Talk:Voiced alveolar lateral affricate

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This article does not match with the articles about Haida and Tlingit, which indicate that their is actually no contrastive voicing at all in either language (I believe this is correct) so there can be no voiced alveolar lateral affricate. Anyone have better examples or more extensive knowledge on the subject? 99.232.48.204 (talk) 19:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds are given (more or less) by phonetic distinction, not phonemic. Just because there's no phonemic voicing contrast in the language does not mean there's no phonetic voicing. LokiClock (talk) 06:37, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, you mean there's no voicing in the language. Aspiration is a type of phonetic voicing, so yes, there is contrastive voicing in the languages. LokiClock (talk) 06:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AFAICS, neither of these have [dɮ]. Haida has three voiceless alveolar lateral affricates: aspirated fortis /t͡ɬʰ/, unaspirated lenis /d̥͡ɮ̊/ and ejective /t͡ɬʼ/. The consonant chart is sourced, and there's no mention of allophonic voicing of the affricates. The same applies to Tlingit, which also doesn't have [dɮ], but aspirated /t͡ɬʰ/, unaspirated /t͡ɬ/ and ejective /t͡ɬʼ/. However, in case of this language, the consonant chart is not sourced. Peter238 (talk) 22:32, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Examples?[edit]

I had to remove the "occurrence" section after removing Oowekyala, otherwise the table would've been left empty. We need at least one (preferably sourced) example of a language with this affricate, otherwise it's best to just make this article a redirect to affricate consonant - that's what was done to the article voiced uvular affricate, which is a consonant that hasn't been reported to occur in any language. Peter238 (talk) 22:20, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Nguni languages have it allophonically. --JorisvS (talk) 09:09, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]