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Revert edit by Twofortnights

user:Twofortnights, please, explain why you reverted all of my edits. Your explanation is not enough, edits included additional information apart from the map you are talking about. And what is wrong with the map? Denghu (talk) 15:56, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

I have clearly explained what is wrong with the map. There is no such thing as electronic visa policy for Russia. There is an electronic visa for Vladivostok, that's all. And you moved the map depicting visa policy for Vladivostok to the article lead section for no reason.--Twofortnights (talk) 16:03, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
You also moved entry stamps which are in most articles in the lead section to the section about the visa issuance. How are entry stamps related to visa issuance?--Twofortnights (talk) 16:04, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
You removed the valid template showing the level of protection of this article. Why?--Twofortnights (talk) 16:05, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

South Africa

Can someone please update the info about visa-free travel with South Africa? There is an agreement but I haven't got any details. --Anatoli (talk) 04:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I've also read some news snippets, but, apparently, this agreement either concerns service and diplomatic passports or is set to be fully implemented at a much later. For example, the agreement with Chile was signed in April 2009, but still isn't in force. Gallus Gallicus (talk) 11:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. Guyana has unilaterally introduced 90 day visa-free entry for Russians: (in Russian) --Anatoli (talk) 12:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

The info is out of date

According to advantour, Russian visa is not required for citizens of the following countries (sorted as in the original language - Russian): Argentina, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Antigua, Barbados, Bosnia and Herzegovina, China (Hong Kong) Bahamas, Belarus, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, China, Guatemala, Israel, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Colombia, Cuba, Macedonia, Moldova, Malaysia, Morocco, Nicaragua, Peru, Serbia, Swaziland, Tajikistan, Thailand, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, Fiji, the Philippines, Croatia, Montenegro and Ecuador. Some countries have conditional visa-free entries, e.g. China. --Anatoli (talk) 02:34, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

  • The best source which we have is the Delta Airlines passport and visa database, it is always up-to-date. The problem is that every country needs to be checked individually. I will try going through it, but it will take some time. The list you provide seems to me in principle fine, but there are some countries which are doubtful - for instance, Bosnia, I believe there used to be a reciprocal visa-free agreement (I personally entered Bosnia in 2004 without visa), but it was since then abolished. I will check, anyway.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:06, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Soon "Ukrainian Internal passport" not usable to travel to Russia?

"internal passports of Ukrainian citizens are accepted" is what this article now states in Visa_policy_of_Russia#90_days but apparently this is about to change. Please update this article when this has happened (and not before per WP:CHRYSTAL). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:32, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

This is under control, thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:42, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Table

I propose organizing all the visa-free country info into a table, rather than a list. It seems to work very well in similar articles. Something along the lines of Country-Duration-Notes-Ref. Thoughts? --Truther2012 (talk) 21:25, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Alright, one year later - I am on it.--Truther2012 (talk) 17:14, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Visa-Free 3-days

I commented out a recently added section on Visa-Free 3 Day stays due to reference to a possible future development and potentially being a WP:Copyvio. If properly re-written it may fit in some sort of future development section of the article. --Truther2012 (talk) 17:37, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Cleaning up the mess

I have cleaned up the mess the article was in with heaps of headings, unnecessary information such as repetitive information on detailed visa conditions copy/pasted from bilateral agreements, APEC membership list, incomplete diplomatic passports information (this can be re-added but only after the entire list is compiled and it should obviously be separated from regular passports), information on CIS membership which is not relevant, this should be a list of countries, not a history textbook. Now the article is readable and looks like the other articles in the series. The article was visually a total mess with headings with subheadings with subsubheadings all which could be presented in prose. The style was also a mess, punctuation at all the odd places, highly unusual use of bulleted lists etc.

I am sorry for removing references though. The links were dead yesterday so I intended to find the new ones but now I see they are working so I will readd them. References were and are still missing for many countries as the "List of countries with visa-free entry to Russia" was removed from the Russian MFA website and the new one is nowhere to be found.--Twofortnights (talk) 15:23, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I have seen for example that you removed information that citizens of Belarus can stay for an unlimited amount of time, and also similar info for other countries, leaving only the list. I would not call it cleaning up the mess, this is removing useful info as far as I am concerned. All this info can be sourced via timatic, for example.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:31, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
No I haven't removed that information, where did you get that idea. I have only removed the "According to the treaty of creation of the Union State citizens of the Republic of Belarus have nearly the same rights as Russian citizens. There are practically no passport control between the two countries.[citation needed]" because there is no source but the heading still clearly indicates "Unlimited period".--Twofortnights (talk) 15:35, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
For example, there was Norway before your edit and it disappeared after your edit. Where did it go?--Ymblanter (talk) 15:36, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
I removed all the diplomatic passports because there was a tag indicating the list is incomplete, and for whatever reason Hungary and Slovakia were not listed under the EU but separately. Anyway, we need sources for more important things - internal passport eligibility (have the Ukrainian internal passports been banned or not as suggested above?), source for Abkhazia (not listed on Timatic), source for South Ossetia (not listed on Timatic). Also it would be great if a replacement for the ""List of countries with visa-free entry to Russia" (PDF). Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia (in Russian). 20 April 2012." is found.--Twofortnights (talk) 16:02, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Ukraine is not yet there, and when it gets there, they will also change Timatic. I will search for the sources for Abkhazia and Sout Ossetia. Not sure about replacement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs info.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:10, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Well we don't have information on internal passports on Timatic at all, one way or another, so we won't see any changes there. Also there is no reference for the Direct airside transit section. As for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs info, I think it would be very amateurish if this information was not present anywhere on the Russian Government websites in a concise manner. Even African states provide such information (who needs a visa and who doesn't) somewhere on their pages.--Twofortnights (talk) 16:15, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Could you please also provide more information on border control between Russia and other customs union member states of Belarus and Kazakhstan? It is mentioned in the transit section but also no source and could be outdated so I will remove it like the Belarus sentence if we don't find a source to back it all up. Also the APEC Business Travel Card section needs a source.--Twofortnights (talk) 16:23, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Russia is in many respects worse than African countries. The best list I could find is here. It is from 2010 and in Russian. Internal passports are not considered there.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:27, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Not sure why it does not open. It is the first link in the main text here.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:30, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
How useful for foreign travellers, very insightful of them to share this information in Russian only. Oh well, if it worked as a direct link we could use it as a reference but this way I don't see the point in adding it to the article.--Twofortnights (talk) 16:44, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
They do not care a shit about foreign travellers. Whereas I can dig the info on internal passports in the legal database in Russian, I am afraid we can forget about review references beyond Timatic.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:47, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I see. How about the national tourism office, is there such a thing? Something like this [1] they usually provide such information [2].--Twofortnights (talk) 16:57, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Here/ So far, I was not able to find any visa-related info, though I can not really exclude it is somewhere on the website.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:23, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Found this [3], the information is probably never updated but it is still an official source.--Twofortnights (talk) 17:38, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
Ministry of Foreign Affairs Consular deportament:

The order of entry of Russian citizens
In CIS countries
http://www.kdmid.ru/info.aspx?lst=info_wiki&it=/O%20poryadke%20vyezda%20rossiyskikh%20grazhdan%20v%20strany%20SNG.aspx
in Georgia, Abkhazia, Ossetia
http://www.kdmid.ru/info.aspx?lst=info_wiki&it=/O%20poryadke%20vyezda%20rossiyskikh%20grazhdan%20v%20Abkhaziyu%20,%20Gruziyu%20i%20Yuzhnuyu%20Osetiyu.aspx
in all countries
http://www.kdmid.ru/info.aspx?lst=info_wiki&it=/Spisok_stran_s_uproshchennym_poryadkom_vyezda.aspx

The presence of visa-free entry to the Russian Federation
http://www.mid.ru/bdomp/dks.nsf/8f755c428020915d442579ed0032ce6c/e064b09e51e619ce442579ed00331f0b!OpenDocument Norvikk (talk) 10:32, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Dear fellow editors (Twofortnights and Ymblanter), in the last two days between two of you there were 27+ edits to this article, each affecting significant swaths of information. From what I'm observing, this isn't quite productive. In between the edits the article is actually in quite bad shape. Clearly, you both have a lot to contribute, but may I suggest a slightly different approach? How about each will limit oneself to one small edit and give another opportunity to either re-edit or talk about it. -Truther2012 (talk) 18:54, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
I only removed the info that the transit through Russia to Belarus is considered to be visa free, since the Ministry of Foreign Affairs seems to think otherwise, and added a couple of references. Otherwise I am pretty much flexible.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
What is unproductive? We are contributing to the article, what more productive is there, and you are criticizing us for it. Please join us if you wish, but I can't appreciate a suggestion to "slow down" after investing significant amount of time in trying to find proper references, remove outdated or dubious information, format the article etc. Ymblanter has also taken a constructive approach and is trying to help out find rather hard to find references.--Twofortnights (talk) 20:28, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
If it works for you - so be it. From the sidelines, it appeared that there was a lot of adding and reverting each other's material, that's all. -Truther2012 (talk) 20:47, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Kaliningrad

Please note that 3-day visits to Kaliningrad for Schengen citizens are not visa-free, but rather visa-upon-arrival. A separate section, perhaps? -Truther2012 (talk) 18:46, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Of course, is this suitable?--Twofortnights (talk) 20:34, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Thumbs up iconTruther2012 (talk) 20:50, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

https://kaliningrad.mid.ru/en_GB/web/kaliningrad_en/home/-/asset_publisher/CyfIP6GPijdC/content/short-term-visas-tourism-72-hour-1?inheritRedirect=false&redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fkaliningrad.mid.ru%2Fen_GB%2Fweb%2Fkaliningrad_en%2Fhome%3Fp_p_id%3D101_INSTANCE_CyfIP6GPijdC%26p_p_lifecycle%3D0%26p_p_state%3Dnormal%26p_p_mode%3Dview%26p_p_col_id%3Dcolumn-1%26p_p_col_count%3D1

There is no longer VISA FREE. Please, check it!

Visa section

Visa section appears to be very light on information, particularly in the areas of required documentation and costs. Neither of the two section has any sources. I propose to shrink the section down to the first paragraph and remove both requriements and costs. Objections? --Truther2012 (talk) 14:28, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Map

Visa Policy Map seems to show only visa-free arrangements, with all other countries being grey. Maybe we can add a grey square for visa required to the legend. --Truther2012 (talk) 16:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Internal Passports

The article currently states that citizens of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Ukraine may enter with their internal passports. However, the sources (Timatic) make no mention of anything other than just passports, ie just like any other country. We should either find sources for this or remove the mention of the internal passports altogether. --Truther2012 (talk) 13:41, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

With each country there was a treaty with internal passports being allowed as an entrance document. Though since 1 January 2015 all citizens of the CIS except for Belarus and Kazakhstan are required standard international passports to enter Russia [4].--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 07:26, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the link, but only explicitly mentions Tajikistan, not the others.--Truther2012 (talk) 16:57, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


Recent Developments

I think Recent Developments section contains incorrect information. The Russian government has instructed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to sign an agreement on visa-free regime with Panama (2013) and El Salvador (2014). This order of the government, the links lead to the official website of the government. The status of these orders - operate. Information about Mexico. This interview of Minister Lavrov. "Russia and Mexico are working towards a visa-free regime." it's just a words. Russia to seek a visa-free regime with the EU, Japan and all the countries of North and South America, Oceania. yet this is only suggestions, no negotiations. Sorry for my English. I use Google translate Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norvikk (talk • contribs) 18:04, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

What do you think it should say? --Truther2012 (talk) 14:05, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
В статье появляются сообщения о будущих соглашениях о безвизовом посещении. Эти новости ссылаются на заявления местных чиновников, дипломатических работников. Звучат такие формулировки - "мы хотим", "есть в планах", "будем стремиться" и прочее. Я считаю, пожелания не надо указывать в статье, так можно все страны мира указать. Новость должна основываться не на словах, а на документах. Сейчас в статье ссылка на Индонезию, взаимная отмена виз. Кто-то что-то сказал в интервью. Такая информация только путает, а не просвещает. Я считаю, такие новости надо удалять, что с Мексикой, что с Индонезией. С Мексикой давно есть план перехода к безвизовому режиму, с 2010, но документов никаких не готовится на данный момент. Нет такого и с Индонезией. В правительстве России и в МИДе России все официальные документы публикуются на всех этапах рассмотрения от черновика до публикации закона. Пока таких публикаций нет - новость всего лишь слух. Norvikk (talk) 10:06, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Validity of the visas

In Russia, the process of ratifying a law on visas. The amendments define the terms of issuing visas: diplomatic visa validity period - up to 1 year (now - up to 3 months), service visa - up to 1 year (up to 3 months now), ordinary private visa - based on the principle of reciprocity - to 1 year, ordinary business and humanitarian visas - based on the principle of reciprocity - to 5 years. This information is needed in Wikipedia? Norvikk (talk) 21:37, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Only if it is sourced by reliable sources--Ymblanter (talk) 21:53, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

The law comes into force from January 2015. http://www.forbes.ru/news/277059-putin-uvelichil-srok-deistviya-viz-dlya-vezda-v-rossiyu Norvikk (talk) 16:42, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Diplomatic and official passports. Hong Kong and Macau

the agreement:
..."Travel document»:
for citizens of the Russian Federation - a valid passport of the Russian Federation, the identity of a citizen of the Russian Federation outside the Russian Federation, diplomatic passport, service passport or a seaman's passport (identity document) of the Russian Federation;
for the residents of Macao Special Administrative Region of China - a valid passport Macao Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic. ...
also with Hong Kong.
In Hong Kong and Macau has no diplomatic and service passports? There is only a single diplomatic passports for China, Hong Kong and Macau? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norvikk (talk • contribs) 15:49, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


Honduras

Agreement on visa-free regime was signed in 2014. Various sources give conflicting information about the entry into force of the agreement. Timatic said agreement is not valid. Site of the Government of Russia says agreement is valid. All refer to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs website. but! In one section of the Foreign Ministry website (international treaty) agreement is valid, and the other section (visa requirements for foreigners) for citizens of Honduras is required visa. I sent a request to the Ministry. A week later, must come correct information.Norvikk (talk) 14:48, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

OK thank you. Timatic usually responds to notifications from national governments but it seems that the Russian Government is unsure about the status of this agreement as well.--Twofortnights (talk) 16:09, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

BTW what is going on with the mid.ru website? Perhaps we should link to agreement scans like http://mid.ru/bdomp/graf_site.nsf/webrus/20080160/$FILE/08_160.tif ?--Twofortnights (talk) 18:10, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

They said that the audited international acts . The order comes very slowly. TIF scan here - only the first page of the agreement. Later it will be the whole test. Scan version is not easy to translate than the text. We need to wait for a new version of site. Norvikk (talk) 19:04, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

On May 20th, 2015 I went to Moscow and was denied entry at the airport with my Honduran passport. I showed the document in the mid.ru website and the Immigration Officers did all the corresponding checks for its validity, and the apparently the current status is that Hondurans are still required a visa to enter Russia. I contacted the Honduran Embassy in Moscow and they confirmed that the agreement signed on September 26th, 2014 has not come into force yet. They are expecting the agreement to come into force in the following months. --FernandoEscher (talk) 20:52, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

That is odd. But still due to the Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth we can't use your experience to edit the article when the primary source, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs says that the agreement is in force including the date when it became effective - [5]. Honduran embassy doesn't even have a website and the Russian embassy in Honduras does not exist. I think you need to contact the Russian Foreign Ministry to ask why does their webpage state that the agreement entered into force on 5 January if that is not the case.--Twofortnights (talk) 21:17, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Well it seems it's not a mistake - I found this at that pravo.gov.ru link which seems to be the official directory of all legal documents in Russia - [6] - it's the same agreement and down below it says "The Agreement entered into force on 5 January 2015.". So that's it, the visa waiver is active, you were wrongfully denied entry.--Twofortnights (talk) 21:28, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
The Russian Embassy in Nicaragua also serves as Embassy of Honduras and El Salvador - [7]. Also, the Embassy of Honduras in Moscow [8] was recenlty opened to strengthen the cooperation between the two countries, which also includes the agreement of removing visa requirements for the two countries. I'm very surprised that the Honduran embassy gave me wrong information on one of its main purposes. I will make them aware of the official document you found. Thanks. --FernandoEscher (talk) 4:03, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Here is the direct link. I do not know what could be more official. It says "enacted since 5 January 2015".--Lüboslóv Yęzýkin (talk) 05:39, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

I sent inquiry for a situation explanation to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on May 17. The answer isn't received. Today I sent one more request. Situation very unpleasant. I think it a mistake of one employee of the ministry who wrote "since January 5". And official departments began to refer to it.Norvikk (talk) 09:08, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

I received the answer from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The agreement is NOT VALID.
Answer. In Russian.
Ответ на Ваше обращение из Консульского департамента МИД России 11 июня 2015 г., 12:05
Уважаемый г-н, Ваше обращение, поступившее по каналам электронной почты, в Консульском департаменте (КД) МИД России рассмотрено. В ответ на Ваш вопрос официально информируем, что Соглашение между Правительством Российской Федерации и Правительством Республики Гондурас об условиях отказа от визовых формальностей при взаимных поездках граждан Российской Федерации и граждан Республики Гондурас, подписанное 26 сентября 2014 года, в настоящее время не вступило в законную силу, несмотря на опубликование его текста на ряде интернет-ресурсов, и в частности, на интернет-портале правовой информации (www.pravo.gov.ru), от 14.01.2015. При этом разночтение в трактовке «действует Соглашение/ не вступило в силу» возникло из-за уточнения и проработки ряда формулировок, прописанных в данном документе. В дальнейшем рекомендуем Вам, в части прояснения визовой информации, обращаться на официальный сайт КД МИД России http://www.kdmid.ru/, который регулярно обновляется и отражает все аспекты, связанные с консульским обслуживанием российских и иностранных граждан.
Одновременно обращаем Ваше внимание на недопустимость использования в официальной переписке оскорбительных формулировок в адрес Федеральных органов власти, в данном случае МИД России и при повторении подобного будем вынуждены в соответствии с Федеральным Законом «О порядке рассмотрения письменных обращений граждан» переписку с Вами прекратить. Советник КД МИД России «11» июня 2015 года Norvikk (talk) 13:33, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

I am not sure I fully understand what do they mean by "discrepancy in the interpretation "valid agreement / not in force" has arisen because of the refinement and elaboration of a number of formulations prescribed herein." and why do they say to keep checking the website when it's obviously wrong and they didn't change it. Also why do they warn you they will stop communication if the offensive language continues. But OK we will remove it, but I think we should definitely put a note in the article because they didn't update their website and the e-mail unfortunately fails Wikipedia:Verifiability test.--Twofortnights (talk) 13:54, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
I do not understand the reason to which they refer too. This justification and not desire to admit guilt for false information. I wrote the answer to this message. (In Russian)
Уважаемый
Спасибо за ответ и прояснение ситуации с действием соглашения между Россией и Гондурасом.
Вы написали "одновременно обращаем Ваше внимание на недопустимость использования в официальной переписке оскорбительных формулировок в адрес Федеральных органов власти". Во избежание недоразумений и расстройства вашей ранимой души в будущем, не могли ли вы уточнить какие формулировки вы посчитали оскорбительными?
Также рекомендую вам в дальнейшем своевременно сообщать об изменениях в визовых правилах на сайте kdmid.ru, а не спустя месяцы и то только после обращения граждан. Вот когда это будет происходить на деле, а не на словах, тогда и обращаться не нужно будет. А пока этого нет, то обращения будут идти через сайт Kremlin.ru.
Как раз есть повод обратится. Например, соглашение с Науру вступило в силу 14 мая с.г., а информации на kdmid.ru не обновлена до сих пор. Как же так своевременные вы наши? И таких 'например' предостаточно. Работа должна выполняться аккуратно и вовремя. У вас встречаются на сайте нелепые ошибки, что никак не вяжется с репутацией Министерства Иностранных Дел. С уважением
When the Minister Lavrov visited the SICA summit in March 2015 at a meeting with Minister of Foreign Affairs of Honduras sounded phrase that the agreement will come after the passage of the ratification procedure in Honduras in the near future . This is another confirmation.
Make changes to article which you consider necessary, please. Thank you, Twofortnights. Sorry for my English
P.S. About visa policy of Georgia. Why 360 days? In the government resolution it is told about one-year visa. https://matsne.gov.ge/ka/document/view/2867361 (in Georgian) In the message of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Georgia speak about one-year visa too. https://www.geoconsul.gov.ge/en/nonvisa_en.html One news portal wrote about 360 days. Perhaps they do not know how to count, in the year 365 or 366 days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norvikk (talk • contribs) 15:41, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. It seems they are not very professional at the Russian Foreign Ministry. Thanks for going to great lengths to find an answer to this question.
As for Georgia, they reversed back to the old policy which was 360 days, but that news article could be wrong. Maybe they have some policy like 1 day = 30 days, 1 year = 360 days. Let's wait and see what they send in notification to IATA and what they put on English version of their websites.--Twofortnights (talk) 16:58, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
ok, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norvikk (talk • contribs) 17:11, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

The answer to the second request came from the Deputy Director of the Consular Department . January 5 is the date when the Russian internal procedures for the ratification of the agreement have been completed. The information was issued for the wrong date of entry into force . Error per employee led to confusion. I hope this will never happen again. The Agreement entered into force on 11 July 2015 . End of long story. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norvikk (talk • contribs) 21:05, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Norvikk! Btw, the Russian MFA has a brand new website so all the links in references to mid.ru are now 404.--Twofortnights (talk) 22:26, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for news. Only some links to the site mid.ru. Vast majority of links to the site kdmid.ru (consular department). All sites of the ministries are now updated. The site of consular department in the old version still. When it is updated it will be necessary to change about 80 links. OMG. Norvikk (talk) 16:17, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2015

Please change line " (to be suspended from 1 Jan 2016 until Turkey stops helping ISIS)[11] " to " (to be suspended from 1 Jan 2016) " with the references given below ,

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/27/russia-introduces-visa-regime-for-turkish-citizens https://www.rt.com/news/323650-russia-visa-travel-turkey/ http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-turkey-jet-visa-travel-agreement-2015-11 http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/russia-halt-visa-free-agreement-visiting-turks-151127153708184.html Soloturk1453 (talk) 17:13, 9 December 2015 (UTC)


Soloturk1453 (talk) 15:24, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

This request should be denied. This user was blocked specifically for removing this information which is well referenced. Censorship on Wikipedia is strongly forbidden. Russia could've easily said that the visa regime will remain in place until contact with aliens was made and we would still have to report on it. Official position of the Russian government is that the visa policy will remain unchanged until Turkey stops cooperation with ISIS. Reporting on it does not mean that we agree with the Russian government that Turkey cooperates with ISIS. We simply report on what is their official rationale. And this is well referenced. --Twofortnights (talk) 18:02, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

 Not done This request is denied and that user is blocked for block evasion.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 18:14, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Mauritius

23 December Russia and Mauritius have signed an agreement on abolishing visas. http://www.govmu.org/English/News/Pages/Mauritius-and-Russia-sign-agreement-on-mutual-abolition-of-visa-requirements.aspx

article 11 ".. Agreement shall enter into force 30 days from the date of receipt of the last written notification about the fulfillment by the Parties of internal procedures necessary for its entry into force" http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/0001201502090005?index=4&rangeSize=1

Timatic argues that the agreement is valid. It is not right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norvikk (talk • contribs) 18:34, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I wonder who sent that notification to Timatic, it makes no sense.--Twofortnights (talk) 19:29, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
It not for the first time. With Congo were mistaken too. Someone takes date of signing for the effective date. Nonprofessionally for the international organization. Norvikk (talk) 20:47, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

The agreement in force from 10 Apr 2016. End of the story. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.162.40 (talk) 23:43, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Actually IATA removed Mauritius from Timatic yesterday. It was a mistake as we thought.--Twofortnights (talk) 08:50, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
answer from embassy of Mauritius http://s019.radikal.ru/i633/1603/c5/a5a3ccb02a72.jpg It is a reliable source. Give me your email, I will send the request and response in English and Russian. Or make a request yourself. Or wait for the official statement the Russian Foreign Ministry or Mauritius. You can temporarily remove the information from the article, but to restore it after you make sure— Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.162.40 (talk) 10:18, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
No, as per WP:SOURCE it is not a reliable source. Scan of an email is not a published source and the WP:SOURCE clearly says - Unpublished materials are not considered reliable.. Even if I would mail them to confirm, it wouldn't change a thing, because the problem here is not that I don't trust you but that it was never published anywhere (WP:VNT). Therefore such a private confirmation to me wouldn't be any less unreliable to be used as a source here than your email.--Twofortnights (talk) 11:08, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
I understood it. Thanks for the explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.162.40 (talk) 12:28, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Estonia (alien passport) and Latvia (non-citizen passport) on the map

Please change the color for Latvia and Estonia on the map. Need the dark green color (90days). All purposes for the CIS citizens only — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.175.244 (talk) 18:59, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

yes, it's wrong — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.168.135 (talk) 15:39, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Estonia and Latvia are painted over in the italics on a map therefore part of the population of these countries have visa-free entry into Russia. Holders of alien passports of Latvia and Estonia.

The commercial purpose is an obtaining financial benefit. This is the worker and the business visa. I so understand it. I can be mistaken.

A working visa. It is right. For work in Russia these citizens need a working visa, they have no privileges. But sometimes a visit to a business purpose (business visa). Have privileges or not? I am not sure. This question needs to be discussed before changing color with blue for green.

I have checked information on the website of embassy. Commercial visit is work. I have sent a request for an explanation for Estonia and Latvia.

Non - citizens of Estonia and Latvia can enter Russia without a visa , including for employment . --Norvikk (talk) 10:54, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Crimea on maps

3 maps. Visa policy of Russia (2 maps) and Visa requirements for citizens of Russia (1 map). I suggest to paint the Crimea as part of Russia. Someone agrees with it, someone doesn't agree. The situation has to be considered not from the legal point of view (de jure), but with actual (de facto). For stay on the peninsula a russian visa is necessary. Passport control is not carried out for those arriving from the territory of Russia. Article is not historical, not legal, but Visa. The reality has to be reflected.

Objections?

It's the best not to complicate with these disputed territories or you end up with a very complicated map such as File:Visa requirements for Romanian citizens.svg.--Twofortnights (talk) 21:17, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
ok. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.161.210 (talk) 22:28, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

The map

I suggest to change the map.

Now the map contains information about visa-free countries and on a purpose of a visit. I plan to replace the information on visa free countries and documents for entry (ID card or passport). Information about a purpose of a visit is present in the table in the article. It is enough to understand.

The vast majority of maps in Wikipedia contain information about the countries and documents. Visa map of Russia will be synchronized with the majority. --Norvikk (talk) 19:10, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

The map has been changed. --Norvikk (talk) 16:20, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

GIF animation

Hi everyone.

Visa policy of the Russian Federation

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Clicking on LINK You can download the images by one or a zip archive.

If you want to make changes or fix a error, make a new gif animation with altered images. I used http://gifmaker.me
Upload an updated GIF file.

Thanks. Happy editing! --Norvikk (talk) 19:03, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

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Kazakh+Kyrgyz+Ukrainian ID Cards for Russia

Says in the visa exemption list that Kazakh, Kyrgyz and Ukrainian ID cards can be used to enter Russia.

Could anyone who speaks Russian please contact the relevant Russian authorities by e-mail to try and establish whether this is still the case when entering by air?

If it is, I would like a screenshot of the message confirming it so that I can pass it on to my Timatic contact André Devecserii (talk) 00:41, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Norvikk, do you think you could help with this? André Devecserii (talk) 17:47, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

--Norvikk (talk) 19:07, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Copyright

I have recently being looking at this article and am concerned that it has a lot of content that may be restricted under copyright, please see here for the copyvio report : [12].

Could someone please clarify the copyright status of the content or reword as appropriate?

Thanks, RhinosF1 (talk) 13:47, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Russian government documents are not subject to copyright. Vermont (talk) 14:02, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
@RhinosF1: I told you all about the update yesterday. Nothing to add. I think @Twofortnights: can explain to you the relevance of the information. Please wait for him opinion before you make a decision. His experience and diplomacy shoul help us understand each other. Thanks. 83.220.237.176 (talk) 14:10, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Yesterday, you were unable to provide proof. I have checked your edits and according to a copyvio report they did not affect the percentage of content that was copied from external sources, we have also established that the content is likely to be exempt from copyright.
Regarding the fact you claimed this yesterday, as I explained then, I was unable to restore your edit as Revision Deletion was applied it was impossible (due to software restrictions) and told you to contact the user who applied this. RhinosF1 (talk) 14:20, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

I didn't yet have time to check if the text content was copy/pasted or not but when it comes to referencing legislation there is no basis to remove such content, references as such cannot be a copyright violation. In most jurisdictions also the legislation texts and information provided by the Government is also not protected by copyright. But the main problem here as it seems was an arbitrary and indiscriminate removal of all new additions, when it was quite obvious a lot of it cannot be a copyright violation under any circumstances. As for the rest, it requires a careful analysis of both the content ie. whether it was really just copy/pasted and copyright rules in Russia.--Twofortnights (talk) 14:37, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Please see my above comment, it seemed to be copy-pasted as I have said, the content from today has been allowed through pending changes and once I had reported it for revdel was unable to deal with it any further so couldn't correct any issue yesterday. I apoligise for any distruption caused but can do no further to help. Thanks, RhinosF1 (talk) 14:40, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Now going through it, The Earwig's Copyvio Detector seems to mostly mark general words and phrases that cannot be reworded. Indeed, both in this article and in legislation you may find the full name of the country, Russian Federation, many times but that does not make it a copyright violation. There do not seem to be directly pasted paragraphs?

When it comes to the copyright law, it seems that according to article 1259 of Book IV of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation No. 230-FZ of December 18, 2006, official documents of state government agencies and local government agencies of municipal formations, including laws, other legal texts, judicial decisions, other materials of legislative, administrative and judicial character, official documents of international organizations, as well as their official translations are not the objects of copyright. This also applies to news reports on events and facts, which have a purely informational character (daily news reports, television programs, transportation schedules, and the like), state symbols and signs and works of folk art.

All in all, it does not seem that this could be classified as a copyright violation either but I will continue looking into it. As for the references to back up factual claims such as the dates of visa agreements in this article, I think that does not require any further discussion as that cannot be considered a copyright violation under any circumstances.--Twofortnights (talk) 14:48, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

As I've said, I apologise for the mistake, after preventing it going through pending changes I asked for revedel on IRC yesterday which was approved. I continued to communicate with them throughout the night as the user objected and when they attempted to post again today, I prevented it and it was discussed. The discussion resulted in it being kept. I will bear it in mind in future though. Thanks, RhinosF1 (talk) 15:01, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
No problem at all. I am glad this was quickly resolved!--Twofortnights (talk) 18:40, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Crimea legend

@Ajumbojet: I have partially reverted your recent edits where you merged the legend of the maps to include both Crimea and Russia in one segment. I have a few problems with this. First of all the colors are a bit different and the images should be changed as well. If you do this you should do this as another version of the file as this will affect all uses of the pictures on all wikis. I am also unsure if this should be done at all since Crimea seems to have some, but not that many, differences to visas in the rest of Russia. Lastly I wanted to say that I also re-added some references in the Saint Petersburg section. While your new references was probably the best one I see no reason to remove the others. --Trialpears (talk) 20:17, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I can't agree with your decision.
Crimea. This page reflects the policy of Russia and this change is only for the Russian page. There's no room for personal opinion here. Crimea is part of Russia's visa space without any restrictions for foreign citizens - just a fact. I decided to make this edit based on the discussions on Talk Russia Talk:Russia see Archives. This topic was discussed several times. Compromise was found: "Russia including Crimea"+note:The Crimean Peninsula, claimed and de facto administered by Russia, is recognized as territory of Ukraine by a majority of UN member nation. This fully reflects the situation. I see no reason why the map of Russia should be different from the visa policy map of Russia. If you want to open a discussion, you need to do it on the main page about Rissia - Talk:Russia. Compromise was found. It does not reflect personal opinion and judgments (we all have our own opinion, but the page reflects the opinion of Russia), just facts.
St Petersburg link. You have returned the commercial link. This is an advertisement for visa assistance service. I also removed two news links. My link it is the official newspaper of Russian Goverment. This is a decree on e-visa for St.Petersburg. All links refer to this decree. Why duplicate information? Ajumbojet (talk) 21:21, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
I see your point and after reading more about it Crimea and the rest of Russia seem more similar than my first impression was. What do you think about a compromise adding back your note (which I shouldn't have removed in the first place) and having two citations for Saint Petersburg, one English and one Russian? I still think the color problem has to be fixed before the legends are combined. --Trialpears (talk) 21:51, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
It's okay for St.Petersburg. Thanks.
Your edit is not a compromise. I suggest: One color for Russia and Crimea on the map; for legend "Russia including Crimea"+the note. It will be the same for Russia and for Visa policy of Russia. I think articles about Russia should use the same style. Thanks.Ajumbojet (talk) 22:18, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Unless otherwise decided, I will change the map and legend within 48 hours. Thanks. Ajumbojet (talk) 23:00, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I would fully support that, but be very careful not to change it for other wikis since they may have to update their legends and need consensus as well. --Trialpears (talk) 23:16, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
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