Talk:Throwing Muses/Archive 1

Archive 1

Untitled

Apparently Kristin Hersh makes the distinction that the first album is untitled, and that the 2003 album is titled "Throwing Muses." Check the official web site. heidimo 18:58, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Whoops--didn't read the talk page before editing. Still...if the record company that released the album thinks it's called Throwing Muses, isn't that kind of the name? And even if the label that released it is wrong and the album technically has no name, doesn't the Wikipedia naming convention indicate that we should call it by the name everyone calls it, which is Throwing Muses? (The answer to that question may be different for the discography and the eventual album article.)

If someone reverts, please take the italics away from Untitled--the album is definitely not titled Untitled. Nareek 01:32, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

The album is given in all sources as Throwing Muses, so that is what we use on Wikipedia. If there is a source for the comment that "Kristin Hersh makes the distinction that the first album is untitled", then that could be mentioned within the article, but is not by itself sufficient to override the common and official usage, nor what reader's would expect to see, and look for. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 23:04, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

More to say here

There is a lot more to say about Throwing Muses than has been included in this article thus far. While I have not had time to attend to it, I hope those who are familiar with the group's work will contribute to the article. Emerman 22:06, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I agree! This article needs to be expanded. I don't know a lot about the band (why I'm here to begin with Omarcheeseboro (talk) 01:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC))

Stepsisters?

In the first line of the early history section, Donelly is referred to as Hersh's stepsister. Aren't they half sisters? I've always heard them referred to as such. bobbyghanouj (talk) 05:07, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

According to [1] (a Rolling Stone article from 1995): 'At the home of her mother, a teacher of the learning disabled whom Hersh describes as "probably the smartest person I know," Hersh found her future band. It happened when her mom married the father of Tanya Donelly, Hersh's best friend at school.' -- Foetusized (talk) 11:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

There seems to be conflicting information on this. In the situation described in the Rolling Stone article, it sounds like they are stepsisters, but it is also possible that the subjects are still half sisters and did not live together until their parents married. I have seen this article before and wondered about it. Both allmusic and rhapsody refer to the girls as half sisters. I don't know what to think. bobbyghanouj (talk) 23:16, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Allmusic says stepsisters here: [2]. Several official sources (such as [3] [4] [5]) say stepsisters. Your idea about their being both stepsisters and half-sisters fails Occam's Razor; it is much much more likely that some biographers got the facts wrong -- Foetusized (talk) 01:59, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I don't know about Occam's Razor; I was just pointing out that the quote didn't actually state that they were stepsisters. There seem to be just as many "official" sources that say half sisters. [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] Realistically, if biographers got the facts wrong, I find it much more likely that they substituted "stepsisters" for "half sisters", not the other way around. Stepsisters is a more widely recognized term; I don't think writers would throw in the term half sisters in place of stepsisters. However, I do find it plausible that some might not be familiar with the concept of half sisters, and mistakenly use stepsisters as a substitute term. Just my opinion, of course.bobbyghanouj (talk) 03:42, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

None of your "official" sources have any business relationship with Hersh nor Donelly (and several are using each other as sources for the misinformation); the links I gave are from their record labels, who are more likely to get the facts about their artists correct. The quote from Rolling Stone goes into the details of how they became stepsisters, it doesn't just state that they are stepsisters, but explains how it came about. -- Foetusized (talk) 18:00, 6 September 2008 (UTC)