene, I've heard plenty of "what happens on the road stays on the road" since 1989 when I got into it. I haven't found a reliable source to back that up, though. Mike Doughty gives the American version here as his Rule #4: http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1512255/20051026/story.jhtml

The concept as it appeared to me was not specifically limited to men, unless only men were on the crew. Women crewmembers, and female artists, were subject to the same tell-no-tales agreement. Men would not disclose the carryings-on of the women on the tour, just the same as with men. The women would keep quiet, too. Kelly Clarkson names the concept here in a photo near the bottom of the page: http://www.kellyclarkson.com/?em980=189907_-1__0_~0_-1_8_2009_0_0&content=journal&em5012=

I have no idea when the concert tour version of the concept was first given expression. Binksternet (talk) 20:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Military, journalism, wrestling, Japanese[edit]

Tanya Biank mentioned the phrase "what happens on the road stays on the road" in her book Under the sabers: the unwritten code of Army wives, page 90, about soldiers having extra-marital sex while overseas, and their spouses doing the same back home; and how some soldiers strive to overcome the temptation to bend the rules.

Martin Fletcher wrote in Breaking News that the phrase "what happens on the road stays on the road" was in use by journalists such as war correspondents in 1991, and that it wasn't true: all the correspondents he knew were divorced. The implication is that what happens on the road always comes home, which by coincidence is the name of a Coalesce (band) song.

Randy Couture wrote in Becoming the Natural that "what happens on the road stays on the road" was an unspoken pact among wrestlers, one which kept them from telling tales of his extra-marital exploits. In the wrestling book Sex, Lies, and Headlocks: The Real Story of Vince McMahon and World Wrestling Entertainment, the concept is shown to be violated by one wrestler against another.

The Japanese proverb tabi no haji wa kakisute is compared to "what happens on the road stays on the road" in this book. The Japanese phrase means something like "In a strange town, no one knows you, and you can lose your inhibitions." It doesn't appear to have any degree of teammate secrecy; it's like everyone already understands. Binksternet (talk) 23:34, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are several other variations of this in the military: "What happens/goes on det (detachment), stays on detachment", (insert locale of choice, such as PI (Philippines), Thailand, etc. — Rlevse • Talk • 13:05, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Islands and countries[edit]

"The term is commonly used in Great Britain, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Canada and the United States". Two of the articles hidden behind the links are islands and the rest are countries. Should the article be more consistent? --can dle •wicke 20:47, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

@Candlewicke: It currently says "...the United Kingdom, Ireland,,..." so the names are fixed now. However, the links are removed. I wonder, should they be added again? Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. User:Thin Smek) (talk) 05:28, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] McKenna, Steve & Ducharme, M. J. (2009). What Happens on Tour, Stays on Tour. Curtin University of Technology. Retrieved on 15 August 2009

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