Talk:Tokugawa Yoshinobu

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death dates[edit]

Two different dates for his death are given.

Reworking[edit]

This article needs serious reworking; there are major errors and chronological inconsistencies throughout. For my part, I'll attempt to make some degree of corrections, and add sources.-Tadakuni 22:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done for now. Anyone care to review? -Tadakuni 02:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Request:Elaborate on Edo Castle[edit]

It says on Tokugawa_Yoshinobu#Shogun_Yoshinobu_.281866.29 "he would never set foot in Edo Castle as shogun". Does that mean he couldn't, wouldn't or never had a chance to? Is there a special signifigance between Yoshinobu and Edo Castle or is there some special signifigance between shogun and Edo Castle (such traditional ceremonies or is Edo Castle the traditional place where the shogun would spend most of his life)? Was his tenure so short that he never really had time to visit the castle as shogun or did he decide himself that he should not visit the castle as shogun? ~ R.T.G 16:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aw ~ R.T.G 04:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Edo castle was the seat of the shogunate. i can't vouch for the truthfulness of the statement offhand, but if he actually never was in edo castle during his rather brief tenure as shogun, the irony is considerable. Lx 121 (talk) 07:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Succession box[edit]

An interested editor "tweaked" the succession boxes in articles about the 15 Tokugawa shoguns; and the change became a thread topic at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Tokugawa shoguns. Although a corollary thread topic was posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty#Japanese shoguns, no comments or suggestions were elicited.

Aumnamahashiva substituted "regnal" succession boxes; and an plausible rationale for those edits was offered, focusing primarily on the functional sense in which the Tokugawas were hereditary autocrats. In contrast was an argument that the regnal succession box is, by definition, misapplied. Although the terms "reign" and "rule" are conventionally used by scholars, neither the Tokugawa, the Ashikaga, the Hōjō nor the Minamoto shoguns were "royalty" as that term is defined in Japanese history and culture.

Participation in this thread was limited, but I construed it as sufficient justification to restore the previous (non-regnal) succession box. This explanation and the links to soon-to-be-archived threads may prove to be helpful in the future? --Tenmei (talk) 14:50, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Conflicting accounts in Boshin War and Tokugawa Yoshinobu articles[edit]

There is a need to clear up conflicting accounts of the start of the war in the Boshin War and Tokugawa Yoshinobu articles. The Boshin War article states three times that Yoshinobu planned to attack or seize the emperor's court at Kyoto, and that his forces attacked the forces of Chōshū and Satsuma. The Tokugawa Yoshinobu article states that his troops were only sent to ensure that Chōshū and Satsuma forces did not prevent his message of protest being delivered to the emperor, and that his forces were refused entry and then attacked by Satsuma and Chōshū troops. Unless one of these versions is purely an eccentric fringe theory, then both versions need to appear in both articles, due to WP:NPOV. If one of them is fringe (something which I'm in no position to decide), then the non-fringe version needs to appear in both articles. Tlhslobus (talk) 11:31, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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