Talk:University District, Kingston

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two links[edit]

there are two links that i believe should be added. User:72.38.139.247 / User:Jsp3970 (same person) seems to disagree.

the first, is a link to a tenant's resource page: http://www.jessandewen.ca/rentals/tenant_resources.html the tenant's resource page is on a site i run that offers a service, however the page in question is designed to inform tenant's of their rights with the hope that educated tenants will hold landlords to account.

the second, a link to the AMS run municipal affairs commission "golden cockroach" website: http://www.myams.org/mac/studenthousingcommittee in a similar fashion, this award is designed to bring slumlords and sub-par housing to the forefront.

i'm not really sure what happens next. i know what jsp is going to say but i welcome others input.

thanks. ewen Emackinnon 23:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The first link is to User:Emackinnon's personal website, which goes against Wikipedia:External links and is not allowed. The same page advertises his rental properties in Kingston. As per Wikipedia:External links "You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked." The second link is to a site that list an individual in a negative light, naming him as a slumlord. These links are POV and derogatory to the individual. No matter what an individual has done Wikipedia is not the place for this kind of thing. 72.38.139.247 00:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

POV[edit]

I came across this article via ANI, and this is looking more and more like an article of social commentary on what is otherwise a non-notable place. The language really needs to be cleaned up. Tenant rights or the lack of knowledge thereof has nothing to do with writing an encyclopedia article. Links aside, the weaseling needs to go, and there needs to be some assertion of notability. MSJapan 15:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

notable[edit]

MSJapan you are quite right, it is a rather non-notable place for just about everyone except those people who have lived there, which is why I couldn't figure out why anyone really cared what links there were. what would you propose as an "assertion of notability"?? The place is a student village, that's it... nothing really to assert.

i'll work on cleaning it up and making it more of a quality article.Emackinnon 15:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are specific notability guidelines here, but it is rather a matter of balance as well, because you need to consider the policies of verifiability and reliability of sources (click the links for more info). As for external links, Wikipedia has policies on that as well, located at WP:EL. It just may turn out that this place doesn't meet the qualifications for an article. MSJapan 23:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty much everything on that page is reliable and verifiable, just ask anyone who lives or who has lived there. I don't think anyone is disputing the facts. The links that are on the page currently are all in line with Wikipedia's linking policy. Thank you for sharing the notability guidelines. Clearly this place qualifies, just like any town or section of a large city does. Thanks for your advice. Emackinnon 15:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article Issues[edit]

This article needs a big clean up. "commonly referred to by students are 'slumlords'" I currently attended Queen's and I would not say this is a common phrase (I haven't heard it). "and the scent of marijuana is common" also this line is just ridiculous. I think this articles needs to be rewritten to address more the historic background.--J2000ca 23:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read the Queen's Journal? Have you discussed housing issues with other students? Many landlords are referred to as slumlords; hence the creation of the AMS Golden Cockroach Awards. Rather than criticize, as a current Queen's student and resident of the Ghetto why don't you offer up some higher quality content? 216.94.200.61 22:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, this article needs massive clean up; this area is not a Ghetto, it is a student village. While there are many reasons this term needs to be changed, the most poignant is that this area is not a ghetto. Property standards have increased significantly in the past five years, and it is time for students to reclaim this area and begin to ask more of their landlords and property owners. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.15.141.222 (talk) 16:41, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

there does seem to be some merit i think to clean up in the article/changes. However, the term ghetto is found in newspapers for the area when referring to the area with some continual press coverage of this every year for at least the last 5 years. The term village is also referred to already in the article. For now i think the article title and contents (pertaining to calling it a ghetto) reflects the secondary and tertairy sourcing available for itOttawa4ever (talk) 18:03, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notability[edit]

Why is the notability of this article being brought up again? Yes the article is in need of some work but the notability issue was decided a year ago here. Please remove the notability issue from the article. Jmackinn 07:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say that all we have to do is add a couple of the discussion's links to newspapers and committee meetings. Once those are in there, notability will be self-evident and we can take down the notice. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 01:13, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References are added, how do we removed the tags?? 24.226.50.171 22:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No they're not. You need multiple non-trivial reliable sources per WP:V and WP:RS. I'm far from convinced "Kingston student ghetto" is a term used outside the student community (5 Google hits, 3 of which are Wikipedia/mirrors?!) so let's see some references from at the very least the independent local newspaper. As far as I can see, you've made an article on an insignificant local issue. Many towns the world over have student ghettos; few if any get Wikipedia articles. --kingboyk (talk) 13:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And who made Kingboyk in charge of notability? Besides, he has a 'fail' at googling as that search term returns hundreds of links. Let's get off the notability and the "i have nothing better to do". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.189.227 (talk) 18:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neighbourhoods are notable; most Canadian cities have several articles about their neighbourhoods, and this one seems just as notable as any of those. If it's not getting enough Google hits, maybe we just have to change the name of the article to whatever the city and the newspapers call the neighbourhood. If it is getting enough hits, let's just add some references. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 08:46, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This neighborhoood in paticular is notable conisdering the press coverage it gets near homecoming accross candian media outlets pretty much everyyear. Im pretty sure the term student ghetto is the most commonly used for this area. But agreed, it could certaintly be made more reliable with other independednt sources. Ottawa4ever (talk) 14:27, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 January 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. Or histmerged actually because the article was improperly cut-and-paste moved while at RM. Jenks24 (talk) 07:00, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kingston student ghetto → University District, Kingston – The area was officially renamed to the “University District” by the City of Kingston, and is used to refer to the area whenever it’s referenced publicly. While it is important to recognize that the area is still colloquially referred to as the “Student Ghetto” by some, it isn’t the correct name for the area, nor this page. The title format follows other “University District” pages. YourmuniciPAL (talk) 04:48, 2 January 2016 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 04:19, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

support130.15.65.10 (talk) 22:24, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It appears that the commonname is still ghetto, which would take precedent over the 'official' name. Tiggerjay (talk) 01:18, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. "University District" Kingston is now substantially more common in Google News than "Student ghetto" Kingston.--Cúchullain ^t/c 18:09, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Kudos[edit]

Kudos to the great clean up an anon new editor did to the page; worthy of a authoritative stamp of approval. Serious matters though; there are notable pages out there that do highlight numerous concerns about the area (and criticisms) , but that for another editor in time to address for a balance view point. Ottawa4ever (talk) 17:17, 12 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]