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Starting quarterback[edit]

Is what I did to the starting QB part kosher? Because the same was done with Kurt Warner, and I think it should work, I just don't know how to put it correctlyJohnnyRush10 01:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trent Green never was the offical starter for the Saint Louis Rams in during the 2000 season according to the Rams media guides printed from 2001 until the present. He was playing for the injured starter that season (Warner) and was still considered to be the back up. I tried to take out this false information, but one member keeps putting it back up. --Pinkkeith (talk) 17:03, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Starting games means he was a starter. It doesn't matter if it was because of injury.►Chris NelsonHolla! 17:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The reference you put up there is to his NFL stats. I don't see anything on there that says that he was the starter for the 2000 Rams. Just because he came in to replace an injured player means that he is a starter. A starter is the person who is a first string in the position, not just starting games in place of the injured first string player. The only time in Rams history that the franchise ever had two starters at quarterback was when Bob Waterfield and Norm Van Brocklin were playing. One player would play the first half of the game and the other player the second half of the game. That is also listed in all of the Rams media guides; they were both starters, i.e. first string players. --Pinkkeith (talk) 17:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For the purposes of the template and this page, Green was a starter. He started games for the Rams.►Chris NelsonHolla! 17:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is why wikipedia should not be used as a reference. If you want inaccuract information to be posted, then so be it. Yet, at least on the talk page I can state why he is not actually the 2000 Rams starter. --Pinkkeith (talk) 17:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You can state whatever you want. You don't have any special insight into the situation that I don't. I know Warner was the Rams' No. 1 quarterback in 2000. But I also know Green started due to injury, and that makes him a starting NFL quarterback.►Chris NelsonHolla! 17:21, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I never claimed that I did have any "special insight." I was pointing out where you can see the facts. There have been other quarterbacks that started a game or two in place of an injured quarterbacks in the history of the Rams, but they are not noticed the same way that Green is noticed on Wikipedia. --Pinkkeith (talk) 17:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Injury[edit]

I removed some speculation. Please wait for an official report before suggesting that it may be career threatening. There's no info to suggest that as of yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.156.233.10 (talk) 18:48, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Was Trent Green ever a starting QB for the Rams?[edit]

No one doubts that Trent Green started several games for the St. Louis Rams in 2000. What a couple of users are locking horns over (Ram-related pun intended) is whether or not he belongs in the list of Rams Starting QBs, since he was never the officially-designated full-time starter; he only started the games he did because of an injury to first-stringer Kurt Warner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmweber (talk • contribs) 20:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have to go with nelson on this on and say he was. RC-0722 communicator/kills 20:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, this is obvious. A starting player in football is one who starts a game, whether or not they are the first string. If a team that has locked up homefield advantage rests their star/first string players or if those players are out due to injury, whoever plays in that position first in a game is the starter instead of the star/first string player. That is why the NFL reports that Trent started 5 games for the Rams in 2000. GRBerry 22:58, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • All of the references cited so far has been the NFL player profile that shows that Green started at the quarterback position during 2000 for a few games. Yet, it doesn't state that Green was the 2000 Rams starting quarterback. That information can be found in the Rams Media Guides from the 2001 season to the present. Interestingly enough, if we were to assume that because you started a game during the season you are a starter for the team for that season, it does not stack up with other entries in this very Wikipedia. I will provide two examples out of many. First, in 1979 Pat Haden was the starter for the Rams, but he broke his finger and Vince Ferragamo took over at quarterback and took them all the way to the Superbowl. Yet, the page says that Haden was the starting quarterback for the Rams in '79. Which according to the Rams Media Guide is correct. Second example is the 2007 season. Marc Bulger had a concussion and Gus Frerotte started three games during the 2007 season [1]. Yet, for some reason Marc Bulger is listed as the starting quarterback for the season. Which, I believe is correct. The starting quarterback for a team is not always the person who starts a game during that season. It is the quarterback who is assigned as the first string quarterback on the offical roster. --Pinkkeith (talk) 15:15, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'd agree that Green should not be listed as the designated starting quarterback. Ok, you can ignore me as I'm from the UK :p From my limited understanding, all NFL teams have published depth charts. Now, from my viewpoint, if you say 'who was the starting in quarterback in year X', you're not asking about who the starting quarterback was for individual games - rather, the QB the team designated as the official starter - who would only not start when benched through form, injury, suspension... In that instance, I'd thus say a compromise would be to list that Green started X games in relief of injured starter... does that sound reasonable? That then reflects the fact that Green was, in the clubs view, the backup, that he did start games in replacement of the regular starter. Minkythecat (talk) 11:36, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All this media guide stuff is nonsense. Green started games for the Rams, hence he was the starter. The reason why is irrelevant.►Chris NelsonHolla! 04:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why you won't even compromise on this issue. I think it is nonsense to use information from the NFL as verification if Green was a starter or not. If you wanted to know who the starter for the Rams is you wouldn't ask Roger Goodell yo would ask Scott Linehan. It is the franchise that determines who is and is not a starter not the league. If you are going to define the starter as someone who starts a game instead of someone who is the first string player (as it is in every other sport) then we will have to go back and rewrite all of the historical information for the Rams starting quarterbacks and I'm sure for other franchises as well. --Pinkkeith (talk) 11:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Third opinion[edit]

I saw that there's a third opinion out for this page. Is this still an issue? If it is, I'd say the solution is to use as many reliable sources as you can. If there are sources that contradict each other, then list both and state as such. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 02:10, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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