Talk:Trews

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I ran into a reference to trews in a translation of tacitus’ histories 2.20 in 110CE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.129.56.253 (talk) 09:03, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish Tartan Trousers?[edit]

While tartan trews may have been a popular part of dress in Scotland at some point, trews DO NOT originate in Scotland. Records show the Irish wearing trews, usually made of yellow-dyed wool, possibly as early as the 12th century. In addition to allegorical evidence of the wearing of trews earlier, at least one Irish outfit containing trews survives from the 16th century (contemporary with their popularity in Scotland), the Kilcommon outfit. Despite that, this article depicts trews as a wholly Scottish form of dress, without so much a single reference to their use in Ireland. I have tagged this article as unbalanced until the Scot-centric tone is edited.

Distinction from Breeches?[edit]

This article left me confused. It describes the garment as: "form-fitting garments, similar to the footed hose of the Renaissance, from which they probably evolved. They could be cut as Knee-breeches or full length." It goes on to say that "Traditional trews are actually long hose. These hose came all the way up to the waist and were attached to a linen cloth (NB: These were not trousers). They were fastened at the lower leg, below the knee, by a garter"

These descriptions could easily apply to breeches of all kinds, which evolved from form-fitting hose/stockings and coupled below as various lengths (depending on style). To add to the confusion, the article notes that these are not trousers, yet they certainly seem to fit the very broad definition of trouser in the trouser article which includes breeches or all kinds in its definition (yes, the culottes and the sans-culottes together). What, specifically, is the distinction between trews and breeches other than being in Scotland? If there is none, and it is a kind of beeches what specifically distinguishes it from other kinds? TheCormac (talk) 16:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

This article seems to be about the very same garment which is detailed in the Truis article. I don't know enough to feel confident in doing so myself. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 02:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely agree! Anyone else feel differently? If no one objects, I can do it. - PKM 03:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, do! Incidentally, some of the text is copied from the end of the military history article in the external link Jezza 15:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reminder. Done, and if any of the text is still too close to the external link, let me know. I have added a footnote to the article. - PKM 18:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect reference[edit]

In the first paragraph the first reference states that "Trews is the origin of the word trousers.[1]" Unfortunately the reference does not state this.

We either need a new reference for this statement or it needs to be removed as erroneous. --Daunorubicin (talk) 12:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, I've removed the reference. Markb (talk) 11:31, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Material cutting pattern would add clarity[edit]

A deconstruction of the original trews showing the flat single piece of material and where it is sewn together would aid understanding of the garment's construction. Ralph Corderoy (talk) 10:26, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]