Talk:WDR Big Band

Translation notice[edit]

Created from scratch in my user space. Alossola (talk) 08:07, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Publication notes[edit]

From the German original, I cut some details from the History section and left out the Bandleaders section.
Only one reference covers the whole history: The Richmond thesis.
Other references for the old bands are hard to come by - I used Discogs entries as a surrogate.
In the present is preliminary - any ideas?
The Discography is probably too extensive(?) - I appreciate cutting proposals.
Left out one Literature and Weblinks entry each, are they relevant here (probably German)?
Two sections before References, NaviBlock and Normdaten, are commented out - who knows what to do with them?
Categories are valid (in case I don't activate them)

Alossola (talk) 07:21, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"needs citations" - please explain[edit]

@Onel5969 added the template a day after publishing, an uncomforting silent verdict.
This is my first dance on this floor, I'm eager to learn. Pleeeease, when and if there's further need for more citations, give some hints, as proposed by policy. Alossola (talk) 15:48, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Not everything needs a reference, for example, "the sky is blue", but articles dealing with subjects not well-known generally, every assertion should have a source which validates the information. For example, in your article, you make the claim regarding 1 win and 6 Grammy nominations, which is sourced. But then you add "and won or contributed to four Grammy awards", which is uncited. That would definitely need a citation proving that statement. Also, the discography needs sourcing. Now, that can be a single source, which contains all the information, or you can have individual refs for each (which is incredibly tedious). I don't do work on music articles, but I do create film bios, and when I put in the filmography, I usually add a parenthetical statement right below the header, and before the filmography, which reads, "(as per AFI's database)", and then I add the footnote to that statement. You did something similar in the Musicians section.

The band definitely meets notability criteria (the Grammy nominations/awards automatically qualify them), but without sourcing, any of that information could be removed at any time by any editor, and then, as per WP:BURDEN, could not be re-added without providing those citations. I hope I'm making sense here. It's not really difficult, but it can be tedious. And don't be afraid to ask questions, most folks are willing to help. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:42, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Onel5969, thanks for the kind explanations - the experience has much improved now.

I know that there are still gaps, question is, how deep to dig. One I didn't expect to need attention is the discography which I "inherited" from the German version. Gonna need to find a good database for that or trunctate it to the cited ones. I'm not even sure if it's appropriate or necessary.

OTOH, the "four Grammys" statemeent is an "ahead" summary - they are cited for in the next paragraphs (## 17, 18).

Thanks again for your patience! Alossola (talk) 05:35, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]