Talk:Tim McCarver

And Yet More Bias

It's hard to accept that the amount of negativity in this article meets the NPOV requirement Wikipedia holds. Does McCarver make mistakes? Absolutely. Does he call players by their parents (former players) names? Absolutely. Anyone who hasn't experienced this firsthand hasn't reached 40 yet... Does he do as good a job now as he did twenty years ago? Probably not... who among us does? Sports commentators are always lightning rods for criticism (see: Cosell, Michaels, O'Brien, someone here even posted from a site called 'firejoemorgan'... of all people), but to crucify McCarver for on air gaffes while simultaneously admitting he has covered playoff baseball for 30 years is ludicrous. Yes, he makes mistakes. Does he make more than others? I don't think so. We get that some people don't like McCarver. If neutral (IE: non Yankee fans) observers overwhelmingly feel he is biased, it could be reported. But the fact that "Most Yankee fans think he's biased against them" does not pass the smell test. If it did, the fact that 26 of us happen to think Joe Morgan does a great job partnering Jon Miller would mean that this site has a bias against him... There are bigger things to worry about than a sports commentator who misprounounces names... Harry Caray did it for 20 years and fans loved him all the same. Posthocergopropterhoc 20:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure why it's ludicrous to speak of McCarver's repeated mistakes while "admitting" that he's been covering baseball for 30 years. The fact that he's experienced doesn't mean that he doesn't have his problems. Of course McCarver or any public figure who is paid to express his opinion is a lightning rod. I agree that there's no need for a bias section, because I've never noticed any particular bias other than that he loves Derek Jeter. He's clearly not alone in his love of Derek Jeter, and I wouldn't say that constitutes any sort of bias. But to ignore his repeated miscues is to misinform the reader. Each announcer has his foibles, and McCarver's include a penchant for spoonerisms and a tendency to state as fact things that aren't in fact true. It's hard to do an objective study, but I'd say that it's fairly clear he makes more than his fair share of mistakes in this area. Since the information in the "criticisms" section is well-documented, I'm not seeing the rationale for taking it out. It's not as if he didn't say these things. McCarver (like Morgan) attracts more criticism than others because he has more exposure, yes, but he also attracts more than others because (like Morgan) he has a greater tendency to make an idiot out of himself in public than, say, Bob Costas or Jon Miller or any of a number of other people. If it's NPOV to include his mistakes, then what you have is NPOV causing articles to be advertisements for famous people -- and that's what they have publicists for. Where Anne hath a will, Anne Hathaway. 02:30, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

We can dance around this subject endlessly with regard to McCarver or any other public figure. Since NPOV is the standard, personal views should not be included in the article (that's one of the reasons discussion pages exist). Do you really mean to say he "attracts more criticism because he has a greater tendency to make an idiot out of himself in public" ...and then quote NPOV concerns?

I didn't say it's NPOV to include some McCarver mistakes, the point is that the article (at that time) included a significant amount of material - greater than the amount of material that presented facts about McCarver - which appeared solely to justify a user or users personal dislike of the man. My point was that that kind of thing is a personal view. What you or I think about the man personally is irrelevant to an encyclopedia entry. Reference could be made to certain infamous/notable mistakes, but to list them ad nauseum is simply an effort to discredit the subject's abilities. (See past edits on the current US President for more examples). If Wikipedia is to remain an online encyclopedia, personal views must be kept off the article page. If people want to rubbish the subject of any article, they can start their own "ihate(insert name here).org" site.

I see that another user has removed most of the 'gaffes' that were listed on the main page. The article is now more or less NPOV in my opinion. Would you agree? It neither glorifies the man nor demeans him, just as an encyclopedia article should & must. Posthocergopropterhoc 22:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest adding his lack of understanding advanced statistics in baseball. For example, he referred to Adrian Gonzalez as the "hands down" 1st half AL MVP during the 2011 All Star Game. Jose Bautista was by far the highest rated player in WAR and wOBA at the break. I am too lazy to do all of the leg work to add this section, but I believe someone should do it. IMO it is the most common complaint of McCarver, b/c he never mentions the changes that have occurred in MLB over the last 15 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.65.200.19 (talk) 06:48, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

WAR is complete bullshit. Right now Fangraphs WAR has Robinson Cano as teh *sixth* best 2B in baseball. That's ludicrous. "Advanced statistics" are seriously overrated ad stats geeks are ruining baseball. It's a game played by men, not equations. Having said that, Tim McCarver sucks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.19.80 (talk) 08:44, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Bias

The issue of bias has been brought up by several different editors. At this point, it is time to include at least a sentence or two on the subject. Since this is Tim's 'time of year, we shouldn't wait long before adding the appropriate language. Thoughts? Coffeemilk 05:54, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't know one single big Yankee fan who doesn't hate McCarver and think he's biased against the Yankees. Why not mention this, too? Tim 4:49 Oct. 29 2005 UTC.

Then all the "big yankee fans" you know are retarded because he is clearly biased against whomever the yankees are playing.Zzz345zzz

It speaks to the subjective nature of the section. It should be removed. 1 Tim 5:30 Oct. 11, 2006

Last World Series Player To Steal Home Plate

Anyone know if that is still true? 71.194.6.238 03:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Stupid Statements

Every time he opens his mouth he makes a stupid remark....how the hell could Fox ar anyone else his this clown?

Mark Wahlberg fastball

Actually, McCarver said something along the lines of Mark Wohlberg, sounding more like a combination of the last names of Mark Wahlberg and Mark Wohlers. I heard it, and others have reported it too, so it might be worth mentioning in the article. -Ramrod? 00:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Someone should add that Mark Wahlberg's name is not Wohlberg, as McCarver spoke it. That is a detail that makes his gaffe even more wrong. And more awesome. Terriblefriend 22:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

McCarver and Carlton deaths, 60 feet, 6 inches

The para needs a source, but what the heck...I laughed so hard, I almost blew an artery...let it go.... hahahahaha Luigibob 13:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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Teapot Dome

I'm removing any mention of that, seeing as it occurred about 20 years before he was born. Counterfit 06:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I also removed the line "Quite often after games he has broadcast, he can be seen outside in stadium parking lots, wandering with a dazed/confused look on his face. He will then ask passersby if they have seen his car. He tends to forget where he has parked because he is an old deuche." I'm pretty sure that doesn't follow the BoLP policy. Also, douche is spelled wrong. Counterfit 07:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Announced Retirement

He announced his retirement from baseball after the 2013 season on March 27, 2013, not 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.34.211 (talk) 20:21, 27 March 2013 (UTC)